iPhone 7/7+ completely useless after iOS11 upgrade

[jhagg]

I have the same freezing issue the user posted the video of on his 7, only mine is with the iPad Pro 12.9 v2. It started freezing somewhere in beta of iOS11 and has never gone away, I tried fresh re-install etc., same problem. I am now on 11.1 and the freezing still occurs for those wondering. I don't have any problems on my iPhone 8 Plus. Must be something in the configuration profile or OS core, it's highly annoying at minimum.

I am happy to say this freezing on my iPad Pro appears to be resolved in iOS 11.1 beta 4!

Update: the problem returned a day later.

 

[C DM]

You have avoided these consistently. Answer them all fully and in one post, or acknowledge your complete lack of credibility:-

1) you keep insisting on planned obsolescence being apple's business plan
A) how do you explain your own insistence that iOS 10 is faster than 9? How does that fit with planned obsolescence?
B) how do you explain the 5s being a beast all through iOS 10, 4 years through its existence? And A) mysteriously being upgraded in iOS 10?
C) please explain fully how annoying people compels them to buy more. By any established business logic that is not a good plan.

2) If you're so put upon, so abused by Apple why do you keep coming back? You say a watch, a tablet frequently. Are the alternatives fundamentally broken then? Explain.

I look forward to to your deflection, confabulation a day inability to answer these questions in a way I can't find a direct contradiction in your post history.

It's already been admitted that planned obsolescence doesn't fit in if it conveniently could be ruled out when needed and conveniently brought in when needed in other situations. There isn't really anything more to explain there as it's all just there in plain words. There can certainly be revisionism, spin, deflections, movement of goal posts, straw men, and all kind of other things though (which simply attempt to distract and distort, but don't actually change anything).

I agree iOS 10 is better than 9.Planned obsolescence won't work this time as Apple is trying really hard to get people NOT to buy the iPhone 7 with hardly any new features

 

[Radon87000]

It's already been admitted that planned obsolescence doesn't fit in if it conveniently could be ruled out when needed and conveniently brought in when needed in other situations. There isn't really anything more to explain there as it's all just there in plain words. There can certainly be revisionism, spin, deflections, movement of goal posts, straw men, and all kind of other things though (which simply attempt to distract and distort, but don't actually change anything).

As long as the end result is a slower phone who cares what the intermediate releases are. iPhone 6 is back to Square one on iOS 11 anyway. The destination is more important than the journey

 

[davidb8]

Exact same problems. Cant fix it with resets.

Crashing all the time. After it unfreezes, audio is way off.. don't get the overlay when adjusting volume, alarms aren't going off, Spotify controls disappear from lock screen and control centre only lets me control apple music. Cant adjust ringer volume or app volumes.

Restarting the phone fixes it until the next freeze. If it freezes late at night and I forget to reset the phone my alarms don't go off in the morning.


Shocking iOS release. Add all the other bugs and stupid changes it has made my 7+ the worst phone I've ever owned

 

[Hans300]

New iOS version HAVE to be faster and better than the old one - otherwise its **** and not ready for release to the public

I guess with iOS 11 they will loose a lot of customers

Planned obsolescence doesn't work on high-priced premium products.

I am a big Apple fan since iPhone 1 but every year the same story that the old iOS is better than the new one is annoying. Also the prices which get higher and higher every year.

 

[Feenician]

Planned obsolescence doesn't work on high-priced premium products.

Of course it doesn’t. Yet, every year we hear Apple are doing it and every year more people buy iPhones. Odd that, isn’t it?

1) I am now not looking at iPhone 6 in isolation on iOS 10 vs iOS 9. I look at the iPhone 6 on how it is now as against how it was when I bought it. I admit iOS 10 was better than iOS 9 on the 6. In fact when I posted those posts I was a very frustrated user coming from iOS 9. Stuttering was everywhere and iOS 10 as little as it was was a breath of fresh air and it felt nice that for once I am getting a release which at least solved the problem somewhat.

