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apolloa

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Michael Goff

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As stated, an article written on a website where the site owner was after a job in Apple at the time is hardly trustworthy, it's no different then you writing a made up article and claiming it's fact.

It's always funny when people use who owned the site to try to invalidate something. Seriously. Why have facts when you can just claim bias?
 

apolloa

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It's always funny when people use who owned the site to try to invalidate something. Seriously. Why have facts when you can just claim bias?

What facts? It's a web site set up by random people, doesn't make what they say fact at all. I could make a website and post the same articles.
A tech magazine is a lot more reliable then a website is on facts.
 
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Michael Goff

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I hat facts? It's a web site set up by random people, doesn't make what they say fact at all. I could make a website and post the same articles.
A tech magazine is a lot more reliable then a website is on facts.

So do you have any evidence that counters what the article says?
 

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Showing an article from 2013 written by 2 Apple employees, you are not going to win too many arguments with that. Why not find something similar for S6/Note5?

There isn't. After these companies were exposed, they stopped cheating. Back in 2013 Anand was not an Apple employee. Besides Nexus and Motorola and Apple did not cheat. So that puts a hole in your argument that there I pro Apple bias.
 

nj1266

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As stated, an article written on a website where the site owner was after a job in Apple at the time is hardly trustworthy, it's no different then you writing a made up article and claiming it's fact.

How do you know that he was after a job at the time? He did get a job with Apple and sold/left Anandtech. You have no way of knowing whether he was applying for an Apple job at the time. You just made that up. Besides, if you read the article, you will notice that neither Nexus or Motorola were cheating on the benchmarks. So the argument of Apple bias is full of holes.
 

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How do you know that he was after a job at the time? He did get a job with Apple and sold/left Anandtech. You have no way of knowing whether he was applying for an Apple job at the time. You just made that up. Besides, if you read the article, you will notice that neither Nexus or Motorola were cheating on the benchmarks. So the argument of Apple bias is full of holes.
Doesn't matter what you say or actually happened, it doesn't fit their narrative so they won't listen and just come up with another why not to trust those numbers. Doesn't matter how reputable anandtech is.
 
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It is almost 41% higher performance on that benchmark than the 6p which everyone and their mother touts as the best android phone to get. It takes me 35 minutes to get to work. If I can get to work 41% quicker that saves me 14 minutes and 35 seconds. It takes 323 minutes to fly to New York City from LAX. If I can get there 41% sooner then that saves almost a 133 minutes or 2.2 hours. 41% better performance is definitely not a few seconds. As this video shows it is 41 seconds faster in the speed lap test.


I'm not disputing that it's a great chip, what I'm saying is that in real world the difference isn't that much. Your hardly going to do anything that takes 35min let alone 323, we are talking milliseconds here. So yes, my 6S Plus does feel smoother and faster than my Note 5, but it's not a huge deal at this point. It the same when people talk down the display on the iPhone, sure the Note's display is better but it's again not a huge difference when actually using them.

And that extra power is also being limited by the os. I really hope apple opens up some extra features with iOS 10, I really feel that they can leap ahead of android easier than android can leap ahead of iOS, they just have to open it up a little.
 

apolloa

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So do you have any evidence that counters what the article says?

Well here's a website for a long standing PC magazine, and it shows Antutu benchmark graphic showing the Note 5 is faster than the iPhone 6S and 6S Plus for one, a much more trust worthy site:

http://uk.pcmag.com/nvidia-shield-t...1424/feature/benchmarking-the-apple-iphone-6s

How do you know that he was after a job at the time? He did get a job with Apple and sold/left Anandtech. You have no way of knowing whether he was applying for an Apple job at the time. You just made that up. Besides, if you read the article, you will notice that neither Nexus or Motorola were cheating on the benchmarks. So the argument of Apple bias is full of holes.

Because the site was known to be biased towards Apple, they glorified the to the hilt and Apple approached the owner. Apple is also well known to black list sites that are negative towards their products in reviews. My Apple bias has no holes.

http://www.cultofmac.com/255618/how-apples-blacklist-manipulates-the-press/

Doesn't matter what you say or actually happened, it doesn't fit their narrative so they won't listen and just come up with another why not to trust those numbers. Doesn't matter how reputable anandtech is.

