iPhone 6s Plus scores 43% higher in AnTuTu than highest Android score, iPad Pro 100% higher

[jamezr]

The Exynos and the A-chips are released around 6-months apart from each other. If anything, it's Samsung's fault for not releasing a newer SoC in the Note 5 like they used to in previous years (instead, they just gave the Note 5 an extra gig of RAM to compensate for the same performance as the S6). We've seen this before with the SIII, which had a slower SoC with 2GB of RAM in the U.S. and a faster SoC with only 1GB of RAM for the international version, and I wouldn't be surprised if they kept the 3GB of RAM for the 8890 version of the S7 and give 4GB of RAM for the 820 version.

Like I mentioned before, it's hard to compare SoC's because they are never released around the same time.

no...the S6 was released almost a year ago with the Exynos 7420 AND the same chipset in the Note 5. You are putting them up against the brand new A9...then you are hedging your bet by saying even if the new chips rumored to be in the S7 beats the A9 then thats no big deal because the A9 is a few months old and they are newer. But you have no qualms about bragging the A9 beats the now year old chips in the S6 and Note 5. yeah dude...thats totally fair to me NOT

 

[Andres Cantu]

no...the S6 was released almost a year ago with the Exynos 7420 AND the same chipset in the Note 5. You are putting them up against the brand new A9...then you are hedging your bet by saying even if the new chips rumored to be in the S7 beats them thats no big deal because the A9 is a few months old and they are newer. But you have no qualms about bragging the A9 beats the now year old chips in the S6 and Note 5. yeah dude...thats totally fair to me NOT

But you're making it seem like the 7420 is already a year old, which it isn't. The S6 was released on April 10, 2016, so I'll count that as the date the 7420 was released. The 6s was released on September 25, 2015, so the A9 was released around 5.5 months after the 7420.

I can say this: if the 8890 or the 820 manage to beat the A9 and also hold their own against the A10, then I'll give them the same props I'm giving to the A9 for the same reasons. Does that sound fair? In other words, I'll give Apple a hard time if the A10 turns out to be like the A8 (25% better CPU and 50% better GPU), because that's the only way Apple would lose their current lead.

 

[nj1266]

I read somewhere that they basically used the screen as a heat sink. Behind the screen is a large thin metal that runs behind the whole screen. Thermal compound was applied on this metal to the cpu. I think that's why the top of the screen is where usually feels warmer to me than anywhere else on the phone.
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Okay so if the 810 did not overheat you would take either the exynos or 810 right? Even though the exynos launches apps much quicker.

You probably read it on Anandtech. That is the only place I saw it mentioned:

"The Nexus 6P looks to be among one of the better designs fit for the chipset. As we see in iFixit’s teardown of the device, the SoC rests against the metal mid-frame of the Nexus 6P and even has thermal paste applied to it to allow for better thermal conductivity. This seems to allow for the whole display assembly to act as a heat sink, giving the 6P considerably more thermal headroom when compared to other devices."

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9820/the-google-nexus-6p-review/4

That is not the way I purchase phones. I purchase the phone that will give me the least amount of grief. I want an all around good phone. I am not looking for excellence in one area (CPU, GPU, Camera, Display, battery life) rather I look for a phone that is good in all areas. That is why I picked the iPhone 4 over the HTC Thunderbolt when I was first shopping for a smartphone. These were my two choice from Verizon at the time. I picked the iPhone 4 and never looked to switch.

 

[jamezr]

But you're making it seem like the 7420 is already a year old, which it isn't. The S6 was released on April 10, 2016, so I'll count that as the date the 7420 was released. The 6s was released on September 25, 2015, so the A9 was released around 5.5 months after the 7420.

I can say this: if the 8890 or the 820 manage to beat the A9 and also hold their own against the A10, then I'll give them the same props I'm giving to the A9 for the same reasons. Does that sound fair? In other words, I'll give Apple a hard time if the A10 turns out to be like the A8 (25% better CPU and 50% better GPU), because that's the only way Apple would lose their current lead.

oh c'mon...the 820 and 8890 has to beat both the A9 and A10 but the A9 only has to beat the 7420?

