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i don't see what all the fuss is about the 3GS?

Another crappy camera not inline with what every other manufacturer is doing. where's the 5MP auto focus and flash?

Poor quality video recording VGA christ the Nokia N95 shoots perfect video and that has been out since the iPhone 1!!!!!

A compass? WTF!??? Really usefull.

More storage capacity? Not bothered really.

I'll stick to my 3G use the new OS 3.0 which will give me everything I need, until Apple decide to stick in a 5MP Carl Zeiss Lens and decent video recording capabilities.


BTW: o2 tethering option? BLOWS! cheaper to get a dongle and then you can use the phone at the same time!
 
i don't see what all the fuss is about the 3GS?

Another crappy camera not inline with what every other manufacturer is doing. where's the 5MP auto focus and flash?

Poor quality video recording VGA christ the Nokia N95 shoots perfect video and that has been out since the iPhone 1!!!!!

A compass? WTF!??? Really usefull.

More storage capacity? Not bothered really.

I'll stick to my 3G use the new OS 3.0 which will give me everything I need, until Apple decide to stick in a 5MP Carl Zeiss Lens and decent video recording capabilities.


BTW: o2 tethering option? BLOWS! cheaper to get a dongle and then you can use the phone at the same time!

Shut! we want to upgrade, e've been there from the start...
 
call me what you want but i was just on Twitter and people are urging them to tailor this letter and to sent to o2 customer complaints:

Dear Sirs,

O2 phone number: <insert info>

Account holder: <insert info>
I write today to complain about the shocking news, as reported in The Daily Telegraph, that you are asking loyal high-value iPhone customers this year to pay to get out of their current contracts if they want to upgrade to the iPhone 3GS. I pay £44.05 every month and am 11 months into my 18-month contract. I was a new customer for O2 when I took out the iPhone 3G, having switched from Orange, just for the iPhone 3G. I am free of my contract in January. I have been told by your customer service staff today that you want £360 from me even if I am prepared to take out a 24-month contract for the new iPhone 3GS 16Gb. Then you want me to purchase a phone which is extortionately overpriced in comparison to the US. This is profiteering in it's most consumer unfriendly form.

This is a disgusting way to treat your very best, most profitable personal mobile phone customers. It is also unfair because you offered owners of the original iPhone the opportunity to upgrade after one year to the iPhone 3G without demanding any get-out-of-contract fee from them and further more according to your Twitter page only certain customers are eligible for any kind of discounted upgrade which I presume are business customers, the ones who pay even more, its becoming quite clear that your image as a company which cares is rapidly disappearing.

Unless this policy changes within a matter of days, in response not only to complaints like this one from myself but also no doubt from many other good customers, and in response to the huge groundswell of negative publicity for O2 currently being generated in the media and on social networks like Twitter(the hashtag #o2fail is being widely used) and Facebook, then I and many other customers will no doubt decide that this greedy, grossly unfair move against us is one smack too many.

Your Twitter page has handled this matter promptly which they are due credit for. But how the tariffs and pricing was published there a lot faster than your old site was a big mistake which you are now paying for publicly. The Twitter page murdered your companies reputation while the majority of your colleagues in the call centers knew nothing about the tariffs and policy.
Having spoken to two different O2 call handlers today it is evident they still do not know what the policies are. Firstly I was told there was no way what so ever to upgrade which is untrue. Secondly i was later told that I could upgrade for free, then I was put on hold for the handler to come back and rectify her mistake.

I will most certainly end my dealings with O2 come the end of my contract unless this policy changes, as soon as I am able to do so. You will lose someone after 18 months when you could potentially, had you been fairer, after only 12 months signed me up to stay with you for another two years—or longer, if you were to learn the lesson and promise to all iPhone customers that in future they will be able to upgrade whether in contract at the time a new iPhone is released to market, or not. O2 are set to lose a lot of customers due to the policy of upgrades with iPhone and the fact it is now obvious Apple will update its hardware every year, yet you will not allow customers to take out a 12 month contract which will appease everyone, especially the customer who matters who can take benefit of any new hardware.

As I can not end my contract without charge I am seriously considering lowering my tariff to the next lower one, as stipulated in the terms and conditions.

May I also add the Tethering charges are a absolute farce, especially for customers like myself who may only tether rarely, yet I need a £15 bolt on to do so? Where is this unlimited data we were all promised, or is it the fair usage ploy which will be used to answer that?