It isn't reputable in the slightest! Seeing as I own an iPhone 6S I hardly have some secret mandate to hate on it :rolleyes: but believe whatever you want...
 
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Well here's a website for a long standing PC magazine, and it shows Antutu benchmark graphic showing the Note 5 is faster than the iPhone 6S and 6S Plus for one, a much more trust worthy site:

http://uk.pcmag.com/nvidia-shield-t...1424/feature/benchmarking-the-apple-iphone-6s



Because the site was known to be biased towards Apple, they glorified the to the hilt and Apple approached the owner. Apple is also well known to black list sites that are negative towards their products in reviews. My Apple bias has no holes.

http://www.cultofmac.com/255618/how-apples-blacklist-manipulates-the-press/



It isn't reputable in the slightest! Seeing as I own an iPhone 6S I hardly have some secret mandate to hate on it :rolleyes: but believe whatever you want...

None of that counters the idea that Samsung had a special benchmark mode in some of their phones. I ask you once again for proof that they didn't cheat.
 
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I thought it was accepted that Samsung did indeed have an unthrottled benchmark mode in the past. I remember reading it on Android police, Droid life, reddit

I believe the differences in numbers in that article from pcmag versus the one in the op can be explained by antutu very recently changing their benchmarking method
 
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apolloa

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None of that counters the idea that Samsung had a special benchmark mode in some of their phones. I ask you once again for proof that they didn't cheat.

I would ask you to provide proof stating the Note 5 cheats in the Antutu benchmark. Because your key word you posted is "Had", not has. So you are the one who should be providing the proof as you yourself do not know they cheat.
 

Michael Goff

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I would ask you to provide proof stating the Note 5 cheats in the Antutu benchmark. Because your key word you posted is "Had", not has. So you are the one who should be providing the proof as you yourself do not know they cheat.

I can't find proof that they still do, so I'm going to assume I was wrong and they don't anymore. I'm also going to suggest that we cease bringing in 2yr articles. I didn't notice that the Anand one was so old.
 

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Well here's a website for a long standing PC magazine, and it shows Antutu benchmark graphic showing the Note 5 is faster than the iPhone 6S and 6S Plus for one, a much more trust worthy site:

http://uk.pcmag.com/nvidia-shield-t...1424/feature/benchmarking-the-apple-iphone-6s



Because the site was known to be biased towards Apple, they glorified the to the hilt and Apple approached the owner. Apple is also well known to black list sites that are negative towards their products in reviews. My Apple bias has no holes.

http://www.cultofmac.com/255618/how-apples-blacklist-manipulates-the-press/



It isn't reputable in the slightest! Seeing as I own an iPhone 6S I hardly have some secret mandate to hate on it :rolleyes: but believe whatever you want...

So PC mag know more about Antutu than Antutu themselves. It is Antutu who crowned the 6s as leader in their benchmark. Go to the Antutu website and see for yourself. We are supposed to believe PC mag that ran Antutu and not Antutu themselves. Such logic!!!

The site is not Apple biased at all. You just do not like the result of the benchmarks that they run. They have the most detailed articles about smartphones in the business. They take a long time testing a smartphone before they publish results. They are the last to publish results of any major site. They are not about being the first but about detail and thoroughness. There are only two smartphones that got the Gold award from them: HTC One M7 and iPhone 6s. If they were Apple biased as you claim, then why did they give the HTC One the Gold Award.

And I own an HTC One M7, so what does that mean. Just because you own a phone does not make you unbiased for or against it.
 

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I thought it was accepted that Samsung did indeed have an unthrottled benchmark mode in the past. I remember reading it on Android police, Droid life, reddit

I believe the differences in numbers in that article from pcmag versus the one in the op can be explained by antutu very recently changing their benchmarking method

All of them cheated with the exception of Nexus, Motorola, and Apple. We do not know if they are still cheating since the end of 2013, because no major publication took the time to do a follow up test. I hope Anandtech updates their findings on more recent smartphones.
 

