iPhone 6s Plus scores 43% higher in AnTuTu than highest Android score, iPad Pro 100% higher

[jamezr]

You have still failed to prove, as has anyone else, as to why the iPhone 6S score doubled under the new Antutu version 6, and again I trust sites that are fair and tech magazines a LOT more then some random bloke on YouTube who answers to no one or a website that answers to no one. Printed press is under regulations and rules, a You Tube personality is not, neither a random website so far as I know.
My previous comment still stands against you as you have failed to offer anything new.



You mean apart from the MILLIONS who watch media on their phones, even their videos taken with their phones, every single day. Sure it's not a bad screen, and it allows Apple to put puny sized battery's into the iPhone to increase profit margin even further/ make a thinner phone, but the day they use OLED and increase resolutions it's fans will think they've reinvented the phone! Despite Apple being several years late to that party.

I have the 6s+ and Note 5. Both phones are AWESOME! the battery life on my 6s+ is better than the N5 but not by that much. But standby times and while not in use the 6s+ is pretty great on battery life. Speed and overall responsiveness the N5 is quicker to me. Then the screens are night and day apart. the N5 screen is just soooo much better. The colors pop and it is easier imho to read and stare at for the lengths of time we all use our phones.


I think it is a glaring point of contention for anyone with a brain that Antutu redoes the testing methods and suddenly the iphone what doubles it's scores? C'mon.......anyone that even pretends to be realistic has to question that!
Then all the people here touting these benchmarks....when something beats the present iphone scores....will you give props to the new high score winner? Or will you just poo poo the results if the iphone loses. Remember we have what you have been saying in writing....so the reverse holds true when the present scores fall.......and fall they will have no doubt about that. It's just a matter of time. There is always something better faster around the corner.

 

[Andres Cantu]

I have the 6s+ and Note 5. Both phones are AWESOME! the battery life on my 6s+ is better than the N5 but not by that much. But standby times and while not in use the 6s+ is pretty great on battery life. Speed and overall responsiveness the N5 is quicker to me. Then the screens are night and day apart. the N5 screen is just soooo much better. The colors pop and it is easier imho to read and stare at for the lengths of time we all use our phones.


I think it is a glaring point of contention for anyone with a brain that Antutu redoes the testing methods and suddenly the iphone what doubles it's scores? C'mon.......anyone that even pretends to be realistic has to question that!
Then all the people here touting these benchmarks....when something beats the present iphone scores....will you give props to the new high score winner? Or will you just poo poo the results if the iphone loses. Remember we have what you have been saying in writing....so the reverse holds true when the present scores fall.......and fall they will have no doubt about that. It's just a matter of time. There is always something better faster around the corner.

Here's what I would say about the 820 and the 8890. If they manage to only match the A9's score (or not exceed), then I would not give props to them because technically they're 6-month-newer chips. If they beat the A9's score by at least 10,000, then I would acknowledge that and give them props for their score. Finally, if the A10 does not score more than around 160,000, then I would not give props to Apple (it goes both ways, I can see them getting lazy this year when it comes to performance and wait for the 7s and A11 for the big improvements).

Things would be so much easier if the A-chips would be released around the same time as the rest of the chips, as that would be a more fair comparison.
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Wow, that much higher than mine.

For comparison, here is my 6S Plus

And my 6S.

Thanks for sharing those images, it's clear that the Note 5 scores around 80,000 and not 120,000. Must have been modified like the Note 5 that scored much higher in GeekBench.

 

[Michael Goff]

It is outdated. Even for TV's now. For cheaper phones, tablets and TV's it is fine. For flagship devices, it is antiquated. 750p even more so! Apple keeps their resolution liw for two reasons: 1. Cheaper displays and more profit for their pockets and 2. Enables Apple to get good battery life and performance from what is otherwise a mid-range hardware phone.