Furthermore I have been advised by customer services that your staff on the phones are sometimes advised to monitor for reports from customers on specific issues, and to forward those on to higher levels within O2. But I was advised that customer service staff have yet to be told to pass forward any complaints with regard to iPhone 3GS upgrade policy. This is contemptible. ALL complaints with regard to this matter should be forwarded to the policy makers, so that they might then learn from them and change policy in response.

I have been promised a reply to this complaint within 5 working days. However, if many other current iPhone customers of equal high value feel as betrayed and done over as I do, then I suspect you will soon be overwhelmed both on the customer service helpline and in terms of email and letters complaints volume.

I trust O2 will listen to its most high-value customers and reverse this stupid, short-sighted policy within days, if not hours. You may get new customers with this insane policy but you will not keep many of your old ones who have paid you significant sums for many months now and will stop doing so as soon as they can unless you change track, now.

I look forward to your response, answering all my questions.

Sincerely
 
i don't see what all the fuss is about the 3GS?

Another crappy camera not inline with what every other manufacturer is doing. where's the 5MP auto focus and flash?

Poor quality video recording VGA christ the Nokia N95 shoots perfect video and that has been out since the iPhone 1!!!!!

A compass? WTF!??? Really usefull.

More storage capacity? Not bothered really.

I'll stick to my 3G use the new OS 3.0 which will give me everything I need, until Apple decide to stick in a 5MP Carl Zeiss Lens and decent video recording capabilities.


BTW: o2 tethering option? BLOWS! cheaper to get a dongle and then you can use the phone at the same time!

Your not Bothered about the Storage, but my 3G 16Gb has been full since i got it, so 32Gb will give me some Space :D

Thats the main reason im upgrading, other than the significantly better camera, and faster CPU and GPU.
 
Utter crap, this is hardly an improvement on the iPhone 3G (I mean it looks the same wtf!) and they are charging more. Apple have really shot themselves in the foot here, who is going to buy this phone, not many is the answer. The next iPhone better be to the level 3G gave us. I'm shocked at Apple's mediocre marketing here in fact. 32Gb price is utter ****
 
Seems that this is also affecting the younger generations - I'm 13 and my dad promised me the iPhone 3G S as a late birthday present. I've been waiting weeks, and now he wont get me one as the price is too high...

Utter ********. Nice one O2 :(
 
your all crazy,

last year o2 knew that there would be a higher uptake of the 3g than the first gen that's why they allowed early upgrades for all you kiddy apple fanboys, patience is a virtue. Those that waited to get the 3G where smart those that miss this one and wait for the next release will be even smarter.

For the minor hardware improvements you really should wait. Next June will be the interesting one!

You can bitch and moan and do as many petitions, tweets whatever as you like NOTHING will change o2 are a business, bottom line. They are in the business of making money not fulfilling your technological wet dreams!
 
Your not Bothered about the Storage, but my 3G 16Gb has been full since i got it, so 32Gb will give me some Space :D

Thats the main reason im upgrading, other than the significantly better camera, and faster CPU and GPU.

space well I can't argue with that but the camera will not be a massive improvement and CPU/GPU will only be noticed if your playing games all the time, and if you are then I'm wasting my breath even trying to talk to you.:eek:
 
call me what you want but i was just on Twitter and people are urging them to tailor this letter and to sent to o2 customer complaints:

Dear Sirs,

O2 phone number: <insert info>

Account holder: <insert info>
I write today to complain about the shocking news, as reported in The Daily Telegraph, that you are asking loyal high-value iPhone customers this year to pay to get out of their current contracts if they want to upgrade to the iPhone 3GS. I pay £44.05 every month and am 11 months into my 18-month contract. I was a new customer for O2 when I took out the iPhone 3G, having switched from Orange, just for the iPhone 3G. I am free of my contract in January. I have been told by your customer service staff today that you want £360 from me even if I am prepared to take out a 24-month contract for the new iPhone 3GS 16Gb. Then you want me to purchase a phone which is extortionately overpriced in comparison to the US. This is profiteering in it's most consumer unfriendly form.

This is a disgusting way to treat your very best, most profitable personal mobile phone customers. It is also unfair because you offered owners of the original iPhone the opportunity to upgrade after one year to the iPhone 3G without demanding any get-out-of-contract fee from them and further more according to your Twitter page only certain customers are eligible for any kind of discounted upgrade which I presume are business customers, the ones who pay even more, its becoming quite clear that your image as a company which cares is rapidly disappearing.