 

[Andres Cantu]

oh c'mon...the 820 and 8890 has to beat both the A9 and A10 but the A9 only has to beat the 7420?

I didn't say that the 820 and 8890 have to beat the A10, I said "hold their own" which means within the same ballpark.

I'm expecting the A9 to hold its own against both the 820 and the 8890, so I'm not giving it any special treatment either if that's what you're implying.

 

[Fernandez21]

Not sure what this means, but here is one from my 5S. Just slightly lower than what my Note 5 got.

 

[Truefan31]

Geez here we go again lol.

Honestly I'm pessimistic of a huge leap for the a10. It'll probably be a minor improvement in performance over the a9 since the a9 was a big jump. But the 6s line is already amongst the best in most benchmarks. I don't see it becoming a dinosaur in a year. All these flagships are powerful.

I expect the new android oems to have powerful chips this year too. But imo Apple is the best in merging hardware and software for optimal performance. I know most of the time I'll never push it to the limits but it's nice knowing the capability is there.

 

[Truefan31]

so you're setting it up for the for when/if the newer chips beat the A9....but the chips in the S6 and N5 were released almost a year ago now. The A9 is what...3 months old? So c'mon now hold them all to the same standards!

How is it that the exynos chip is a year old yet the a9 is only 3 months old? The s6 was released in what April, the note 5 was August and the 6s was September. So u think the a9 was created overnight before the iPhone release? Guess the custom nand controller was a couple hours before the event huh. Lol

 

[Truefan31]

You have still failed to prove, as has anyone else, as to why the iPhone 6S score doubled under the new Antutu version 6, and again I trust sites that are fair and tech magazines a LOT more then some random bloke on YouTube who answers to no one or a website that answers to no one. Printed press is under regulations and rules, a You Tube personality is not, neither a random website so far as I know.
My previous comment still stands against you as you have failed to offer anything new.



You mean apart from the MILLIONS who watch media on their phones, even their videos taken with their phones, every single day. Sure it's not a bad screen, and it allows Apple to put puny sized battery's into the iPhone to increase profit margin even further/ make a thinner phone, but the day they use OLED and increase resolutions it's fans will think they've reinvented the phone! Despite Apple being several years late to that party.

It's your opinion but honestly Linus is to many a well respected source of all things tech. And he has historically been anti Apple.

I think it's already been stated the new antutu puts emphasis on the gpu as well as the cpu. So if you go by the scores it's showing the 6s line to be a powerful cpu/gpu combo, right now more so than most other flagships. But 2016 should bring new flagships and new scores.

 

[Andres Cantu]

Geez here we go again lol.

Honestly I'm pessimistic of a huge leap for the a10. It'll probably be a minor improvement in performance over the a9 since the a9 was a big jump. But the 6s line is already amongst the best in most benchmarks. I don't see it becoming a dinosaur in a year. All these flagships are powerful.

I expect the new android oems to have powerful chips this year too. But imo Apple is the best in merging hardware and software for optimal performance. I know most of the time I'll never push it to the limits but it's nice knowing the capability is there.

Exactly my opinions as well.

How is it that the exynos chip is a year old yet the a9 is only 3 months old? The s6 was released in what April, the note 5 was August and the 6s was September. So u think the a9 was created overnight before the iPhone release? Guess the custom nand controller was a couple hours before the event huh. Lol

Great points. People never mention the iPhone 6s's custom nand controller. I wonder why?

 

[jamezr]

How is it that the exynos chip is a year old yet the a9 is only 3 months old? The s6 was released in what April, the note 5 was August and the 6s was September. So u think the a9 was created overnight before the iPhone release? Guess the custom nand controller was a couple hours before the event huh. Lol

really? Don't they all have the same Exynos 7420 chipset? So its the same chipset Exynos 7420 that was in the S6 since it was announced last March. Wasn't the A9 announced in what Sept or Oct?

 

[Truefan31]

really? Don't they all have the same Exynos 7420 chipset? So its the same chipset Exynos 7420 that was in the S6 since it was announced last March. Wasn't the A9 announced in what Sept or Oct?

