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nj1266

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Yep...can't wait for the S7 benchmarks! Then when Android phones start winning all the apple guys touting benchmarks will downplay the importance of benchmarks again.

On a yearly basis iPhones have dominated the benchmarks over Android. The 2015 iPhone 6s destroyed almost every flagship Android phone in benchmark. And for 2016 the iPhone 7 will do it again, using a dual core processor while Androids use Octacore processors. Until Androids start optimizing hardware and software, they will not dominate the benchmarks. Or they can cheat on the benchmark like some were caught doing.
 

jamezr

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Benchmarks only count when Android devices score higher.
Lol...it was all the apple fans who contently downplayed benchmarks as meaning less when Android consistently won the benchmark wars. Now Apple wins and its all about the benchmarks......until Android wins and then apple fans say benchmarks don't matter. :)
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On a yearly basis iPhones have dominated the benchmarks over Android. The 2015 iPhone 6s destroyed almost every flagship Android phone in benchmark. And for 2016 the iPhone 7 will do it again, using a dual core processor while Androids use Octacore processors. Until Androids start optimizing hardware and software, they will not dominate the benchmarks. Or they can cheat on the benchmark like some were caught doing.
I agree! Apple is in a advantageous position that they control the hardware and software end to end. Apple's does the best job in the world at blending software and hardware. I have said this many many times.
 

zone23

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Lol...it was all the apple fans who contently downplayed benchmarks as meaning less when Android consistently won the benchmark wars. Now Apple wins and its all about the benchmarks......until Android wins and then apple fans say benchmarks don't matter. :)
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I agree! Apple is in a advantageous position that they control the hardware and software end to end. Apple's does the best job in the world at blending software and hardware. I have said this many many times.

If you say so, most iPhone users that I know don't even know what a benchmark is or what exactly it means. You probably know different users than I do. Also Android users are all about benchmarks and RAM.
 

jamezr

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If you say so, most iPhone users that I know don't even know what a benchmark is or what exactly it means. You probably know different users than I do. Also Android users are all about benchmarks and RAM.
I've seen it so many times here..... If Android wins at something then the Apple fans say benchmarks do not mean anything and everyone uses their stuff differently. (Which is ultimately true btw). Then when Apple wins the benchmarks Android fans say pretty much the same thing.
Personally I don't think benchmarks mean too much. They are a general guideline only. I will say this when Android wins as well. Then my daily driver is my IP6s+ right now too :)
 

nj1266

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If you say so, most iPhone users that I know don't even know what a benchmark is or what exactly it means. You probably know different users than I do. Also Android users are all about benchmarks and RAM.

They love Octacores on the CPU. They always tout that even though Apple's dual core CPU has destroyed all Android flagship Octacore CPUs.
 

zone23

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I've seen it so many times here..... If Android wins at something then the Apple fans say benchmarks do not mean anything and everyone uses their stuff differently. (Which is ultimately true btw). Then when Apple wins the benchmarks Android fans say pretty much the same thing.
Personally I don't think benchmarks mean too much. They are a general guideline only. I will say this when Android wins as well. Then my daily driver is my IP6s+ right now too :)

All I know is what ever I have is THE BEST, LOL.. iPhone 6s+ here too, but I have a Moto X Pure just to play with, its ok. Benchmarks for me are like 44,000 wow okay closes app..
 

zone23

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They love Octacores on the CPU. They always tout that even though Apple's dual core CPU has destroyed all Android flagship Octacore CPUs.

Yeah they do, funny thing is the phones all seem to perform about the same. I can't really tell 4 cores from 8 to be honest especially since 7 of the cores are sleeping.
 

Michael Goff

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Yep...can't wait for the S7 benchmarks! Then when Android phones start winning all the apple guys touting benchmarks will downplay the importance of benchmarks again.

The S7 will be more powerful than the A9. I'm not so sure that the 820 will, though. I'm foreseeing random issues with heating on some phones that cause it to throttle.
 
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nj1266

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The S7 will be more powerful than the A9. I'm not so sure that the 820 will, though. I'm foreseeing random issues with heating on some phones that cause it to throttle.

If you are correct, then this is pretty much the same problem Qualcomm had with 810 chip. Same crappy chip, but a different year. Samsung should have stuck with its own chipset on the S7 like they did on the S6. Why did they give some of their business to Qualcomm is beyond me!!!
 

Blaze4G

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It is almost 41% higher performance on that benchmark than the 6p which everyone and their mother touts as the best android phone to get. It takes me 35 minutes to get to work. If I can get to work 41% quicker that saves me 14 minutes and 35 seconds. It takes 323 minutes to fly to New York City from LAX. If I can get there 41% sooner then that saves almost a 133 minutes or 2.2 hours. 41% better performance is definitely not a few seconds. As this video shows it is 41 seconds faster in the speed lap test.