Unless this policy changes within a matter of days, in response not only to complaints like this one from myself but also no doubt from many other good customers, and in response to the huge groundswell of negative publicity for O2 currently being generated in the media and on social networks like Twitter(the hashtag #o2fail is being widely used) and Facebook, then I and many other customers will no doubt decide that this greedy, grossly unfair move against us is one smack too many.

Your Twitter page has handled this matter promptly which they are due credit for. But how the tariffs and pricing was published there a lot faster than your old site was a big mistake which you are now paying for publicly. The Twitter page murdered your companies reputation while the majority of your colleagues in the call centers knew nothing about the tariffs and policy.
Having spoken to two different O2 call handlers today it is evident they still do not know what the policies are. Firstly I was told there was no way what so ever to upgrade which is untrue. Secondly i was later told that I could upgrade for free, then I was put on hold for the handler to come back and rectify her mistake.

I will most certainly end my dealings with O2 come the end of my contract unless this policy changes, as soon as I am able to do so. You will lose someone after 18 months when you could potentially, had you been fairer, after only 12 months signed me up to stay with you for another two years—or longer, if you were to learn the lesson and promise to all iPhone customers that in future they will be able to upgrade whether in contract at the time a new iPhone is released to market, or not. O2 are set to lose a lot of customers due to the policy of upgrades with iPhone and the fact it is now obvious Apple will update its hardware every year, yet you will not allow customers to take out a 12 month contract which will appease everyone, especially the customer who matters who can take benefit of any new hardware.

As I can not end my contract without charge I am seriously considering lowering my tariff to the next lower one, as stipulated in the terms and conditions.

May I also add the Tethering charges are a absolute farce, especially for customers like myself who may only tether rarely, yet I need a £15 bolt on to do so? Where is this unlimited data we were all promised, or is it the fair usage ploy which will be used to answer that?

Furthermore I have been advised by customer services that your staff on the phones are sometimes advised to monitor for reports from customers on specific issues, and to forward those on to higher levels within O2. But I was advised that customer service staff have yet to be told to pass forward any complaints with regard to iPhone 3GS upgrade policy. This is contemptible. ALL complaints with regard to this matter should be forwarded to the policy makers, so that they might then learn from them and change policy in response.

I have been promised a reply to this complaint within 5 working days. However, if many other current iPhone customers of equal high value feel as betrayed and done over as I do, then I suspect you will soon be overwhelmed both on the customer service helpline and in terms of email and letters complaints volume.

I trust O2 will listen to its most high-value customers and reverse this stupid, short-sighted policy within days, if not hours. You may get new customers with this insane policy but you will not keep many of your old ones who have paid you significant sums for many months now and will stop doing so as soon as they can unless you change track, now.

I look forward to your response, answering all my questions.

Sincerely

I have to say, your letter is very well written but no more than a 'please treat us iPhone customers like we are special'.

When the original iPhone was very highly priced (i.e: NO subsidy), people complained that they were treating it differently from other phones. Now they are treating it the same as other phones, people want special treatment.

I'm sorry that you do not understand what your contract entailed (£X amount paid for X months - you agreed to this cost and length when you signed the contract) but that does NOT mean that O2 should have to pony up for a new phone for you.

JUST because you are an iPhone customer and paid for 12 months does NOT entitle you to an upgrade. I suggest you try and understand this. Besides, come next year when the next new iPhone is released you'll be able to upgrade like everyone whilst having fulfilled the terms of the contract you agreed to.

Like everyone else, you will have to pay X amount if you want the new iPhone. I don't understand why people feel entitled to new upgrades. People do it all the time with Apple products, whether it's a laptop or a phone.

sorry to be so blunt, but things cost money. If you aren't prepared to pay the price for it then you can't have it. SIMPLE.
 
@ stiss
Very well written letter, however, it is kind of silly, just because your an iphone customer doesn't mean your elated from the rules everybody else has to go by. If my brother wanted to upgrade his SE c902 to a c905 half way through his contract they wouldn't let him, so why should they let iphone customers.
I agree though that the phone is grossly overpriced compared to the US

I have been holding out on the iphone until they bought out one that was as fast as the ipod touch, they now have, so i'm upgrading.

