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So you get up to 1 year of good performance with Apple devices nowadays? Suddenly the high premium prices don’t seem so justified do they?

With iOS 11 they’re training me to be wary and cautious about iOS upgrades. I’m going to recommend people hold off upgrading early (if at all) from now on.
Seems like most of the flagship devices are around a similar price point these days.
 
Well...actually all android devices trap you as well, maybe even more so. A lot of android phones will only give you a year or two of updates before you’re outdated and need to either be happy with whatever version you have or upgrade your phone.
 
Well...actually all android devices trap you as well, maybe even more so. A lot of android phones will only give you a year or two of updates before you’re outdated and need to either be happy with whatever version you have or upgrade your phone.

From the published stats from Google, lots of people are on old Android devices. Doesn't seem like a high priority for many users to use the newest Android version. Only iOS users care about Android updates.
 
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From the published stats from Google, lots of people are on old Android devices. Doesn't seem like a high priority for many users to use the newest Android version. Only iOS users care about Android updates.
Do those stats talk about the reasons why those people are on those versions or how they actually feel about not having newer versions available to them?
 
Do those stats talk about the reasons why those people are on those versions or how they actually feel about not having newer versions available to them?
Quite happy because Samsung is still the highest seller on Android and people keep buying them despite the Google Pixel which has an iPhone like update policy available. Thing is flagship Android users don’t like their devices to turn into trash after OS updates. Better to wait for the final OS version and get it a year late. Oh yeah and you can also downgrade the firmware anytime so not knocking the Pixel for its updates

Also most of the stuff in iOS updates can be easily delivered via play store on Android.
 
Quite happy because Samsung is still the highest seller on Android and people keep buying them despite the Google Pixel which has an iPhone like update policy available. Thing is flagship Android users don’t like their devices to turn into trash after OS updates. Better to wait for the final OS version and get it a year late. Oh yeah and you can also downgrade the firmware anytime so not knocking the Pixel for its updates

Also most of the stuff in iOS updates can be easily delivered via play store on Android.
Agree.

I find updating overrated. Even updating apps will break it. Planned obsolescence.

Updated my first G5 to Nougat. It was smooth but it felt hotter on it. With my second G5, I kept it at Marshmallow. Seems lower RAM usage and my SwiftKey emojis uses the LG ones and not the ugly default yellow blobs seen since KitKat.

I find updating firmware and apps makes things feel bloated and slower. But people like changes and I'm more conservative with it. That's why desktop computers and laptops last longer. No constant updates all the time.
 
Quite happy because Samsung is still the highest seller on Android and people keep buying them despite the Google Pixel which has an iPhone like update policy available. Thing is flagship Android users don’t like their devices to turn into trash after OS updates. Better to wait for the final OS version and get it a year late. Oh yeah and you can also downgrade the firmware anytime so not knocking the Pixel for its updates

Also most of the stuff in iOS updates can be easily delivered via play store on Android.

Yes, Samsung are the sales leaders because they don’t update their phones :rolleyes:

I’m sure it’s nothing to do with the mind bending amounts they spend on advertising and in-store promotion.
 
Upgraded my phone yesterday and it is constantly freezing for 10-20 seconds at a time, mostly at the home screen. When I'm inside an app it kind of works for a bit longer, but every minute or so, I press something and have to wait 10-20 seconds before anything happens. Thought it was maybe the re-indexing but 24 hours later it was the same problem.

I tried to backup and restore the phone today (re-installing the backup) but same problem. I guess I'm now trying a clean install to see if it's something I have installed that ****s it up.

Am I the only one?? This is incredibly frustrating.

Title of your thread is a pretty bold statement. No troubles here. Works great for us.
 
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Agree.

I find updating overrated. Even updating apps will break it. Planned obsolescence.

Updated my first G5 to Nougat. It was smooth but it felt hotter on it. With my second G5, I kept it at Marshmallow. Seems lower RAM usage and my SwiftKey emojis uses the LG ones and not the ugly default yellow blobs seen since KitKat.

I find updating firmware and apps makes things feel bloated and slower. But people like changes and I'm more conservative with it. That's why desktop computers and laptops last longer. No constant updates all the time.
Exactly. Updates are just a way for the manufacturers to break your device so that you buy a new one. His is what I have learnt going with iOS on iPhone 6 and iPhone 7 plus. I have learnt my lesson there and will keep my iPad Pro on iOS 10 the entire life time of the device because once I upgrade I can no longer downgrade on iOS. Although Android is better in that I can downgrade to Android Jellybean even now on my Nexus 7 and get it to run smoothly while my iPhone 6 is being a laggy piece of crap on iOS 11.
 
Exactly. Updates are just a way for the manufacturers to break your device so that you buy a new one. His is what I have learnt going with iOS on iPhone 6 and iPhone 7 plus. I have learnt my lesson there and will keep my iPad Pro on iOS 10 the entire life time of the device because once I upgrade I can no longer downgrade on iOS. Although Android is better in that I can downgrade to Android Jellybean even now on my Nexus 7 and get it to run smoothly while my iPhone 6 is being a laggy piece of crap on iOS 11.
The great iOS 10.3.3 surely broke all the iPhones prior to iPhone 7.
 
Updates are just a way for the manufacturers to break your device so that you buy a new one.
You certainly seem to disagree with yourself a lot:

iOS 10 will speed up your device as iOS 9 was a horrible release in comparison.