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I think it's just showing what these phones are capable of. Honestly just about all of us are not pushing the cpu/gpu to their limits with the exception of maybe some games. It's just that obviously a lot of android users have touted the benchmarks. iPhone users do it as well but honestly most tout the user experience as its feature more than benchmarks. But now that the a9/new drive controller has shown significant performance leaps it's illustrating that there's a lot of impressive performance capability under the hood, at least on par if not exceeding other 2015 flagships.
 
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apolloa

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I can't find proof that they still do, so I'm going to assume I was wrong and they don't anymore. I'm also going to suggest that we cease bringing in 2yr articles. I didn't notice that the Anand one was so old.

Exactly, the story is pretty old hence the comments I made. I don't think they would cheat anymore as the scores showing these days would fit for the generation of chip they use? The Note 5 is damn fast so I would believe the results it posts.
 
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There isn't. After these companies were exposed, they stopped cheating. Back in 2013 Anand was not an Apple employee. Besides Nexus and Motorola and Apple did not cheat. So that puts a hole in your argument that there I pro Apple bias.

If there isn't, then stop typing nonsense.
 

apolloa

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So PC mag know more about Antutu than Antutu themselves. It is Antutu who crowned the 6s as leader in their benchmark. Go to the Antutu website and see for yourself. We are supposed to believe PC mag that ran Antutu and not Antutu themselves. Such logic!!!

The site is not Apple biased at all. You just do not like the result of the benchmarks that they run. They have the most detailed articles about smartphones in the business. They take a long time testing a smartphone before they publish results. They are the last to publish results of any major site. They are not about being the first but about detail and thoroughness. There are only two smartphones that got the Gold award from them: HTC One M7 and iPhone 6s. If they were Apple biased as you claim, then why did they give the HTC One the Gold Award.

And I own an HTC One M7, so what does that mean. Just because you own a phone does not make you unbiased for or against it.

Perhaps you can explain why from Antutu 5 to Antutu 6 the iPhone 6S doubles it's score? Because if you looked closely at the excellent unbiased report I posted, they ran Antutu 5. Please explain that.

And which site isn't biased? The one where several years ago the owner was praising Apple like the second coming? Or was that for fear of being blacklisted by Apple ruining any chance of a job with them? Either way it has bias involved from that website, a website that doesn't have to answer to anyone let's remember, the one I linked to does as a published magazine I believe is under rules and regulations.
So the iPhone 6S, a phone all the tech magazines, and a fair few websites, did not place at the top was placed at the top by Antutu and you used that as an example they aren't biased? You'll need to try harder than that.

And I will slate a phone where it deserves it or it's maker, I do not have some secret vendetor in doing so though and that's the difference. For instance it would be nice if the phone I spent £619, amongst the most expensive phone on the UK market, would let me input text using it's built in SMS app when I tilt it on it's side...............
 
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Michael Goff

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Perhaps you can explain why from Antutu 5 to Antutu 6 the iPhone 6S doubles it's score? Because if you looked closely at the excellent unbiased report I posted, they ran Antutu 5. Please explain that.

And which site isn't biased? The one where several years ago the owner was praising Apple like the second coming? Or was that for fear of being blacklisted by Apple ruining any chance of a job with them? Either way it has bias involved from that website, a website that doesn't have to answer to anyone let's remember, the one I linked to does as a published magazine I believe is under rules and regulations.
So the iPhone 6S, a phone all the tech magazines, and a fair few websites, did not place at the top was placed at the top by Antutu and you used that as an example they aren't biased? You'll need to try harder than that.

And I will slate a phone where it deserves it or it's maker, I do not have some secret vendetor in doing so though and that's the difference. For instance it would be nice if the phone I spent £619, amongst the most expensive phone on the UK market, would let me input text using it's built in SMS app when I tilt it on it's side...............

http://www.antutu.com/en/view.shtml?id=8161
http://www.antutu.com/en/view.shtml?id=8171

Not to be lazy, but reading it from them would likely be best. They changed their testing.
 

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The S7 will be more powerful than the A9. I'm not so sure that the 820 will, though. I'm foreseeing random issues with heating on some phones that cause it to throttle.
You may want to read up on the 820. It is a completely new chip, built from the ground up. Everything is new, even the 14nm process that made it. It is actually pretty interesting to read all that was done.

That said, as long as Apple sticks to an antiquated 1080p and lower screen resolution, it will push out higher benchmarks.
 
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