Everyone has a honeymoon phase with a new phone or a new release where everything seems awesome. Then after you use it for an extended period of time and especially after you get a new device you see the flaws. We have Dan in the beta thread saying home button delay is fixed than returning today and saying it’s not fixed.I realise this is all a mind trick employed by Apple.
You see these isolated versions where performance improves but then just forget the big picture. The performance was so bad on iOS 9 anything seemed to be an improvement and iOS 10 provided it and if you search my post history you will find a post where I say it came close to iOS 8 even but didn’t match it. They reduce performance on subsequent versions, give an impression they improved it but then when you put aside your happiness and compare it with the version it shipped with it, you realise it’s still not as fast.

I have observed similarities here with the PC GPU industry which suggests all market leaders like Apple follow a similar strategy here. NVIDIA does planned obsolescence with their video cards and everyone knows it who follow the GPU industry. When 780ti was launched it beat the AMD R9 290X. When the GTX 970 launched it beat the R9 290X but the 780ti still surpassed it in all games. As time passed, the 780ti seemed to slow down with driver updates to the point the 290X started beating it and competing with GTX 970 and even the 970 started beating it . As of now you will find the R9 290X beating the 970 and 780ti in majority games. Conveniently this happened after NVIDIA Pascal launches and here’s something you will find similar to Apple. There are games in which the driver updates are improving performance. Witcher 3 was benchmarking at 43fps as against an average of 53 and 48 on 970 and 290X respectively when it launched on 780ti and when NVIDIA released newer drivers it improved to 48 FPS. I was one of the critics of nvidia on this and even I started to believe maybe this is all false. Linus Tech Tips even made a video last month on how these driver updates increasing performance disprove the existence of planned obsolescence. But when you look at the scenario at launch this doesn’t add up. The 780ti still doesn’t beat the 970 even win performande like it did at launch. The 970 no longer beats the 290X in all games like it used to. Increasing performance is here but if you will observe it’s calculated in a way that launch day performance is not replicated.

Another uncanny similarity is that just like on Android, AMD do not engage in planned obsolescence. Their GPUs retain performance. Their driver updates are fewer compared to nvidia but these are the facts gleaned from it.

Once iOS 11.3.3 releases it will seem faster than all versions before it but it still won't be as fast as iOS 10.3.3 but being free from the stutters of,earlier versions we will forgive it.

So, summarily, avoiding al the irrelevant nonsense about video cards, “The new versions seem fast but it’s all a mind trick by Apple”. Do you realize how this sounds?

Who said it’s a beast in iOS 10? Compared to iOS 9 it’s improved but a beast? It would be a beast on the version the device shipped with.

Apple does keep upgrading devices, but the slowdowns quite frankly do not make it worth it. I give Apple’s devices a max of 3 years before they go past the tolerable limit of usability. Even on Android once Google refused to update my Nexus 7 past Marshmallow I forcefully installed a custom ROM running Nougat on it and it ran similar to how an Apple device would run after 3 yearsafter s few months. Needless to say I downgraded and went back. I prefer a usable experience over an OS version bump.

You keep making the assertion that it’s always a downward trajectory but you never offer any proof. It’s quite hard to find video of iPhone 5s on the last shipping version of its original OS vs 10.3.3 but here’s one. Some of the tests are a little messed up but where Apples are compared to Apples it’s clear that 10.3.3 is as fast or faster in nearly all ways.

Apple really suck at that planned obsolescence. Or maybe its all just a mind trick by the Sith Lord, Tim Cook

This is quite simple. People expect devices to slow down over time even though they are annoyed by it and I am talking about the average user not on this forum. I am perfectly capable of keeping my Windows installation running perfectly for 10 years on end without any reinstall or slowdown. OTOH the average user buys a PC uses it as he sees fit and after 5 years when it takes a minute to boot he doesn’t blame himself but says the PC is old and needs to be replaced. This is exactly how it goes. People buy an iPhone but as they use their devices through the years they expect it to slow down and Apple simply plays on this by not optimising the newer OS for older devices.

