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apolloa

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nj1266

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Perhaps you can explain why from Antutu 5 to Antutu 6 the iPhone 6S doubles it's score? Because if you looked closely at the excellent unbiased report I posted, they ran Antutu 5. Please explain that.

And which site isn't biased? The one where several years ago the owner was praising Apple like the second coming? Or was that for fear of being blacklisted by Apple ruining any chance of a job with them? Either way it has bias involved from that website, a website that doesn't have to answer to anyone let's remember, the one I linked to does as a published magazine I believe is under rules and regulations.
So the iPhone 6S, a phone all the tech magazines, and a fair few websites, did not place at the top was placed at the top by Antutu and you used that as an example they aren't biased? You'll need to try harder than that.

And I will slate a phone where it deserves it or it's maker, I do not have some secret vendetor in doing so though and that's the difference. For instance it would be nice if the phone I spent £619, amongst the most expensive phone on the UK market, would let me input text using it's built in SMS app when I tilt it on it's side...............

Again, take it up with Antutu and not me. The OP linked to Antutu. Antutu created the damn test. They are the authority on its results and not PC mag. I will place the company that created the test as a higher authority than a magazine that uses the test. Unless you are implying that Antutu is now biased because they somehow rigged the test in favor of Apple. Another conspiracy theory perhaps?

You have zero proof that Anandtech is biased. A couple of years ago is when Anandtech picked the HTC M7 as its best phone and have it the Gold Award. If Anandtech was biased then why did they not pick the iPhone as the best phone that year? Care to explain that one for me?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6747/htc-one-review/17

Just go and read the praise that was heaped on the HTC One M7. No such award was given to the iPhone of that year. You would think that a website that is so biased for Apple would pick an iPhone that is the Gold Award winner.

Who are you to place a phone on any list? What are your credentials so I can take what you say seriously. I will take what Anandtech and Arstechnica says ahead of what any other site says anytime of the day. They give the most reputable and most detailed review. You, on the other hand, are just another person on a forum screaming bias whenever the results do not fit your world view.
 

Michael Goff

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You may want to read up on the 820. It is a completely new chip, built from the ground up. Everything is new, even the 14nm process that made it. It is actually pretty interesting to read all that was done.

That said, as long as Apple sticks to an antiquated 1080p and lower screen resolution, it will push out higher benchmarks.

1080p is hardly antiquated. There's still a good case for it on TVs of certain sizes.

Doesn't explain why the iPhone 6S all but doubled it's score, meh when the 820 and next Exynos hit's they will match or beat the 6S whist running vastly higher resolution screens as well.

And that higher resolution will be wasted when used to do almost anything.
 
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Truefan31

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Shouldn't the new exynos and 820 be higher than the a9? The a9 is older. I expect the a10 to be better than the a9 because it'll be newer. But again honestly other than games and other rare cases we'll never consistently push these chips to the max.

I did find it interesting when Linus reviewed the 6s he was impressed with the power and new drive controller. One thing he pointed out was how the a9 basically didn't throttle at all during his testing. When he's impressed by Apple performance it carries weight for me because he's been pretty critical of other Apple devices.
 

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1080p is hardly antiquated. There's still a good case for it on TVs of certain sizes.



And that higher resolution will be wasted when used to do almost anything.

I agree, it's hardly antiquated, heck even my lowly 750p 6S still looks damn good next to the top of line screen in my Note 5. But I disagree on the extra resolution being wasted, well almost. It's wasted right now, but I really feel that we do stand to gain by upping the pixel count at least until we hit 900ppi. However before we get to that point, graphics need to be updated to take advantage of that. And to do that we need much more powerful chipsets and beefier batteries.
 

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Shouldn't the new exynos and 820 be higher than the a9? The a9 is older. I expect the a10 to be better than the a9 because it'll be newer. But again honestly other than games and other rare cases we'll never consistently push these chips to the max.

I did find it interesting when Linus reviewed the 6s he was impressed with the power and new drive controller. One thing he pointed out was how the a9 basically didn't throttle at all during his testing. When he's impressed by Apple performance it carries weight for me because he's been pretty critical of other Apple devices.
Are you talking about the guy from Linus Tech Tips? I agree, he's very critical of apple and when he was impressed with the 6S it definitely carriers more weight.
 

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Shouldn't the new exynos and 820 be higher than the a9? The a9 is older. I expect the a10 to be better than the a9 because it'll be newer. But again honestly other than games and other rare cases we'll never consistently push these chips to the max.

