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You made a generalized absolute statement that your own observations and comments have shown to not hold up in various situations.

I made a generalised statement that updates break the phone. Current situation- iPhone 6 is broken
 
I made a generalised statement that updates break the phone. Current situation- iPhone 6 is broken
And in your own words the iOS 10 update made it better actually, so quite a ways from broken. Also, a generalized statement would apply to everything, not just a single individual iPhone 6 example.
 
And in your own words the iOS 10 update made it better actually, so quite a ways from broken. Also, a generalized statement would apply to everything, not just a single individual iPhone 6 example.
Please read my post again

Exactly. Updates are just a way for the manufacturers to break your device so that you buy a new one. His is what I have learnt going with iOS on iPhone 6 and iPhone 7 plus. I have learnt my lesson there and will keep my iPad Pro on iOS 10 the entire life time of the device because once I upgrade I can no longer downgrade on iOS.

It was a general statement made on the life cycle of a device. The more you update your device the slower it gets on the whole.iOS 11.1 Beta 3 is better than iOS 11.0 but we all know by the end of this cycle it still wont be as good as iOS 10. Applies to both 7 and 6. iOS 9 trashed the performance. iOS 10 improved performance.iOS 11 broke it. Neither made the phone as fast as it once was. Thats all whats being said. Reducing a problem does not make it go away. iOS 10 is slower than iOS 8. Period.I dont know what iOS 12 will do. Maybe it will fix the disaster that is iOS 11 but it still wont be as good as iOS 10.

iOS 11 is so bad we have Android phones beating the iPhone in RAM management.
 
Please read my post again



It was a general statement made on the life cycle of a device. The more you update your device the slower it gets on the whole.iOS 11.1 Beta 3 is better than iOS 11.0 but we all know by the end of this cycle it still wont be as good as iOS 10. Applies to both 7 and 6. iOS 9 trashed the performance. iOS 10 improved performance.iOS 11 broke it. Neither made the phone as fast as it once was. Thats all whats being said. Reducing a problem does not make it go away. iOS 10 is slower than iOS 8. Period.I dont know what iOS 12 will do. Maybe it will fix the disaster that is iOS 11 but it still wont be as good as iOS 10.

iOS 11 is so bad we have Android phones beating the iPhone in RAM management.

The worst part is... over the course of a year, people will adjust to the slowness and their eyes will get used to the stutters and they'll eventually forget how well their iPhone ran before. Even with the small performance improvements over the course of iOS 11, it still will never hit iOS 10 speeds or fluidity, but it might be enough to make people think it's fast again, but all they know is that it's faster than iOS 11.x.

If you're lucky enough to find an iPhone 6 running iOS 8 or an iPhone 5s running iOS 6, you'll see what I mean. Those were the OSes that those devices were DESIGNED to run, just like the iPhone 8 and X were designed to run iOS 11. You'll see that those devices run great on the new OS because Apple only cares about their latest device.

If you're not running Apple's latest hardware, they don't care about you.
 
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Agree.

I find updating overrated. Even updating apps will break it. Planned obsolescence.

Updated my first G5 to Nougat. It was smooth but it felt hotter on it. With my second G5, I kept it at Marshmallow. Seems lower RAM usage and my SwiftKey emojis uses the LG ones and not the ugly default yellow blobs seen since KitKat.

I find updating firmware and apps makes things feel bloated and slower. But people like changes and I'm more conservative with it. That's why desktop computers and laptops last longer. No constant updates all the time.


????
Windows updates nearly every day.
 
Y'all are more extra than teenage girls fighting over who likes the better pop star.

Do we really need 8 pages for this?
 
Y'all are more extra than teenage girls fighting over who likes the better pop star.

Do we really need 8 pages for this?
Pretty much most threads that get taken down this path end up going on for pages just going in same circles essentially.
 
Pretty much most threads that get taken down this path end up going on for pages just going in same circles essentially.
Like the “iOS 11 Design.” thread. That’s the biggest joke of a toxic discussion I’ve read in some time (p.s. screw skeuomorphicism).
 
There's enough stuttering in iOS 11 on my iPad Pro to keep my 7+ on iOS 10.

I'm dreading updating my 7+ to iOS 11 and I'm stuck on 10.3.1. Hopefully I either get the iPhone X or Apple releases iOS 11.1 and fixes all the bugs n crap and I keep my 7+ for a while.

Overall this is a very disappointing release. I feel lukewarm about the iPhone X and iOS 11 is a disappointment.

I must be one of the luckiest people in the world. Didn't have near as many issues as some through all the iOS 11 betas on my 7+ and not really suffering on the 11.1 betas on my 8+ (other than google maps freezing during navigation but beta 3 for 11.1 fixed that)
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How can iOS 11 be a “disaster “ when not everyone is seeing the issues you are?

I have come to accept that some people in here are quite a bit more "sensitive" to the slightest perceived problem. Case in point, there was a post a month or so back where a guy was complaining that there was a slight "bulge" in the icon for the App Store. Acted like that alone made the entire OS build a failure. There are others who simply cannot sleep at night if the lag between hitting the home button and the app completely closing and getting to the home screen is greater than a micro second.

Sensitive....
 