This is fine for short term goals, but when Apple finally moves to QHD AMOLED screens and higher dpi resolution, they are going to pay the piper in performance loss. Take a look at the Apple Watch as a prime example of Apple trying to match Android Wear Watches. The low performance, lag and piss poor battery life is atrocious for the price tag.

TV: Consoles push 1080p at less than 60frames and most video content is 1080p
Phones: Same thing, really. They're likely going to be watching 1080p YT or less, since they have to pay for data.
Tablets: This is the only frontier where you might be close to right. But then we are stuck with not much content in 4K.

Note 5 is pushing more pixels

What are the iphone 6 scores minus the 3d bench?

And nice comparing a tablet soc to a phone soc.I can go bust out a nvidia k1 bench with its 300 gpu cores if u want to compare tablet socs

Why not, then? I'm curious.

 

[Blaze4G]

Here's what I would say about the 820 and the 8890. If they manage to only match the A9's score (or not exceed), then I would not give props to them because technically they're 6-month-newer chips. If they beat the A9's score by at least 10,000, then I would acknowledge that and give them props for their score. Finally, if the A10 does not score more than around 160,000, then I would not give props to Apple (it goes both ways, I can see them getting lazy this year when it comes to performance and wait for the 7s and A11 for the big improvements).

Things would be so much easier if the A-chips would be released around the same time as the rest of the chips, as that would be a more fair comparison.
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Thanks for sharing those images, it's clear that the Note 5 scores around 80,000 and not 120,000. Must have been modified like the Note 5 that scored much higher in GeekBench.

On the previous version of antutu, they placed more emphasis on cpu. The new version places emphasis on gpu.
The note 5 gpu is not as good as the one found in the 6p or iPhone 6s. Hence the note 5 scored 120,000 in previous antutu but much lower now in the new antutu.

I am not sure why antutu changed their method of scoring.

If antutu changed their scoring method to place more emphasis on cpu instead of gpu, the note 5 would beat the 6s. I don't see why gpu gets so much emphasis in the new version. I think the cpu is much more important in mobile devices. The reason I say this is because the note 5 performs much better than the 6p in launching games and doing process intensive things. So why does the note 5 score similar to 6p since it launches large apps so much quicker? Does not make sense.

For anyone who says gpu is just as important as cpu in mobile devices, have you ever heard anyone complain about gaming on note 5?

 

[Andres Cantu]

On the previous version of antutu, they placed more emphasis on cpu. The new version places emphasis on gpu.
The note 5 gpu is not as good as the one found in the 6p or iPhone 6s. Hence the note 5 scored 120,000 in previous antutu but much lower now in the new antutu.

I am not sure why antutu changed their method of scoring.

If antutu changed their scoring method to place more emphasis on cpu instead of gpu, the note 5 would beat the 6s. I don't see why gpu gets so much emphasis in the new version. I think the cpu is much more important in mobile devices. The reason I say this is because the note 5 performs much better than the 6p in launching games and doing process intensive things. So why does the note 5 score similar to 6p since it launches large apps so much quicker? Does not make sense.

For anyone who says gpu is just as important as cpu in mobile devices, have you ever heard anyone complain about gaming on note 5?

I don't think the 6P is a good device to use for comparison, or any 810 device for that matter. I won't argue that the Note 5 doesn't have a superb SoC, because it certainly does (especially in multi-threaded tasks). But I will say that next year will be a year with much better comparisons, since it will be the first time in a long time that Qualcomm releases an SoC that can compete (801 was just a higher-clocked version of the 800, 805 only had better graphics, and 810...well, you know).

 

[nj1266]

You have still failed to prove, as has anyone else, as to why the iPhone 6S score doubled under the new Antutu version 6, and again I trust sites that are fair and tech magazines a LOT more then some random bloke on YouTube who answers to no one or a website that answers to no one. Printed press is under regulations and rules, a You Tube personality is not, neither a random website so far as I know.
My previous comment still stands against you as you have failed to offer anything new.