If you compare the change of hardware between the iphone vs iphone 3g, it is a lot less significant:
- 3G added
- New case

Compared to iphone 3g vs 3gs:
- High speed 3g
- New innards to dramatically improve performance
- 3 megapixel camera
- auto focus
- video recording
- voice control
- digital compass

There are far more features compared to the last upgrade, just because the case design hasn't changed, doesn't mean its the same phone.
 
None of you seem to understand, Orange and T-mobile have always permitted me to upgrade after 12 months on an 18 month contract, providing you take out an extended contract and pay for the mobile if it's a bit more expensive than your plan.

We don't want one for free (that would be nice though) we would like an upgrade option which they are not offering.

If you have nothing constructive to say then keep it zipped, it's not helpful nor clever.
 
Guys, just to clarify that is NOT my letter.

It is one that someone on Twitter has sent and has encouraged for other people to send.

http://spicycauldron.com/2009/06/09...gs-upgrade-policy-feel-free-to-adapt-and-use/

That is the URL and I copy and pasta'd one someone sent off Twitter.

Again i did not send that letter.

Though i do agree with it, and would even add more to it.

O2 should do 12 month Contracts for the iPhone. They of all people carrying the iPhone would know, especially by now that Apple products are updated every 12 months or so, and that Apple fans always want to update.

I think they have shown a lack of responsibility by not offering 12 month contracts, or making it very clear that under no circumstances can you upgrade mid contract when owning the 3G and going forward with new models, i think thats what people are mad at. Because 2G to 3G you could, but going to 3GS you cant. I know the reasons.
 
Just spoke to O2.

They claimed due to the fact I am on a high tariff, to upgrade i must:

Buy out my old contract and start a new one. However if I choose 24month over 18 months, the hand set is free.

For me that works out at a £270 pound upgrade.
 
space well I can't argue with that but the camera will not be a massive improvement and CPU/GPU will only be noticed if your playing games all the time, and if you are then I'm wasting my breath even trying to talk to you.:eek:

I Do Play quite a few Games on it, i am a Gamer after all :p

What makes the iPhone special is the ability to Autofocus wherever you choose (Within Reason) Not Just the Center, heck, Most Full Camera's dont let you do this, and not let you choose ANYWHERE. The Auto Exposure is nice too. This will definitely produce better shots than the 3G.
 
Seriously guys! You have all signed a contract! Why are you (most of) complaining about not being able to upgrade without buying out your contract? What gives you the right to be able to upgrade to a new phone and start a new contract when you are in a 18/24 month contract WHICH YOU SIGNED!! If you are that bothered about the way contracts work, then think about pay as you go next time.

Yes it was nice with O2 offering this upgrade last year, but they don't HAVE to do it this year...or any other year!!

A contract is a contract, stop complaining.
 
None of you seem to understand, Orange and T-mobile have always permitted me to upgrade after 12 months on an 18 month contract, providing you take out an extended contract and pay for the mobile if it's a bit more expensive than your plan.

But this isn't the case for all providers. For example, in my experience neither 3 or Virgin allow you to do this. O2 is clearly a provider that only allowed upgrades in the last month of contract.

Just spoke to O2.

They claimed due to the fact I am on a high tariff, to upgrade i must:

Buy out my old contract and start a new one. However if I choose 24month over 18 months, the hand set is free.

For me that works out at a £270 pound upgrade.

If you sold off your 3G that might work out quite well for you.
 
http://www.o2blueroom.co.uk/O2PriorityList/platinum/Benifits.aspx?sec=home&area=platinum

As an O2 Priority List platinum customer, if you're on an 18- or 24-month contract you can get a new phone six months early, or you can choose from:

One of our 30-day or 12-month simplicity tariffs, which offer the most minutes and texts from £10 a month, or
A credit on your bill if you don't need a new phone
And when you do renew, you can take your pick of the same offers that our new customers get. We call it Fair Deal.


so by that it means we are eligible to upgrade 6 months earlier??
 
Well the Americans are on about the next iphone revision already as a reason not to restart, I don't agree with this.

7.2MBPS HPDSA is only just rolling out.
The other functions are essential: IE, Tom Tom/Turn by Turn/Compass.

So is it worth me paying 240 pounds for the handset (by paying of) and then paying 240 Pounds again next year in a new contract. Absolutely as technically, i am paying for the handset, not to pay of 02.