Ask any iPhone 6 user about how fast it runs and he will say it’s running slow but OK considering it’s a 3 year old phone. People expect devices to depreciate over time. If performance could remain same like on PC, many would not buy a new phone.

So basically the “other people are just too stupid to see it” gambit then? Or, perhaps actually applying logic, there’s just little to see. These devices don’t just slow down while being unchanged. They gain lots of new functionality as they are upgraded and do a sterling job of running an OS that is also meant for devices 2, 4, 8 times faster than them

So now comes the iPhone X. I know it comes with a Samsung panel which although won’t be a Note 8 class should still be a good panel and destroy my current LCD phone in quality. However I have my doubts about FaceID and whether it works with glasses. If it doesn’t I am returning the phone for a Note 8. At least it has an FPS as backup. If the delay for X is more than 2 months I will get the Note 8.

Prediction: what you will actually do is spend the year complaining about the panel and complaining about face unlock but still be first in line next year for the new one.

 

[Hans300]

I see nothing in this video because the screens are to bright and the camera shakes all the time

 

[Radon87000]

Of course it doesn’t. Yet, every year we hear Apple are doing it and every year more people buy iPhones. Odd that, isn’t it?

Samsung's phones literally exploded yet more and more people still buy their phones. Odd isnt it?

Hint- Unless tech giants like Apple and Samsung produce a complete **** of a phone, people will still buy it

So, summarily, avoiding al the irrelevant nonsense about video cards, “The new versions seem fast but it’s all a mind trick by Apple”. Do you realize how this sounds?

Whats so hard to understand here. They destroy performance by not optimising the iOS for older devices. Then they improve it to make it seem like they have brought it back to where it was but it will never be back to its original state. It may well be the 7 Plus will give good performance by the time we reach iOS 11.3.3 but it wont be on iOS 10.3.3's level.

You keep making the assertion that it’s always a downward trajectory but you never offer any proof.

I have been posting YouTube videos as evidence for like years.

I cant even clearly see that video. We dont need to go as back as the shipping version. Here is iOS 8.4.1 absolutely demolishing iOS 11 That gap wont be recovered by iOS 11.3.3. Its as much as 3-4 seconds in some case.

So basically the “other people are just too stupid to see it” gambit then? Or, perhaps actually applying logic, there’s just little to see.

Yes people expect devices to slow down. Ask any average Joe on the street why his iPhone 5s is slower than launch day

These devices don’t just slow down while being unchanged. They gain lots of new functionality as they are upgraded and do a sterling job of running an OS that is also meant for devices 2, 4, 8 times faster than them

So lets take the iPhone 7 for example. What functionality was added which merited this slow down. I am seeing an iMessage upgrade, some stock apps updated and more blur and visual tweaks

Prediction: what you will actually do is spend the year complaining about the panel and complaining about face unlock but still be first in line next year for the new one.

So you think we will get a flawed panel on the X?

 

[Feenician]

I cant even clearly see that video. We dont need to go as back as the shipping version. Here is iOS 8.4.1 absolutely demolishing iOS 11 That gap wont be recovered by iOS 11.3.3. Its as much as 3-4 seconds in some case.

Yeah, sure you “can’t see” it . You don’t want to acknowledge it, is the truth. Posting a video of 8.4.1 vs 11 GM is dishonest and you know it. We are all well aware that GM and even early point releases are unoptimised every year. Nothing new. I just posted PROOF (you know that word you like so much when you post a video) that the fully optimized versions of the OS that the 5s shipped with vs the fully optimized OS 4 years later is a wash. Ergo, planned obsolescence is a fantasy. All anyone needs to know.

 

[Radon87000]

Yeah, sure you “can’t see” it . You don’t want to acknowledge it, is the truth. Posting a video of 8.4.1 vs 11 GM is dishonest and you know it. We are all well aware that GM and even early point releases are unoptimised every year. Nothing new. I just posted PROOF (you know that word you like so much when you post a video) that the fully optimized versions of the OS that the 5s shipped with vs the fully optimized OS 4 years later is a wash. Ergo, planned obsolescence is a fantasy. All anyone needs to know.