We know why. It has been mentioned in this thread. Antutu updated the way they test phones to reflect what THEY BELIEVE is a more accurate reflection of the way people use their phones. Again, Antutu 6 supersedes Antutu 5, so moving forward, like it or not, that is the one that magazines must use to test phones. The PC mag test is OLD using Antutu 5. That is why their results are different. Using the NEW Antutu 6, as Antutu did, crowns the iPhone 6s the winner. I know you are pissed by that and you do not want to accept reality, but it is what it is. You can keep using the old Antutu standard, but the new standard is what will be used from now on. Here is the link one more time so you can see it is from Antutu

http://www.antutu.com/en/view.shtml?id=8184#

 

[Blaze4G]

We know why. It has been mentioned in this thread. Antutu updated the way they test phones to reflect what THEY BELIEVE is a more accurate reflection of the way people use their phones. Again, Antutu 6 supersedes Antutu 5, so moving forward, like it or not, that is the one that magazines must use to test phones. The PC mag test is OLD using Antutu 5. That is why their results are different. Using the NEW Antutu 6, as Antutu did, crowns the iPhone 6s the winner. I know you are pissed by that and you do not want to accept reality, but it is what it is. You can keep using the old Antutu standard, but the new standard is what will be used from now on. Here is the link one more time so you can see it is from Antutu

http://www.antutu.com/en/view.shtml?id=8184#

Do you believe the new version is a better representation of how people use their phone?

I don't think so. Majority of consumers don't sit around and game on their phones, much less play intensive games. So I feel confident saying it is not a better representation in my opinion.
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I don't think the 6P is a good device to use for comparison, or any 810 device for that matter. I won't argue that the Note 5 doesn't have a superb SoC, because it certainly does (especially in multi-threaded tasks). But I will say that next year will be a year with much better comparisons, since it will be the first time in a long time that Qualcomm releases an SoC that can compete (801 was just a higher-clocked version of the 800, 805 only had better graphics, and 810...well, you know).

Okay so you agree the 810 was not really good right?
And you also agree the exynos in the note 5 is superb.
Then do you agree with the exynos scoring similarly to the 810 in antutu? I would assume not right?

Hence my point, the new scoring method does not make sense. Since I believe the exynos to be much much better than the 810. However going by antutu 6.0, the exynos is marginally better than the 810.

 

[nj1266]

On the previous version of antutu, they placed more emphasis on cpu. The new version places emphasis on gpu.
The note 5 gpu is not as good as the one found in the 6p or iPhone 6s. Hence the note 5 scored 120,000 in previous antutu but much lower now in the new antutu.

I am not sure why antutu changed their method of scoring.

If antutu changed their scoring method to place more emphasis on cpu instead of gpu, the note 5 would beat the 6s. I don't see why gpu gets so much emphasis in the new version. I think the cpu is much more important in mobile devices. The reason I say this is because the note 5 performs much better than the 6p in launching games and doing process intensive things. So why does the note 5 score similar to 6p since it launches large apps so much quicker? Does not make sense.

For anyone who says gpu is just as important as cpu in mobile devices, have you ever heard anyone complain about gaming on note 5?

Antutu did the reverse. They changed their testing to reflect GPU intensive use probably because people now use their smartphones for GPU intensive tasks. If you are really interested in knowing why, then shoot them an email and see what they tell. It is clear though that from now on Antutu 6 will be used to test smartphones. People are free to quote the old standard, but it is old and has been overtaken by the new standard.

 

[Blaze4G]

Antutu did the reverse. They changed their testing to reflect GPU intensive use probably because people now use their smartphones for GPU intensive tasks. If you are really interested in knowing why, then shoot them an email and see what they tell. It is clear though that from now on Antutu 6 will be used to test smartphones. People are free to quote the old standard, but it is old and has been overtaken by the new standard.

Not sure why you're repeating what I just said.

Could you answer two questions for me.

1. Would you prefer to have a better gpu than cpu?

2. Would you prefer to have the note 5 hardware or the 6p hardware? Please don't mention the 6s, choose from the note 5 or 6p.

