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I really don’t like this positioning of wired data transfer as being considered a “pro” feature though. It’s an absolutely basic feature, a core function of the iPhone that’s been there since launch. It was something that everyone did, and everyone HAD to do at a point. Have we as a society devolved and become so technologically inept that what used to be a basic procedure - already made so simple even children and the elderly could routinely do it - is now seen as “advanced” and “pro level” device usage?
Remember when, between 2010 when the original iPad was released in about 2015, Apple kept using the phrase “post PC era”?
They use that phrase over and over and over again for a good several years. Steve started it, but Tim and Company continued it for several years on.
And while they were talking about this “post PC era”, they were doing things like introducing Apple Music so you never have to connect your phone to a computer and synchronize your music, iTunes Wi-Fi backup so you never had to connect your phone to a computer physically through a cable, iCloud backup, so you literally never had to use a computer, and automatic on device set up instead of going through iTunes.
This is no longer their goal, this is their reality.
We live in a post PC era, where the vast majority of people use phones and tablets as their main computers.
It’s been talked about for a while, but there are people growing up right now who have absolutely no idea how to use a traditional computer file system because everyone just uses phones and tablets.
Of course in 2023 no one is connecting an iPhone to a computer, unless they have a very niche reason to do so, like RAW photography transport or ProRes video importing.
The majority of people do nothing like that, even the majority with “pro” phones.
so yes, for all practical matters, things like file transfers is a feature that easily can be targeted at no one, except for the most demanding of customers.
Remember, Apple sells 220 million or so phones every year. They sell about 20 Million traditional McIntosh computers.
There’s a big difference in the number of people who would actually use that transfer speed, and the number of people who never connect their phone to anything in its life other than to charge.
 
Whilst I know that Apple is a business and hence needs to make money selling pro upgrades, cords, and dongles…

It still really seems bizarre to me that being so anti-consumer as to put USB-2 cables in the box with a USB-3 device was something that seemed like a sound business decision.

I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised if numerous governments decided that was false advertising and demanded a recall.

It also just completely invalidates a green policy they are a pains to advertise with 15 minute videos in a keynote.

Meanwhile they are tarnishing their brand all over tech enthusiast circles.

Over some chump change to their bottom line??
Does Samsung include a usb 3 cable? Does Google? I dint think so.
 
I’m not even referring to the speed of data transfer here. I’m referring to the act of data transfer itself. It seems to have this connotation, at least here on MacRumors, as some kind of computer whiz feature. Cue the techno music and green binary flashing all over the screen everytime someone plugs their iPhone into a computer
Again, post PC era.
Steve Jobs literally spent about 20 minutes talking about moving the digital hub from your computer to the cloud back in 2011, 12 years later and that’s what everyone does.
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I’m not even referring to the speed of data transfer here. I’m referring to the act of data transfer itself. It seems to have this connotation, at least here on MacRumors, as some kind of computer whiz feature. Cue the techno music and green binary flashing all over the screen everytime someone plugs their iPhone into a computer
Thats not how I interpret the comments; most of them are saying (correctly) that the majority of people use a cable for charging not data transfer to a computer. And the majority of people who do, aren’t transferring enough data for the speed different to be a burden. Regardless, USB3.0 isn’t a Pro feature, it’s just a feature of two phones using the the new chip. There are other features, like hardware ray tracing, which are only available with the new chip.

These two need USB 3.0
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I'm sorry but there is no data to back up the presumption that Apple limited the iPhone 15 Pro to 4K display support due to thermal management.
Have you tried recording 4k video on your phone with WiFi and Bluetooth on for 60-90min or played a triple a game for the same duration? When you push your iPhone to the max it gets hot.
 
I'm tech stupid, does the cable (2.0 vs 3.2) affect charging speeds or only transfer speeds?

For battery health, does it matter if I charge with a cable vs charging with MagSafe?
 
🥰I am a big advocate of switching to USB-C but the standard is a mess.

With Lightning if you bought a certified cable it would charge at full speed and albeit it would only do USB 2.0 that was it.

With USB-C there's like 5 different standards, different charging speeds, different transfer speeds. It's a mess.
Exaggerated argument.

Like with any piece of tech, don't buy $0.80 cables from Aliexpress.

Buy any cables in the top ten listings on amazon and you will be fine. I promise.
 
🤣 Typical Apple. Force iPhone 15 Pro and Pro Max users to buy a higher spec USB cable to get faster USB transfers speeds.

How is that good for the environment Apple claims they care so much about?
Actually caring about the environment and caring about the optics of caring about the environment are two very different things. Apple is the most valuable/successful company by nearly all shareholder metrics, so it is no surprise it cares only, strictly about shareholder value. Packaged in a nice green-washed package, of course.
 
This whole thread highlights how insulated the Apple user base was from the nightmare of the evolving USB 3 spec. Apple pioneered USB use with the iMac. They helped mainstream the standard with USB 2 and 3.0. When the USB-C port was introduced Apple had a huge role in designing and introducing it, but they held back on putting it everywhere, namely reserving it for host computers (Macs). As USB 3 forked into separate data and cabling/port standards, Apple stuck with Lightning over USB 2 for peripherals and promoted ThunderBolt, which they built with Intel as a premium feature and provided port compatibility with USB-C. That extended to the M2 Macs that have TB4/USB4 support, which are both bridges to TB5/USB4 v2.