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I must be one of the luckiest people in the world. Didn't have near as many issues as some through all the iOS 11 betas on my 7+ and not really suffering on the 11.1 betas on my 8+ (other than google maps freezing during navigation but beta 3 for 11.1 fixed that)
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I have come to accept that some people in here are quite a bit more "sensitive" to the slightest perceived problem. Case in point, there was a post a month or so back where a guy was complaining that there was a slight "bulge" in the icon for the App Store. Acted like that alone made the entire OS build a failure. There are others who simply cannot sleep at night if the lag between hitting the home button and the app completely closing and getting to the home screen is greater than a micro second.

Sensitive....

But when it's instant before and they change it to .5 seconds it's annoying. One of the selling points of the iPhone 7 was the super responsive home button because it was software controlled and not hardware.
 
Interesting how there are those with those phones that are not really having significant issues and their experience is basically just fine (as far as it typically goes for x.0 releases essentially).

That is the frustrating thing. My ex-half has a 7 (AT&T) and her biggest issues are lag due ti animation (especially with long press for submenu) and after sending an iMessage to a non-iPhone she literally has a 2-3 second lag between send and the sound that plays when sent.
Mine on a 7+ (AT&T) is very different.
A coworker on 7+ (Verizon) has a yet different set of issues.

Inconsistency is apparently the keyword. :(
 
iOS 11 is TERRIBLE on my 7+. Buggy as hell, lags, freezes, slow. getting frustrated with apple...everything i used to hate about android now apple is doing save for the fast updates.
 
The worst part is... over the course of a year, people will adjust to the slowness and their eyes will get used to the stutters and they'll eventually forget how well their iPhone ran before. Even with the small performance improvements over the course of iOS 11, it still will never hit iOS 10 speeds or fluidity, but it might be enough to make people think it's fast again, but all they know is that it's faster than iOS 11.x.

If you're lucky enough to find an iPhone 6 running iOS 8 or an iPhone 5s running iOS 6, you'll see what I mean. Those were the OSes that those devices were DESIGNED to run, just like the iPhone 8 and X were designed to run iOS 11. You'll see that those devices run great on the new OS because Apple only cares about their latest device.

If you're not running Apple's latest hardware, they don't care about you.
This has been their strategy for long and sadly it works well on the customers. The only solution is never update the devices. I really cant believe they destroyed the 7 Plus's battery life and ruined performance on iOS 11.
 
This has been their strategy for long and sadly it works well on the customers. The only solution is never update the devices. I really cant believe they destroyed the 7 Plus's battery life and ruined performance on iOS 11.
I wonder how that applies to iPhone 6s line that came with iOS 9 when iOS 10 is seen as being better than iOS 9.
 
At this rate I'm never upgrading my 7+ software even if iOS 11 gets a jailbreak release for fear of performance and battery life degradation and an uptick in bugs


Still on 10.1.1 my iOS is a year old.

Who will buy it a cupcake for its birthday?
 
I wonder how that applies to iPhone 6s line that came with iOS 9 when iOS 10 is seen as being better than iOS 9.

I dont know. I never owned a 6S. Safe to say it will be lower performance.
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At this rate I'm never upgrading my 7+ software even if iOS 11 gets a jailbreak release for fear of performance and battery life degradation and an uptick in bugs


Still on 10.1.1 my iOS is a year old.

Who will buy it a cupcake for its birthday?
Whatever you do stay on iOS 10. DO NOT UPGRADE!
 
I dont know. I never owned a 6S. Safe to say it will be lower performance.
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Whatever you do stay on iOS 10. DO NOT UPGRADE!

I've advised my whole family with 6S pluses hold tight on 10.3.3 as well

Don't wanna hear "my phone sucks now I need another" but also "I don't wanna spend 1000 for same phone" or evencfork over for a new phone without mitigating iOS 11 being the shipping OS and still baked in with headaches

Was thoroughly unimpressed with it on 8

But my 12.9 pro is nice with iOS 11.

That's as far as I'm willing to venture
 
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I dont know. I never owned a 6S. Safe to say it will be lower performance.
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Whatever you do stay on iOS 10. DO NOT UPGRADE!
But iOS 9 was horrible and iOS 10 was an improvement over it. Seems like it wouldn't be safe to say that it would be worse, especially to the point of breaking the device so that a new one would be needed.
 
Only about 54% of potential users have updated. A lot haven't experienced problems because they didn't update.

But maybe a lot haven’t experienced problems because well they haven’t experienced problems. iPhone 7 on 11.0.3 and iPad on 11.1 beta. Both fine
 
Only about 54% of potential users have updated. A lot haven't experienced problems because they didn't update.
What does that have to do with those on iOS 11 who aren't experiencing all those issues, which is what that comment was about? (Got to love when the majority is referred to as "only" when it's convenient to downplay it.)
 
But iOS 9 was horrible and iOS 10 was an improvement over it. Seems like it wouldn't be safe to say that it would be worse, especially to the point of breaking the device so that a new one would be needed.
Because both iOS 10 and 9 were slower than iOS 8 which is what iPhone 6 shipped with. So the upgrades ruined performance. Hence the 6s should also be slower as it shipped with iOS 9 which would run nicely on it
 
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