So basically iOS 10 is better than iOS 9, but sometimes it's not better than iOS 9. And updates are there to break phones so that new ones would be needed, but then the iOS 10 update didn't break things and actually made them better. Seems like the usual level of "facts" based on convenience are in play.
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iPhone 7/7+ completely useless after iOS11 upgrade
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For the millionth time, Apples iPhones run best on the OS version they ship with. iPhone 6s shipped on iOS 9 so it will have no issues on iOS 9. As a probable future iphone X owner in a few weeks I have absolutely no doubt that the iPhone X will run stellar on iOS 11
Both iOS 9 and 10 broke the phones as they were never restored to iOS 8 level perofrmance
People with iPhone 6s who have posted about all kinds of variety of issues while on iOS 9 would disagree.
Just like some with iPhone 8 phones that have been having issues with iOS 11, which you've said would be amazing with that version and have been called out as being incorrect, only to deflect that and shift to taking about iPhone X after that. The pattern is the same as usual, and all too convenient.
In general, iPhones aren't future proof. That's why they only run well with the iOS version they shipped with.
Sad thing is my roommate has a Galaxy S8, stock, with developers options (animation off). It feels so much faster than my i7+ on 11.0.3 and has far less issues (she was bit by the Samsung power saver problem). Better battery life too.
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From the Pixel thread, in the alternatives section, it seems Android Oreo on the Pixel runs like old school iOS. Its so fast and snappy apparently it puts iOS 11 to shame. It seems the roles have reversed nowadays. iOS is becoming laggy and a battery hog while Android is becoming smooth and more battery efficient. Kinda ironic.Sad thing is my roommate has a Galaxy S8, stock, with developers options (animation off). It feels so much faster than my i7+ on 11.0.3 and has far less issues (she was bit by the Samsung power saver problem). Better battery life too.
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They can run well with other updates too. If we are talking about "best", that's a slightly different discussion.
This is what I'm sick of...
September: New iOS! New, new new!!! Install new iOS and hate it. Slow... buggy... glitchy... bad battery
November: newOS.1 comes out. Better, slightly faster, still a lot of issues.
January: newOS.2 comes out. Some things better, some things that worked fine are now broken. Performance a little better, but not perfect.
March: newOS.3 comes out. Wow, much faster. Most bugs are fixed. Phone is finally a joy to use. Some things still broken and probably won't be fixed until the next full version.
June: New-newOS Beta comes out...
September: Start it all over again.
September: New iOS! New, new new!!! Install new iOS and hate it. Slow... buggy... glitchy... bad battery
November: newOS.1 comes out. Better, slightly faster, still a lot of issues.
January: newOS.2 comes out. Some things better, some things that worked fine are now broken. Performance a little better, but not perfect.
March: newOS.3 comes out. Wow, much faster. Most bugs are fixed. Phone is finally a joy to use. Some things still broken and probably won't be fixed until the next full version.
June: New-newOS Beta comes out...
September: Start it all over again.
Fairly typical reality of the software development lifecycle.
So basically you want them to start on iOS 13 already to make sure it's bug free
Why can't they introduce new features without having to re-write the entire OS? Even old bugs come back that they've already fixed before.
Why can't they built upon what's there and not drastically change so much that they introduce a lot of bugs? Also, what's the point of all the beta testing if they still release a half-baked product?
Perhaps they are adding and changing more than just a few features here and there. Now, whether or not it would be better for them not to do it like that with every release or something like that, that's a somewhat different question.
As for beta testing, aside from that not being something that can always surface a variety of issues, a big part of it all is that even out of the surfaced issues then there's a process of prioritizing and deciding what gets addressed and when, all in addition to overall product and marketing timelines that unfortunately exist and play a big role when it comes to companies launching products and services.
You know how you hear that 'iOS is optimized' ... What you don't hear are what the trade offs are.