Thanks to our "Whining" Apple made iOS 10 overall faster than iOS 9.

I do admit though that battery life on iOS 10 has significantly improved.

The best one through that pretty much turns much of what's been and often continues to be said on its side (if not just plain upside down) it this:

I agree iOS 10 is better than 9.Planned obsolescence won't work this time as Apple is trying really hard to get people NOT to buy the iPhone 7 with hardly any new features
 
You certainly seem to disagree with yourself a lot:







The best one through that pretty much turns much of what's been and often continues to be said on its side (if not just plain upside down) it this:
Refer to previous post. Not as fast as iOS 8. iOS 9 is up there with iOS 11 as one of the worst OS I have ever used. iOS 9 was so bad iOS 10 could only go up from there.
 
Refer to previous post. Not as fast as iOS 8. iOS 9 is up there with iOS 11 as one of the worst OS I have ever used. iOS 9 was so bad iOS 10 could only go up from there.
So basically the iOS 10 update wasn't a way to "break your device so that you buy a new one".
 
So basically the iOS 10 update wasn't a way to "break your device so that you buy a new one".
iOS 9 already broke the 6. I charged that phone so many times on iOS 9 just 2 months ago I got its batteries replaced. The batteries wore out after just 3 years.

None of the updates made the 6 go back to its original performance. iOS 10 was just applyijg a small bandaid on a stab wound.
 
iOS 9 already broke the 6. I charged that phone so many times on iOS 9 just 2 months ago I got its batteries replaced. The batteries wore out after just 3 years.

None of the updates made the 6 go back to its original performance. iOS 10 was just adding a small bandaid on a stab wound.
But the iOS 10 update wasn't a way to "break your device so you buy a new one". Glad we got that straightened out, with your own observations and commentary no less.
 
But the iOS 10 update wasn't a way to "break your device so you buy a new one". Glad we got that straightened out, with your own observations and commentary no less.
iOS 9 already did the job. Why is iOS 10 needed? iOS 11 is going to destroy the batteries on my 7 Plus. What's the point of iOS 12 fixing it when the damage is done? The performance was already shot to **** on iOS 9 on iPhone 6 with all the stuttering and random flushing of apps from memory. If you take the device to rock bottom and then recover it the customer has already gotten annoyed with the device in question.
 
iOS 9 already did the job. Why is iOS 10 needed? iOS 11 is going to destroy the batteries on my 7 Plus. What's the point of iOS 12 fixing it when the damage is done? The performance was already shot to **** on iOS 9 on iPhone 6 with all the stuttering and random flushing of apps from memory. If you take the device to rock bottom and then recover it the customer has already gotten annoyed with the device in question.
Going by what you've been saying, devices that came with iOS 9 and don't support anything before would run best on it and any subsequent updates would basically just be there to break the device. At the same time iOS 10 is better than iOS 9 and devices upgrading from iOS 9 wouldn't be anywhere even close to being broken or anything of the sort. ... Having your cake, and eating it too.
 
Going by what you've been saying, devices that came with iOS 9 and don't support anything before would run best on it and any subsequent updates would basically just be there to break the device. At the same time iOS 10 is better than iOS 9 and devices upgrading from iOS 9 wouldn't be anywhere even close to being broken or anything of the sort. ... Having your cake, and eating it too.
I only care about the bottom line. My iPhone 6 is not as fast on iOS 8. I couldnt care less about the subsequent quick patch up jobs which dont resolve everything which was wrong nor can they reverse the depreciation undergone by hardware like batteries. If I could I would downgrade my iPhone 6 to iOS 8 and not iOS 10. Thats the bottom line
 
I only care about the bottom line. My iPhone 6 is not as fast on iOS 8. I couldnt care less about the subsequent quick patch up jobs which dont resolve everything which was wrong nor can they reverse the depreciation undergone by hardware like batteries. If I could I would downgrade my iPhone 6 to iOS 8 and not iOS 10. Thats the bottom line
But basically upgrading from iOS 9 to 10 wasn't a way to break devices and didn't even fit in with the planned obsolescence conspiracy (again, going with your own observations and commentary). Again, good that we've been able to clear that part of it up.
 
But basically upgrading from iOS 9 to 10 wasn't a way to break devices and didn't even fit in with the planned obsolescence conspiracy (again, going with your own observations and commentary). Again, good that we've been able to clear that part of it up.
How can you break a device which is already broken?
 
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...er-ios11-upgrade.2069871/page-7#post-25248505

Going in circles with the same deflections doesn't change what's been already established.

You don’t seem to be looking at the overall picture. If I keep updating my iPhone the end result is a slower phone. Nvidia’s GTX 970 is slower than R9 290X because of lack of interest by Nvidia. But you will still find some games where it out performs. But he overall picture is it’s slower. Likewise iOS 10 reversed some of the damage but iOS 11 was back to square one.
 
You don’t seem to be looking at the overall picture. If I keep updating my iPhone the end result is a slower phone. Nvidia’s GTX 970 is slower than R9 290X because of lack of interest by Nvidia. But you will still find some games where it out performs. But he overall picture is it’s slower. Likewise iOS 10 reversed some of the damage but iOS 11 was back to square one.
You made a generalized absolute statement that your own observations and comments have shown to not hold up in various situations.
 
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