May i add, that O2 will not give away new handsets to new people in December/January at the end of the 3G "BOOM", it will cost you 80-200 Pounds anyway wither you have 1 month or 6months left.
 
your all crazy,

last year o2 knew that there would be a higher uptake of the 3g than the first gen that's why they allowed early upgrades for all you kiddy apple fanboys, patience is a virtue. Those that waited to get the 3G where smart those that miss this one and wait for the next release will be even smarter.

For the minor hardware improvements you really should wait. Next June will be the interesting one!

You can bitch and moan and do as many petitions, tweets whatever as you like NOTHING will change o2 are a business, bottom line. They are in the business of making money not fulfilling your technological wet dreams!

What you have to bear in mind too is that O2 know for an absolute fact, due to the fanboy nature of iPhones, that people WILL pay to complete their contract now, and then start a new one, probably two years! Can you imagine the board room members faces when they see the money rolling in? They will be rubbing their hands with glee! Not only will they sell a shed load of iPhone 3GS's but they'll also get a minimum of 6 months EXTRA line rental from all the existing customers who want to upgrade. From a business vantage point, you just cannot deny that's a genius move from O2. Yes, they are disgruntling some people, but what's the betting those very people complaining will just go, 'ah, stuff it - I'm getting a new one!'
 
and you get to keep your old 3G, so go grab a pay as you go Sim lol
 
But this isn't the case for all providers.

Exactley, that's why O2 will discover that people will leave them in droves when their exclusivity runs dry. With Apple products customers are loyal, this is obvious, so they know customers will want to upgrade every year to the latest iPhone, yet they have done nothing about it. Poor management on O2's side.

so by that it means we are eligible to upgrade 6 months earlier??

Very true, but you need to be spending silly money to qualify. I believe it's £80 plus.
 
i edited my previous post about that letter, please read it.

I agree about the 12 month contract thing but I think that people would complain even more about the price if that were the case.

12-month would be a great option to the upgrade conscious crowd who were realistically willing to pay for the privilege.
 
None of you seem to understand, Orange and T-mobile have always permitted me to upgrade after 12 months on an 18 month contract, providing you take out an extended contract and pay for the mobile if it's a bit more expensive than your plan.

We don't want one for free (that would be nice though) we would like an upgrade option which they are not offering.

If you have nothing constructive to say then keep it zipped, it's not helpful nor clever.

Okay, that's just rude for no reason.

The simple fact is this - O2 subsidised the price of the iPhone 3G and then put together a set of tarrifs that (at the time) were actually pretty good value for money once you included the unlimited data and free wi-fi access. Presumably they have calculated a percentage of that monthly tarrif to recoup the subsidy. If they give you an early upgrade to the 3G S they're basically throwing money away.

I'd be very interested to know what handsets you were upgrading from on Orange and T-Mobile. If they weren't the most expensive handsets around then you may very well have already paid the subsidy off hence the 'free' upgrade. Besides, you're talking I'm afraid about your own experience not policy. I'm sure if either of those networks were in the same position as O2 they'd do EXACTLY the same thing on upgrades as you're a captive audience right now.

That being said, I wish all this rage over the lack of an upgrade path (which frankly is ridiculous - you signed an 18 month contract, please don't feel that you've got a RIGHT to get out whenever you like even if it is to upgrade to the latest toy) was being focused on areas where O2 are genunely treating their customers badly, e.g. the cost of the handset on tarrif (both versus the AT&T price and the rest of the UK market not to mention the previous iPhone) and tethering charges. Then we might actually see something useful come out of this instead of the usual something-for-nothing attitude and complaining.
 
What you have to bear in mind too is that O2 know for an absolute fact, due to the fanboy nature of iPhones, that people WILL pay to complete their contract now, and then start a new one, probably two years! Can you imagine the board room members faces when they see the money rolling in? They will be rubbing their hands with glee! Not only will they sell a shed load of iPhone 3GS's but they'll also get a minimum of 6 months EXTRA line rental from all the existing customers who want to upgrade. From a business vantage point, you just cannot deny that's a genius move from O2. Yes, they are disgruntling some people, but what's the betting those very people complaining will just go, 'ah, stuff it - I'm getting a new one!'

There is a poll on this forum which is not a reflection of the general public more the Apple fanboy as you put it, and that poll last time I looked was about 63% will not be upgrading this time round. Granted it's not scientific but it's still a rough guide.
 
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