I couldnt find proper videos of an anceint iOS version vs iOS 10 on 5s but found them for iPhone 5. As you can clearly see, each subsequent version of iOS is performing worse than the one before it

On this one just check the iOS 7.1.2 and iOS 9.3.5 iPhones

On iPhone 5s, iOS 9.3.5 is faster than iOS 10.3

Also note these tests also dont show the stuttering and animation lag which is a major factor in how the device feels

 

[dk001]

Fairly typical reality of the software development lifecycle.

However you would think with the breadth and scope of the betas there would be far less issues on launch. If they did not have these (betas) I could better understand.

 

[C DM]

However you would think with the breadth and scope of the betas there would be far less issues on launch. If they did not have these (betas) I could better understand.

Those who are experiencing the issues would certainly think and hope that would be the case. Many of those who aren't coming across much of consequence see it as a typical launch. Again, all kinds of software has beta periods even of a similar caliber and when the public version comes out there are still some people experiencing issues of all kinds. It's not to say that that's great or anything like that, simply that that's the reality (which isn't new).

 

[Hans300]

Apple has to react to the proven obsolescence in the next few days otherwise a lot customers will be angry.

The videos above are clearly enough, no discussion needed.

This doesn't fit to Tim Cooks "The best products in the world"

 

[C DM]

Apple has to react to the proven obsolescence in the next few days otherwise a lot customers will be angry.

The videos above are clearly enough, no discussion needed.

This doesn't fit to Tim Cooks "The best products in the world"

Still not how proofs work.

 

[Jayson A]

Why couldn't iOS 11 be 10.4 with some slight interface tweaks? iOS 11 looks like iOS 10.4, but instead acts like 9.0.

It's time to stop going backwards with these updates. I want refinement, enhancements, optimizations, but instead it seems like we get, stutters, freezes, slowdowns and UI glitches.

Then, with no way to roll back to a stable OS, we just have to sit here and take it while we wait months for Apple to make iOS great again.

 

[Jonathantuba]

It was with some trepidation I updated my iPhone 7 Plus to iOS 11 with all these reports of slow performance and battery problems, but I have not experienced any of this. My iPhone 7 Plus really flies with iOS 11 (if anything faster than before) and no battery problems. IOS 11 has also had no adverse effect on my iPad Pro, my wife’s iPhone 6s Plus and iPad.

It is strange why some people are having problems (and must be very annoying for those affected). Could it be a downloaded app or something in settings causing problems? I would suggest reset everything to factory default and then download additional apps on an as required basis to try and solve.

 

[martint235]

It was with some trepidation I updated my iPhone 7 Plus to iOS 11 with all these reports of slow performance and battery problems, but I have not experienced any of this. My iPhone 7 Plus really flies with iOS 11 (if anything faster than before) and no battery problems. IOS 11 has also had no adverse effect on my iPad Pro, my wife’s iPhone 6s Plus and iPad.

It is strange why some people are having problems (and must be very annoying for those affected). Could it be a downloaded app or something in settings causing problems? I would suggest reset everything to factory default and then download additional apps on an as required basis to try and solve.

Yep it’s strange. I updated my 7plus and iPP just by clicking update, no reset etc.

However there’s a very vocal group of people saying it’s bad so maybe the update process isn’t consistent

 

[dk001]

It was with some trepidation I updated my iPhone 7 Plus to iOS 11 with all these reports of slow performance and battery problems, but I have not experienced any of this. My iPhone 7 Plus really flies with iOS 11 (if anything faster than before) and no battery problems. IOS 11 has also had no adverse effect on my iPad Pro, my wife’s iPhone 6s Plus and iPad.

It is strange why some people are having problems (and must be very annoying for those affected). Could it be a downloaded app or something in settings causing problems? I would suggest reset everything to factory default and then download additional apps on an as required basis to try and solve.