 

[Andres Cantu]

Do you believe the new version is a better representation of how people use their phone?

I don't think so. Majority of consumers don't sit around and game on their phones, much less play intensive games. So I feel confident saying it is not a better representation in my opinion.
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Okay so you agree the 810 was not really good right?
And you also agree the exynos in the note 5 is superb.
Then do you agree with the exynos scoring similarly to the 810 in antutu? I would assume not right?

Hence my point, the new scoring method does not make sense. Since I believe the exynos to be much much better than the 810. However going by antutu 6.0, the exynos is marginally better than the 810.

You assume correctly, that is what I believe. The 810 is nowhere near as good as the Exynos in terms of CPU (but not in terms of GPU).

I don't know AnTuTu's exact methods of calculating their scores, but I will say that I'm glad they bumped-up the A9 to where it is now: there is no way the 810 was anywhere close to the A9 as AnTuTu 5.0 showed.

 

[mi7chy]

Synthetic benchmarks are paid marketing tools that's why they're useless. Much prefer real app performance. Exynos 7422 is faster with real apps while A9 is only good for synthetic benchmarks. Also, if you want to benchmark real world performance like rar or 7zip compression they're not available on iOS.

 

[nj1266]

Not sure why you're repeating what I just said.

Could you answer two questions for me.

1. Would you prefer to have a better gpu than cpu?

2. Would you prefer to have the note 5 hardware or the 6p hardware? Please don't mention the 6s, choose from the note 5 or 6p.

I want a daily phone that gives me the least bit of aggravation on a daily basis. Whichever Android phone does that, then I will take it. I honestly have a problem with both of these phones. The 6p has a bending problem. I got rid of my 6 and got the 6s Plus in part because of the bending problem. The Note 5 has TW which is a very heavy skin. It also have an aggressive ram management profile. I hated the lack of enough ram on my 6 and I do not want to deal with that. I love the exynos chip in the Note 5. It is a much better chip than the 810 on the 6p. Both of these phones present problems for me.

 

[Blaze4G]

You assume correctly, that is what I believe. The 810 is nowhere near as good as the Exynos in terms of CPU (but not in terms of GPU).

I don't know AnTuTu's exact methods of calculating their scores, but I will say that I'm glad they bumped-up the A9 to where it is now: there is no way the 810 was anywhere close to the A9 as AnTuTu 5.0 showed.

I agree with you. I also haven't heard anyone complain about gaming in the note 5 so the gpu can't be bad imo.

I also agree the 810 is nowhere near the A9. So I think both antutu 5.0 and 6.0 are flawed. The 810 should be nowhere close to the exynos or A9. The A9 should not be so far ahead of the exynos. I do agree the A9 should be ahead of the exynos though.
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I want a daily phone that gives me the least bit of aggravation on a daily basis. Whichever Android phone does that, then I will take it. I honestly have a problem with both of these phones. The 6p has a bending problem. I got rid of my 6 and got the 6s Plus in part because of the bending problem. The Note 5 has TW which is a very heavy skin. It also have an aggressive ram management profile. I hated the lack of enough ram on my 6 and I do not want to deal with that. I love the exynos chip in the Note 5. It is a much better chip than the 810 on the 6p. Both of these phones present problems for me.

I specifically said which "hardware" you prefer. Referring to cpu, gpu. Not the casing or software of each phone.

Hence my point, you would prefer the exynos over the 810, just like almost everyone would. However the 810 gpu is better. So can I deduce you prefer a better cpu over gpu?

Then this is my point, cpu matters more to consumers than gpu. So I don't see why antutu focused so much more on gpu.

As I said earlier, both 5.0 and 6.0 antutu are flawed. Because in the previous version of antutu, the a9 and 810 is almost on par which should not happen. In the new version, the exynos and 810 is on par. You already stated you think the exynos is a much better chip than the 810. But the new antutu says otherwise which should not be.