USB3 is after many years a mature spec with no further revisions. Apple finally put it on an iPhone well after the dust settled. As stodgy as that sounds I agree with it. Apple mostly avoided the last near-decade of USB confusion only for it to come back to a niche of prospective iPhone 15 buyers. If people care that much about data speed over a cable, wait for the first USB 4 phone or for Apple to drop an M chip in an iPhone, which should include TB. The latter isn’t likely because there’s little business justification for it. USB 4 is mostly a wrapper for USB 3.2, and you don’t see many USB 4 products in the market. USB 4v2 was only recently introduced, so the standards cycle continues. It takes time. Apple’s moves regarding USB show that it will err on the side of broad compatibility over everything else, skipping over the intermediate steps.
This doesn't add up: Apple has somehow managed the alleged consumer confusion you're using an excuse for their protection of the Lightning franchise (at the consumer's cost financially and function-wise) in their iPad and Mac lines but not the iPhone line?

Sorry, that's just mental gymnastics to get around the much more stark reality: Apple got pushed by EU regulators and waited it out because Lightning/MFI was incredibly lucrative and profitable for both them and accessory partners until absolutely forced by a government entity to stop stalling innovation (the irony that the free market and government played reversed roles from the stereotypes of free market = innovative and government = anti-innovation).

Although still calling USB-C "innovation" is pathetic in and of itself...which further adds to the ridiculousness of defending the final switch actually requiring government intervention.
 
I really don’t like this positioning of wired data transfer as being considered a “pro” feature though. It’s an absolutely basic feature, a core function of the iPhone that’s been there since launch. It was something that everyone did, and everyone HAD to do at a point. Have we as a society devolved and become so technologically inept that what used to be a basic procedure - already made so simple even children and the elderly could routinely do it - is now seen as “advanced” and “pro level” device usage?
It’s not a Professional feature, it’s simply a feature of the new chip. If you want it in the non-Pro iPhones, wait a year for them to get the A17.
 
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So people who buy a $1K+ Pro model and use the cable that came with it will be crippled on speed, possibly without even knowing it? Jesus, Apple, just how cheap are you? That's so awful.
they know you will still buy it lol
 
in the article the alterniative to the usb-c usb2.0 is a 69USD thunderbolt 4 usb-c.

I hope cheap usb-c usb3.2 also works, I have dozens at home

Incredible they included a cable taht is going to end in a drawer for many pro users, wasting resources for the planet, while including a 3.2 usb would cost 0,001 cnts more
 
This doesn't add up: Apple has somehow managed the alleged consumer confusion you're using an excuse for their protection of the Lightning franchise (at the consumer's cost financially and function-wise) in their iPad and Mac lines but not the iPhone line?

Sorry, that's just mental gymnastics to get around the much more stark reality: Apple got pushed by EU regulators and waited it out because Lightning/MFI was incredibly lucrative and profitable for both them and accessory partners until absolutely forced by a government entity to stop stalling innovation (the irony that the free market and government played reversed roles from the stereotypes of free market = innovative and government = anti-innovation).

Although still calling USB-C "innovation" is pathetic in and of itself...which further adds to the ridiculousness of defending the final switch actually requiring government intervention.
Did Lightning create a near-monopoly that Apple leveraged and forced the EU to act? Was USB 3 a huge mess? Do I still have to have an extra Lightning cable on hand when I visit family just in case? Yes on all counts. Making competitive market decisions doesn’t automatically translate into antitrust behavior. Apple thought that by now the iPhone would be portless. They still can’t force that on the world yet. Oh well.
 
I see you’re expressing your support by voting with your wallet.
This comment is moronic and always has been. No one simply stops supporting all the companies they dont like. If they say they do they are lying. Ive said a million times, I love Apple's products but I despise the company, especially its senior leadership.
 
Exaggerated argument.

Like with any piece of tech, don't buy $0.80 cables from Aliexpress.

Buy any cables in the top ten listings on amazon and you will be fine. I promise.

Nonsense reply.

If you buy a top 10 cable from Amazon it is unlikely to have both maximum charging speeds and maximum transfer speeds. At least with Lightning it was both.
 
Again, post PC era.
Steve Jobs literally spent about 20 minutes talking about moving the digital hub from your computer to the cloud back in 2011, 12 years later and that’s what everyone does.
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2011:
He also criticized himself and apple and admitted to making a mistake and not doing a product well. You'll never see that from Tim Crook or his cronies. They literally think Apple is an infallible religion.
 
Did Lightning create a near-monopoly that Apple leveraged and forced the EU to act? Was USB 3 a huge mess? Do I still have to have an extra Lightning cable on hand when I visit family just in case? Yes on all counts. Making competitive market decisions doesn’t automatically translate into antitrust behavior. Apple thought that by now the iPhone would be portless. They still can’t force that on the world yet. Oh well.
Anti-Trust and Anti-Consumer are quite different. The EU's action was not made using anti-trust constructs.

The portless comment is interesting, because that may actually involve use of anti-trust legislation (which are similar but also very different in some ways in the US vs EU), because the amount (and ease) of walled gardening possible in wireless protocols is quite different (having to add a hardware device, certification program, supply chain, etc is a major impediment to creating a proprietary system like MFI/Lightning, but a proprietary wireless protocol [or a crippled one] is as simple as a few bits or walling off of access to a PKI system).

Why do you need to retain Lightning cables if you have no Lightning devices? You certainly can elect to, and I just packaged up over 100 Lightning cables/dongles/devices for friends not upgrading to come get, but bringing in "I have to do this for my family" is not actually about the tech or the market, it's your choice with family, I mean, why do you have to be the family cable stash.provider? That's a red herring that is not at all related to the reality.
 
So people who buy a $1K+ Pro model and use the cable that came with it will be crippled on speed, possibly without even knowing it? Jesus, Apple, just how cheap are you? That's so awful.

professional people who need high transfer speeds, already knows that USB cables has different capabilities.

Only technical people who doesn't use the iPhone Pro for income will complain since they believe they are entitled to get the best of everything.
 
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