I did find it interesting when Linus reviewed the 6s he was impressed with the power and new drive controller. One thing he pointed out was how the a9 basically didn't throttle at all during his testing. When he's impressed by Apple performance it carries weight for me because he's been pretty critical of other Apple devices.

You can add Linus to the list of reviewers I trust.
 

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I agree, it's hardly antiquated, heck even my lowly 750p 6S still looks damn good next to the top of line screen in my Note 5. But I disagree on the extra resolution being wasted, well almost. It's wasted right now, but I really feel that we do stand to gain by upping the pixel count at least until we hit 900ppi. However before we get to that point, graphics need to be updated to take advantage of that. And to do that we need much more powerful chipsets and beefier batteries.

Yeah it still irks me that despite the QHD resolutions on my Android phones this year - apps like tapatalk, google music, Google newsstand, Google keep, YouTube etc.. display more physical content on my 6S+ 1080p screen than on any of my androids even ignoring those with on screen buttons.

Why they all have this almost zoomed in perspective in apps is weird and one of my few gripes with all my Android devices. I now can understand why many folks root or use custom roms to change their dpi - however I don't do either of those things and don't wan't to have to. I just wished it showed more content on my both (physically bigger 5.7" compared to 5.5") QHD screen (opposed to 1080p) without any need to tinker to achieve it.
 
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Hey now more often than not I would pick a nice lower res screen because I do enjoy the higher performance/battery ;)

along with what MRU is saying, jailbroken ios can modify dpi in a sense with tweaks like little brother and upscale. For example people will make their 5s display content as a 6 or 6+ would
 
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nj1266

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Hey now more often than not I would pick a nice lower res screen because I do enjoy the higher performance/battery ;)

along with what MRU is saying, jailbroken ios can modify dpi in a sense with tweaks like little brother and upscale. For example people will make their 5s display content as a 6 or 6+ would

Have you tried it? How reliable is that tweak?
 

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1080p is hardly antiquated. There's still a good case for it on TVs of certain sizes.
It is outdated. Even for TV's now. For cheaper phones, tablets and TV's it is fine. For flagship devices, it is antiquated. 750p even more so! Apple keeps their resolution liw for two reasons: 1. Cheaper displays and more profit for their pockets and 2. Enables Apple to get good battery life and performance from what is otherwise a mid-range hardware phone.

This is fine for short term goals, but when Apple finally moves to QHD AMOLED screens and higher dpi resolution, they are going to pay the piper in performance loss. Take a look at the Apple Watch as a prime example of Apple trying to match Android Wear Watches. The low performance, lag and piss poor battery life is atrocious for the price tag.
 

gotluck

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Have you tried it? How reliable is that tweak?
I've read it works well but I haven't tried them no. Believe little brother is the safer one. Upscale is manual and have to be careful what values you tell it to use. I want to say if you pick certain values you may have to restore your device
 

Andres Cantu

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Shouldn't the new exynos and 820 be higher than the a9? The a9 is older. I expect the a10 to be better than the a9 because it'll be newer. But again honestly other than games and other rare cases we'll never consistently push these chips to the max.

I did find it interesting when Linus reviewed the 6s he was impressed with the power and new drive controller. One thing he pointed out was how the a9 basically didn't throttle at all during his testing. When he's impressed by Apple performance it carries weight for me because he's been pretty critical of other Apple devices.
They should at least match the A9, but I'm not expecting them to beat it by a wide margin. That just makes the A9 all the more impressive: it will be able to compete with chips from 2016 even though it would be around half a year old at that point (much like the A7 beat every other 2013 chip by a long shot). Then the A10 will come along, but I'm not expecting a huge change, more along the lines of the A7 to A8.
 

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Yeah. Linus i definitely respect.



Here's another video illustrating how little the 6s throttles.

He also compares some other flagships. S6 edge dropped about 10-15%, the lg G4 didn't and unfortunately the htc m9 with the 810 throttled significantly.
 

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http://www.antutu.com/en/view.shtml?id=8184

Even the iPhone 6 Plus scored around the same as the Galaxy Note 5! Does this mean the older 6s scores that were really low were just lies? How reliable is AnTuTu compared to GeekBench (now that it is also cross-platform)?

UPDATE: iPad Pro scored 180,000, or 100% more than the highest Android score.

My note 5 scores 120k
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Truefan31

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My note 5 scores 120k
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So the ipp in this benchmark did 33% better. And the 6s plus did about 10,000 better.