 

[apolloa]

None of these benchmark apps are reliable really with the stories of some manufactures cheating.. Make no odds in the day to day use for sure RAM is more important these day's. Apple could be cheating for all we know, I bet that would be kept quiet if they were...

It's just willy waving at the end of the day, nothing more.

And hence my first post in this thread above........... which is VERY true, if you ignore the Apple cheating bit. CPU and GPU are fast enough, sure they will make them faster and faster, but they are fast enough now. RAM is the most important thing, and it's nice to see Apple FINALLY wake up to this fact, which is a fact many many many people on this site chose to pretend to not exist or matter.

 

[Blaze4G]

And hence my first post in this thread above........... which is VERY true, if you ignore the Apple cheating bit. CPU and GPU are fast enough, sure they will make them faster and faster, but they are fast enough now. RAM is the most important thing, and it's nice to see Apple FINALLY wake up to this fact, which is a fact many many many people on this site chose to pretend to not exist or matter.

I wouldn't say CPU is fast enough. I agree to an extent that I am quite content with current chipsets. However I would much prefer if every single app opened instantly (including games). Until then, I can't say they are fast enough.

 

[Andres Cantu]

I wouldn't say CPU is fast enough. I agree to an extent that I am quite content with current chipsets. However I would much prefer if every single app opened instantly (including games). Until then, I can't say they are fast enough.

That's a good point. The A8 was fast at opening games, but the A9 is noticeably faster.

And I agree, at some point, games will be able to load instantly.

 

[Michael Goff]

Not sure why you're repeating what I just said.

Could you answer two questions for me.

1. Would you prefer to have a better gpu than cpu?

2. Would you prefer to have the note 5 hardware or the 6p hardware? Please don't mention the 6s, choose from the note 5 or 6p.

I can answer you. Yes, I prefer the GPU being beefed up more than the CPU. More things are being pushed to the GPU than ever before. If you look at DX12, Vulkan, and Metal? All of them are lowering the CPU load.

 

[lowendlinux]

The new Antutu is a huge change and that change cost my phone some epeen but that's OK.

 

[nj1266]

I agree with you. I also haven't heard anyone complain about gaming in the note 5 so the gpu can't be bad imo.

I also agree the 810 is nowhere near the A9. So I think both antutu 5.0 and 6.0 are flawed. The 810 should be nowhere close to the exynos or A9. The A9 should not be so far ahead of the exynos. I do agree the A9 should be ahead of the exynos though.
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I specifically said which "hardware" you prefer. Referring to cpu, gpu. Not the casing or software of each phone.

Hence my point, you would prefer the exynos over the 810, just like almost everyone would. However the 810 gpu is better. So can I deduce you prefer a better cpu over gpu?

Then this is my point, cpu matters more to consumers than gpu. So I don't see why antutu focused so much more on gpu.

As I said earlier, both 5.0 and 6.0 antutu are flawed. Because in the previous version of antutu, the a9 and 810 is almost on par which should not happen. In the new version, the exynos and 810 is on par. You already stated you think the exynos is a much better chip than the 810. But the new antutu says otherwise which should not be.

The reasonI prefer the exynos chip is because it does not have an overheating problem. The 810 chip does. It has nothing to do with CPU or GPU. It overheats and the OEMs have had to devise throttling strategies to reduce its heat. It is a bad chip. Samsung recognized that and used their own in house chip.

You do not decide the benchmark. Antutu does. Antutu saw fit to design a new benchmark that favors GPU over CPU. They probably have done studies that show that people are using their smartphones for GPU intensive activities. They wanted their benchmark to reflect that. That does not mean that version 6 is flawed. It might mean that Antutu's version 6 better reflects consumer smartphone usage.

 

[MRU]

The reasonI prefer the exynos chip is because it does not have an overheating problem. The 810 chip does. It has nothing to do with CPU or GPU. It overheats and the OEMs have had to devise throttling strategies to reduce its heat. It is a bad chip. Samsung recognized that and used their own in house chip.