The iPhone blows the 6p away and almost every other phone in loading games (except for note 5). However when it comes to loading daily apps the 6p is faster.
So if you're not a gamer like me then the 6p would save me more time in loading apps daily.
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The S7 will be more powerful than the A9. I'm not so sure that the 820 will, though. I'm foreseeing random issues with heating on some phones that cause it to throttle.

If you are correct, then this is pretty much the same problem Qualcomm had with 810 chip. Same crappy chip, but a different year. Samsung should have stuck with its own chipset on the S7 like they did on the S6. Why did they give some of their business to Qualcomm is beyond me!!!

I agree to an extent. Apple does something most other phones can't...sustain maximum performance for much longer without throttling much.
I think the 820 will be on par with the A9 or slight below it. I have more confidence it won't overheat as much since Qualcomm is going back to their own cores and only using 4 instead of 8.
By the way for who does not know, Qualcomm only did quad cores. When Apple came out with 64 bit, they got caught with their pants hanging down. Their own in-house cores were still on 32 bit so they had to outsource the cores to obtain 64 bit. Hence creating an octacore (810).

The exynos will more likely beat the A9 but fall way short in GPU.
 
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Michael Goff

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If you are correct, then this is pretty much the same problem Qualcomm had with 810 chip. Same crappy chip, but a different year. Samsung should have stuck with its own chipset on the S7 like they did on the S6. Why did they give some of their business to Qualcomm is beyond me!!!

Some phones seem to be going the route of fixing the issue via heat pipes. That's why some phones will have issues while others will not.

http://www.lawyerherald.com/article...rint-scanner-heat-pipe-for-snapdragon-820.htm
http://www.android.gs/samsung-will-...on-qualcomms-snapdragon-820-until-april-2016/
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/new...20-heating-issues-for-galaxy-s7-report-758269
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/processors/39118-snapdragon-820-might-have-heating-problems
 

jamezr

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The S7 will be more powerful than the A9. I'm not so sure that the 820 will, though. I'm foreseeing random issues with heating on some phones that cause it to throttle.
I sure hope not....where have you seen the issues with the 820? I think Samsung should stick to the Exnyos chips. But then some rumors have said the Samsung might make the 820 for Qualcom sot he overheating issue might not surface.
We will find out soon enough though.
 

Michael Goff

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I sure hope not....where have you seen the issues with the 820? I think Samsung should stick to the Exnyos chips. But then some rumors have said the Samsung might make the 820 for Qualcom sot he overheating issue might not surface.
We will find out soon enough though.

I hope you're right. If the 820 is a flop, I fear for Qualcomm.
 

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Time, because it rules EVERYTHING!
http://www.antutu.com/en/view.shtml?id=8184

Even the iPhone 6 Plus scored around the same as the Galaxy Note 5! Does this mean the older 6s scores that were really low were just lies? How reliable is AnTuTu compared to GeekBench (now that it is also cross-platform)?

None of these benchmark apps are reliable really with the stories of some manufactures cheating.. Make no odds in the day to day use for sure RAM is more important these day's. Apple could be cheating for all we know, I bet that would be kept quiet if they were...

It's just willy waving at the end of the day, nothing more.
 

nj1266

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None of these benchmark apps are reliable really with the stories of some manufactures cheating.. Make no odds in the day to day use for sure RAM is more important these day's. Apple could be cheating for all we know, I bet that would be kept quiet if they were...

It's just willy waving at the end of the day, nothing more.

Anandtech kept track of cheating OEMs and Apple and two Android maker were the ones that did not cheat.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks
 

Andres Cantu

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More likely it is an error and should be the original iPhone.
No, I think the error was in the way they calculated gflops: they used number of cores in their calculations. By that standard, the 6s Plus or even the iPad Pro would not "beat" the quad-core SIII.

Benchmarks could be misleading, but definitely not to the same degree as that chart.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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The iPhone could have a 250% faster benchmark performance. I still won't go back until Apple makes iOS less restrictive.
 

nj-morris

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Weird, the list of Snapdragon devices on Wikipedia already has the S7 and S7 Edge under the Snapdragon 820.

The S7 will be more powerful than the A9. I'm not so sure that the 820 will, though. I'm foreseeing random issues with heating on some phones that cause it to throttle.

I think it will be fine. I feel this year Qualcomm really know what they're doing. A benchmark of the first 820 phone showed a score of 133,357, so a tiny bit more than the 6S. It might vary from phone to phone, but it's the same general score.
And with the S7, the model with the Exynos 8890 bight outperform the A9/Snapdragon 820, but probably not by much. The Exynos 7420 phones and the Snapdragon 810 phones had quite close scores, because although the Exynos had the advantage over the Snapdragon, the Adreno definitely had the advantage over the Mali. It'll probably be the same this year. I reall don't expect much of a difference between the two models of the S7.
 

Isamilis

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Benchmark data is interesting to read, but rarely makes a big difference in real world usage. I'll take this with _TWO_ Grains of salt :D

If the difference is significant, obviously it will affect day to day usage.
 
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