Right so the a9 in sept or October ( I don't think October is right seeing how the 6s was out before then) was developed and mass produced in a month or less.

Geez it's not like the exynos is a slouch or anything. It's a beast (although its single core performance could be better imo). Obviously most aren't complaining about the gpu either. But the a9 is also a beast, and for now its benchmarking really well, especially its gpu performance as well which probably explains the antutu scores.

 

[Truefan31]

Exactly my opinions as well.


Great points. People never mention the iPhone 6s's custom nand controller. I wonder why?

That nand controller really surprised everyone. It's basically on another level from previous iPhones and my understanding from reviews is that it's advanced past the competition currently.

 

[Fernandez21]

That nand controller really surprised everyone. It's basically on another level from previous iPhones and my understanding from reviews is that it's advanced past the competition currently.

Yeah, I remember when Samsung came out with theirs with the GS6 and it was pretty fast, but the one on the iPhone is just much faster. I can't wait till others catch up.

 

[Truefan31]

Yeah, I remember when Samsung came out with theirs with the GS6 and it was pretty fast, but the one on the iPhone is just much faster. I can't wait till others catch up.

Yeah I remember others touting the speed of the s6 and there was a thread claiming Samsung got rid of the sd because of support for the faster storage and it wasn't a money thing at all lol. Now there's rumors the sd is coming back so I guess Samsung changed their minds lol.

Now the nand controller of the 6s came and basically was advanced to the point that nobody mentions it because everyone knows it was a game changer.

 

[jamezr]

Yeah I remember others touting the speed of the s6 and there was a thread claiming Samsung got rid of the sd because of support for the faster storage and it wasn't a money thing at all lol. Now there's rumors the sd is coming back so I guess Samsung changed their minds lol.

Now the nand controller of the 6s came and basically was advanced to the point that nobody mentions it because everyone knows it was a game changer.

They changed their minds (maybe the controller too) and gave the consumer what they wanted. I wish Apple would do that and add a sd card slot on the IP7! That would be so nice and maybe a filesystem too!
Rumors are Apple is following Samsung and adding wireless charging. Hopefully they won't make wireless charging something proprietary and use the existing standards that are out there. This way we can use the wireless chargers we have and not have to buy a specifically Apple branded charger.
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Right so the a9 in sept or October ( I don't think October is right seeing how the 6s was out before then) was developed and mass produced in a month or less.

Geez it's not like the exynos is a slouch or anything. It's a beast (although its single core performance could be better imo). Obviously most aren't complaining about the gpu either. But the a9 is also a beast, and for now its benchmarking really well, especially its gpu performance as well which probably explains the antutu scores.

So why didn't it score that well at first? Why did it take Antutu to redo their testing then it almost doubled its scores?
I think the A9 is great in my 6s+. Competition is great and this will spur the rest to up their game!

 

[Truefan31]

They changed their minds (maybe the controller too) and gave the consumer what they wanted. I wish Apple would do that and add a sd card slot on the IP7! That would be so nice and maybe a filesystem too!
Rumors are Apple is following Samsung and adding wireless charging. Hopefully they won't make wireless charging something proprietary and use the existing standards that are out there. This way we can use the wireless chargers we have and not have to buy a specifically Apple branded charger.
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So why didn't it score that well at first? Why did it take Antutu to redo their testing then it almost doubled its scores?
I think the A9 is great in my 6s+. Competition is great and this will spur the rest to up their game!

Wireless charging could be good if done right. No slow charging. For some reason I thought the lumias were the first phones with inductive charging. But I may be wrong. So be it. I hope if Apple goes that route that it's done right. Apple normally does. Honestly I'm thinking it'll be proprietary.

You'll never see a sd slot imo. But 128 gb is nice and the rumored 256 gb would be nice too.

I'm hard pressed to believe Samsung nixed the sd, ir and removable battery because they thought that's what their customers wanted. Now seeing the success Apple has with this business model I'm sure they thought they could do it too. The s6 line is nice, their profit is up although their sales and market share dropped. People here were touting that ufs storage as the next revolution, it's so fast it makes iPhone a snail. Then the 6s released with a new, nvme controller that basically took things to another level. Yet nobody wants to talk about it lol.