Is your note 5 stock? I wonder the disparity between your score vs what's being reported. There's basically a 30% difference between your score vs what's posted.
 

grkm3

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So the ipp in this benchmark did 33% better.

Note 5 is pushing more pixels

What are the iphone 6 scores minus the 3d bench?

And nice comparing a tablet soc to a phone soc.I can go bust out a nvidia k1 bench with its 300 gpu cores if u want to compare tablet socs
 

Truefan31

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Note 5 is pushing more pixels

What are the iphone 6 scores minus the 3d bench?

And nice comparing a tablet soc to a phone soc.I can go bust out a nvidia k1 bench with its 300 gpu cores if u want to compare tablet socs

lol fine compare the 6s or 6s plus to the note 5, I don't care. The overall score I see is higher still which in all likelihood won't be noticeable on a day to day basis. . Did you modify your note 5 in any way to get 30% more than what's reported? It looks like maybe stock it's about 50,000 difference to the 6s plus but if you did whatever and you got extra performance to where it's only 10,000 behind. Bravo.

I've already said all these flagships are beasts. But it surprised a lot of people how strong the a9 is, including reviewers like anandtech and if people wanna say it's biased well again even Linus was impressed. And if there's a bias with Linus it sure isn't toward Apple.

I thought it was something Linus mentioned the dislike he had for android security in the video.
 

nj1266

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Yeah. Linus i definitely respect.

Notice how even Linus went to Anandtech to discover why the 6s/6s plus was so fast. Notice too that Linus cited Arstechnica in his report about the lack of security on Android phones. As I said before, the authorities in reviewing smartphones are Anandtech and Arstechnica and the fact that Linus cites both re-affaimrs what I said. But now the Android supporter would come back and say, you guessed it, Linus is biased too. LOL.
 

Truefan31

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Notice how even Linus went to Anandtech to discover why the 6s/6s plus was so fast. Notice too that Linus cited Arstechnica in his report about the lack of security on Android phones. As I said before, the authorities in reviewing smartphones are Anandtech and Arstechnica and the fact that Linus cites both re-affaimrs what I said. But now the Android supporter would come back and say, you guessed it, Linus is biased too. LOL.

Yeah Linus is definitely not bias toward Apple. I think basically putting in a nand controller was a game changer.
 

Truefan31

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Wow, that much higher than mine.
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For comparison, here is my 6S Plus
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And my 6S.
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That's what I'm tryin to find out. All 3 phones are beasts no doubt but the 6s n 6s plus is pretty impressive in its overall performance capabilities.

Am I right to assume some kind of modification or custom rom was needed to get a 120k on the note 5? And if so wouldn't that affect battery life potentially?
 

apolloa

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Again, take it up with Antutu and not me. The OP linked to Antutu. Antutu created the damn test. They are the authority on its results and not PC mag. I will place the company that created the test as a higher authority than a magazine that uses the test. Unless you are implying that Antutu is now biased because they somehow rigged the test in favor of Apple. Another conspiracy theory perhaps?

You have zero proof that Anandtech is biased. A couple of years ago is when Anandtech picked the HTC M7 as its best phone and have it the Gold Award. If Anandtech was biased then why did they not pick the iPhone as the best phone that year? Care to explain that one for me?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6747/htc-one-review/17

Just go and read the praise that was heaped on the HTC One M7. No such award was given to the iPhone of that year. You would think that a website that is so biased for Apple would pick an iPhone that is the Gold Award winner.

Who are you to place a phone on any list? What are your credentials so I can take what you say seriously. I will take what Anandtech and Arstechnica says ahead of what any other site says anytime of the day. They give the most reputable and most detailed review. You, on the other hand, are just another person on a forum screaming bias whenever the results do not fit your world view.

You have still failed to prove, as has anyone else, as to why the iPhone 6S score doubled under the new Antutu version 6, and again I trust sites that are fair and tech magazines a LOT more then some random bloke on YouTube who answers to no one or a website that answers to no one. Printed press is under regulations and rules, a You Tube personality is not, neither a random website so far as I know.
My previous comment still stands against you as you have failed to offer anything new.

And that higher resolution will be wasted when used to do almost anything.

You mean apart from the MILLIONS who watch media on their phones, even their videos taken with their phones, every single day. Sure it's not a bad screen, and it allows Apple to put puny sized battery's into the iPhone to increase profit margin even further/ make a thinner phone, but the day they use OLED and increase resolutions it's fans will think they've reinvented the phone! Despite Apple being several years late to that party.
 
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