BTDT BTTS while on the phone with Apple.
Been to an Apple Storte to have them look at it.
Any other suggestions?

That has been one of the biggest questions - How can there be so many variations of issues yet many have the same basic problems. That says there is a route issue in play.

 

[lolkthxbai]

Upgraded my phone yesterday and it is constantly freezing for 10-20 seconds at a time, mostly at the home screen. When I'm inside an app it kind of works for a bit longer, but every minute or so, I press something and have to wait 10-20 seconds before anything happens. Thought it was maybe the re-indexing but 24 hours later it was the same problem.

I tried to backup and restore the phone today (re-installing the backup) but same problem. I guess I'm now trying a clean install to see if it's something I have installed that ****s it up.

Am I the only one?? This is incredibly frustrating.

did you ever resolve this? thread is too long, too lazy to read

UPDATE: judging by the last few posts above you haven’t resolved it. it sounds like your experiencing kernel panics. the easiest way to know is to go to settings>privacy>analytics>analytics data and look for an entry that starts with “panic”. the entries are in alphabetical order

if your phone is still under warranty take it to an apple store to have it replaced or set up a mail service replacement

 

[jhagg]

did you ever resolve this? thread is too long, too lazy to read

UPDATE: judging by the last few posts above you haven’t resolved it. it sounds like your experiencing kernel panics. the easiest way to know is to go to settings>privacy>analytics>analytics data and look for an entry that starts with “panic”. the entries are in alphabetical order

if your phone is still under warranty take it to an apple store to have it replaced or set up a mail service replacement

Re-placing the phone won’t solve the problem, it’s not hardware it’s software. I replaced my iPad Pro that has the 10-20 second freezing and the same problem is happening on the replacement.

 

[lolkthxbai]

Re-placing the phone won’t solve the problem, it’s not hardware it’s software. I replaced my iPad Pro that has the 10-20 second freezing and the same problem is happening on the replacement.

The OP already said they tried restoring to a known good OS and the issue persisted. Not every freezing issue is caused by the same thing. How about we let the OP answer my question first?

I did

1) Upgrade over-air
2) Restore clean iOS 11 via iTunes and install backup
2) Restore clean iOS 11 via iTunes and initialize as new phone

All three gave me the same problem.

 

[macfacts]

"It is your fault"

I was reading an older thread on this forum about problems with iOS updates and was surprised at the response one user got from Apple. The Apple employee blamed the user because it was the user that updated their iPhone, not the Apple employee.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/4s-wifi-greyed-out-but-bluetooth-usable.1681543/#post-18501361

 

[Radon87000]

Why couldn't iOS 11 be 10.4 with some slight interface tweaks? iOS 11 looks like iOS 10.4, but instead acts like 9.0.

It's time to stop going backwards with these updates. I want refinement, enhancements, optimizations, but instead it seems like we get, stutters, freezes, slowdowns and UI glitches.

Then, with no way to roll back to a stable OS, we just have to sit here and take it while we wait months for Apple to make iOS great again.

Downgrade support is whats desperately needed. Thats what Apple needs to do to make us believe they dont engage in planned obsolescence.

 

[jhagg]

watch this

. perhaps i was too general. however MANY 7+ users are having this issue. better? ;-)

Did you ever resolve the freezing?

 

[Vivian125]

Updating iPhone 7 Plus feels from iOS 10 to iOS 11, is the same as Updating iPhone 4S from iOS 6 - iOS 7. iOS 7 is the 3rd OS update for iPhone 4S while it's fast on iOS 6 but iOS 7 has suddenly reduce the performance by almost half like 7/10 sure it's still perfect but not as good like it did on iOS 10 same as iPhone 7 Series.

You know, iOS 11 is sometimes Multi Core Hungry, if you compare iPhone 8/X to 7 its like doubled to multi core scores on geekbench. That's why iPhone 7 will last iOS 14 which means that iPhone 7 is still supported until 2021, while the 6S will die as early as 2019/2020 due to lacks HVVC encoding.