I saw the previous antutu benchmarks. The 6s still did very well as did the note 5. I'm sure the updated antutu put a focus on the gpu hence the big improvement on the 6s. Even the note 5 saw basically a 15k increase.

Competition is great. The caveat is that imo samsungs biggest competition are the multitudes of other android oems. While Apple is affected as well I don't think it's nearly as much due to the uniqueness of their os, along with a loyal customer base, and top level customer support.

 

[jamezr]

Wireless charging could be good if done right. No slow charging. For some reason I thought the lumias were the first phones with inductive charging. But I may be wrong. So be it. I hope if Apple goes that route that it's done right. Apple normally does. Honestly I'm thinking it'll be proprietary.

You'll never see a sd slot imo. But 128 gb is nice and the rumored 256 gb would be nice too.

I'm hard pressed to believe Samsung nixed the sd, ir and removable battery because they thought that's what their customers wanted. Now seeing the success Apple has with this business model I'm sure they thought they could do it too. The s6 line is nice, their profit is up although their sales and market share dropped. People here were touting that ufs storage as the next revolution, it's so fast it makes iPhone a snail. Then the 6s released with a new, nvme controller that basically took things to another level. Yet nobody wants to talk about it lol.

I saw the previous antutu benchmarks. The 6s still did very well as did the note 5. I'm sure the updated antutu put a focus on the gpu hence the big improvement on the 6s. Even the note 5 saw basically a 15k increase.

Competition is great. The caveat is that imo samsungs biggest competition are the multitudes of other android oems. While Apple is affected as well I don't think it's nearly as much due to the uniqueness of their os, along with a loyal customer base, and top level customer support.

I didn't say Samsung was first with wireless charging. But the S6 S6+ and Note 5 has wireless charging along with a number of Android phones. Apple is finally catching up with that feature.
Then why make it proprietary? Why not use the existing standards? I think we all know why. Apple will change it just enough to be different and then charge extra for another set of accessories. The same they will be doing with the rumored removing the headphone jacks from the IP7. They want to sell everyone a new set of Beats branded lightning headphones! Now all the accessory makers will have to pay a licensing fee to apple if they want the headphones to work with the new IP7. Nothing more than a money grab.

If Samsung brings back the Sd card then it was at request of its customers. It was a not so good move to do away with them in the first place. But it looks like they may bring it back since its customer have complained and asked for it back.

The new Antutu testing benchmarks puts less emphasis on SoC and more on GPU. That's why the A9 is doing better now than it did when the IP6s was first released. Quite a change in their testing philosophy.

I agree that the low cost Chinese OEMs are Samsung's biggest challenge going forward.

 

[Truefan31]

I didn't say Samsung was first with wireless charging. But the S6 S6+ and Note 5 has wireless charging along with a number of Android phones. Apple is finally catching up with that feature.
Then why make it proprietary? Why not use the existing standards? I think we all know why. Apple will change it just enough to be different and then charge extra for another set of accessories. The same they will be doing with the rumored removing the headphone jacks from the IP7. They want to sell everyone a new set of Beats branded lightning headphones! Now all the accessory makers will have to pay a licensing fee to apple if they want the headphones to work with the new IP7. Nothing more than a money grab.

If Samsung brings back the Sd card then it was at request of its customers. It was a not so good move to do away with them in the first place. But it looks like they may bring it back since its customer have complained and asked for it back.

The new Antutu testing benchmarks puts less emphasis on SoC and more on GPU. That's why the A9 is doing better now than it did when the IP6s was first released. Quite a change in their testing philosophy.

I agree that the low cost Chinese OEMs are Samsung's biggest challenge going forward.

Apple makings things proprietary is nothing new though. You're not saying anything everyone doesn't already know. Apple normally does things well hence the success they're enjoying. They're not perfect but overall when they introduce new features it works relatively well.

Why did you ask about antutu if you already knew the answer? Others have posted as well. Again the note 5 gained significant increase in scores as well. The a9 is among the best in class, so with the gpu combo is it showing its best in class currently?