I do wonder what magic Huawei have done with the 810 in the 6P. It seems against the 810 tide by not overheating at all... and performance is up there with the Exynos in the 2015 flagship Samsungs's.

 

[nj1266]

I do wonder what magic Huawei have done with the 810 in the 6P. It seems against the 810 tide by not overheating at all...

Anandtech has your answer. Go read their extensive test on the 6p.

 

[Andres Cantu]

The reasonI prefer the exynos chip is because it does not have an overheating problem. The 810 chip does. It has nothing to do with CPU or GPU. It overheats and the OEMs have had to devise throttling strategies to reduce its heat. It is a bad chip. Samsung recognized that and used their own in house chip.

You do not decide the benchmark. Antutu does. Antutu saw fit to design a new benchmark that favors GPU over CPU. They probably have done studies that show that people are using their smartphones for GPU intensive activities. They wanted their benchmark to reflect that. That does not mean that version 6 is flawed. It might mean that Antutu's version 6 better reflects consumer smartphone usage.

That is true. I hope they didn't make a mistake by having two different S7 versions (if that rumor is true, which more than likely is).

I do wonder what magic Huawei have done with the 810 in the 6P. It seems against the 810 tide by not overheating at all... and performance is up there with the Exynos in the 2015 flagship Samsungs's.

Yes, that certainly was impressive. Things should get more interesting this year when all the flagship phones have their own unique SoC's. Seems to me like Qualcomm will not have a monopoly like they used to a couple of years ago.

 

[jamezr]

Here's what I would say about the 820 and the 8890. If they manage to only match the A9's score (or not exceed), then I would not give props to them because technically they're 6-month-newer chips. If they beat the A9's score by at least 10,000, then I would acknowledge that and give them props for their score.

so you're setting it up for the for when/if the newer chips beat the A9....but the chips in the S6 and N5 were released almost a year ago now. The A9 is what...3 months old? So c'mon now hold them all to the same standards!

 

[Andres Cantu]

so you're setting it up for the for when/if the newer chips beat the A9....but the chips in the S6 and N5 were released almost a year ago now. The A9 is what...3 months old? So c'mon now hold them all to the same standards!

The Exynos and the A-chips are released around 6-months apart from each other. If anything, it's Samsung's fault for not releasing a newer SoC in the Note 5 like they used to in previous years (instead, they just gave the Note 5 an extra gig of RAM to compensate for the same performance as the S6). We've seen this before with the SIII, which had a slower SoC with 2GB of RAM in the U.S. and a faster SoC with only 1GB of RAM for the international version, and I wouldn't be surprised if they kept the 3GB of RAM for the 8890 version of the S7 and give 4GB of RAM for the 820 version.

Like I mentioned before, it's hard to compare SoC's because they are never released around the same time.

 

[Blaze4G]

I do wonder what magic Huawei have done with the 810 in the 6P. It seems against the 810 tide by not overheating at all... and performance is up there with the Exynos in the 2015 flagship Samsungs's.

I read somewhere that they basically used the screen as a heat sink. Behind the screen is a large thin metal that runs behind the whole screen. Thermal compound was applied on this metal to the cpu. I think that's why the top of the screen is where usually feels warmer to me than anywhere else on the phone.
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The reasonI prefer the exynos chip is because it does not have an overheating problem. The 810 chip does. It has nothing to do with CPU or GPU. It overheats and the OEMs have had to devise throttling strategies to reduce its heat. It is a bad chip. Samsung recognized that and used their own in house chip.

You do not decide the benchmark. Antutu does. Antutu saw fit to design a new benchmark that favors GPU over CPU. They probably have done studies that show that people are using their smartphones for GPU intensive activities. They wanted their benchmark to reflect that. That does not mean that version 6 is flawed. It might mean that Antutu's version 6 better reflects consumer smartphone usage.

Okay so if the 810 did not overheat you would take either the exynos or 810 right? Even though the exynos launches apps much quicker.