 

[jamezr]

Apple makings things proprietary is nothing new though. You're not saying anything everyone doesn't already know. Apple normally does things well hence the success they're enjoying. They're not perfect but overall when they introduce new features it works relatively well.

Why did you ask about antutu if you already knew the answer? Others have posted as well. Again the note 5 gained significant increase in scores as well. The a9 is among the best in class, so with the gpu combo is it showing its best in class currently?

C'mon...you state the obvious very....we all knew this already. so why repeat it. You know these things so why state them again. Others have also presented this as well.
The post you quoted above.....where was my question about Antutu?
You haven't answered anyone's questions about why Antutu changed its testing methods. You and others downplayed it when the a9 didn't do well after released....now all of a sudden its best in class? Antutu changed its testing methods and the a9 came out on top. But it wasn't always so. Lets see what happens when the new phones with new SoC and GPU is released and see if you change your tune then.

 

[Andres Cantu]

C'mon...you state the obvious very....we all knew this already. so why repeat it. You know these things so why state them again. Others have also presented this as well.
The post you quoted above.....where was my question about Antutu?
You haven't answered anyone's questions about why Antutu changed its testing methods. You and others downplayed it when the a9 didn't do well after released....now all of a sudden its best in class? Antutu changed its testing methods and the a9 came out on top. But it wasn't always so. Lets see what happens when the new phones with new SoC and GPU is released and see if you change your tune then.

Had you seen this GeekBench score for the Kirin 950? That is something everyone should watch out for: http://news.softpedia.com/news/huaw...eaked-sketch-reveals-full-design-499063.shtml

Apple better add a third-core to the A10, otherwise, the likely 25% speed bump is not going to cut it. The A10 needs to be to the A9 what the A6 was to the A5 and not what the A8 was to the A7.

Anyway, I'm glad all the competition this year will force Apple to improve their products rather than wait for the "S" version to bring the speed improvements (and if they don't, then no props to them ).

 

[Truefan31]

They changed their minds (maybe the controller too) and gave the consumer what they wanted. I wish Apple would do that and add a sd card slot on the IP7! That would be so nice and maybe a filesystem too!
Rumors are Apple is following Samsung and adding wireless charging. Hopefully they won't make wireless charging something proprietary and use the existing standards that are out there. This way we can use the wireless chargers we have and not have to buy a specifically Apple branded charger.
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So why didn't it score that well at first? Why did it take Antutu to redo their testing then it almost doubled its scores?
I think the A9 is great in my 6s+. Competition is great and this will spur the rest to up their game!

There's where u asked. But you knew the answer obviously so idk why you asked this question.

 

[Truefan31]

C'mon...you state the obvious very....we all knew this already. so why repeat it. You know these things so why state them again. Others have also presented this as well.
The post you quoted above.....where was my question about Antutu?
You haven't answered anyone's questions about why Antutu changed its testing methods. You and others downplayed it when the a9 didn't do well after released....now all of a sudden its best in class? Antutu changed its testing methods and the a9 came out on top. But it wasn't always so. Lets see what happens when the new phones with new SoC and GPU is released and see if you change your tune then.

I thought the a9 did very well before 6.0. And that along with its 3D scores were among the tops.

I would expect the new phones be improved vs the present. Where am I changing my tune?

So the thread should say the cpu/gpu in the 6s performed 43% better than the next top android. Is that accurate?

 

[jamezr]

I thought the a9 did very well before 6.0. And that along with its 3D scores were among the tops.

I would expect the new phones be improved vs the present. Where am I changing my tune?

So the thread should say the cpu/gpu in the 6s performed 43% better than the next top android. Is that accurate?

I think you need to read a little better. Let's see how much you like Antutu when the current scores get beat by a competitor.

 

[Truefan31]

I think you need to read a little better. Let's see how much you like Antutu when the current scores get beat by a competitor.

I'll guess I'll have to reiterate again I expect the new flagships to be better. Did you not read that earlier? Benchmarks are impressive but honestly we don't push these phones like that all the time. But to have the capability is nice. I've also said that.