"... Code level optimizations decrease maintainability.... Common trade-offs include code clarity and conciseness"[1]. What this means is it is hard to fix or add new features because the existing code is hard to read. So sometimes instead of adding to existing code, they start from scratch. And then redo the same mistakes before, thus the bugs reappearing.
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_optimization#Trade-offs
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I will sell my iPhone and switch to Android if Apple dont stop this planned obsolescence bs.
With every major release the same story: Slower and laggier than the old one and worse battery-life.
If they are not able to make iOS 11 as fluid and good as 10.3.3 was then they should not release it to old devices. They should bring only security-updates which dont effect performance etc.
Otherwise they should sign iOS 10.3.3 until iOS 11.3 is released.
With iOS 11 they made a lot of customers angry. It cant be that hard to make a fluid and bugfree UI in year 2017 without delay and stutter. Or they should rebuild iOS from the ground up.
I will sell my iPhone and switch to Android if Apple dont stop this planned obsolescence bs.
With every major release the same story: Slower and laggier than the old one and worse battery-life.
If they are not able to make iOS 11 as fluid and good as 10.3.3 was then they should not release it to old devices. They should bring only security-updates which dont effect performance etc.
Otherwise they should sign iOS 10.3.3 until iOS 11.3 is released.
With iOS 11 they made a lot of customers angry. It cant be that hard to make a fluid and bugfree UI in year 2017 without delay and stutter. Or they should rebuild iOS from the ground up.
I agree they need to allow a longer signing for older iOS iterations.
However, 11.1 seems to be running pretty well on my 7 Plus.
That being said, I'm using a V30 as my daily driver because no amount of software is going to fix my Intel modem. I went from 1-2 bars in my apartment to full bars when I got my V30. That's why I went android.
They have been doing planned obsolescence for years and it's raking in the money. They aren't stopping any time soon unless the price of the iPhone X somehow causes an uproar when they try to do it with iPhone X on iOS 12.
Alreayd slowed down vs iOS 8. I am starting to sound like a broken record here. The iPhone 6 was already broke on iOS 9 so how further could planned obsolescence damage it?
Just that apparently planned obsolescence is always around when it's convenient even though it apparently doesn't apply at other times when it's convenient (and Apple supposedly didn't want people buying iPhone 7). Talk about continued silliness.
You have avoided these consistently. Answer them all fully and in one post, or acknowledge your complete lack of credibility:-
1) you keep insisting on planned obsolescence being apple's business plan
A) how do you explain your own insistence that iOS 10 is faster than 9? How does that fit with planned obsolescence?
B) how do you explain the 5s being a beast all through iOS 10, 4 years through its existence? And A) mysteriously being upgraded in iOS 10?
C) please explain fully how annoying people compels them to buy more. By any established business logic that is not a good plan.
2) If you're so put upon, so abused by Apple why do you keep coming back? You say a watch, a tablet frequently. Are the alternatives fundamentally broken then? Explain.
I look forward to to your deflection, confabulation a day inability to answer these questions in a way I can't find a direct contradiction in your post history.
That is not true. I can walk into the Apple store tomorrow and get an iPhone 7 which will have iOS 11 preinstalled. So they shipped it with that OS and are giving the new customer that chooses to buy a 7 tomorrow which they still clearly support.
So they are selling a phone that is not running as well as it has the potential to do. Crazy
Also my iPad screen flicker and the same lag and battery life is a quarter of what it was so it is not just iPhones.
Of course the iPhone 10 will run amazing on it I am sure BUT a few will get those phones (due to "short supply" or cost) and the vast majority must suffer with an OS optimized for a tiny minority.
If that is the case then they should have made the new OS for the iPhone 10 and models going forward from that phone BUT left the other version for the older for the millions of devices that are negatively impacted and had their hardware's ability lessened.
1) I am now not looking at iPhone 6 in isolation on iOS 10 vs iOS 9. I look at the iPhone 6 on how it is now as against how it was when I bought it. I admit iOS 10 was better than iOS 9 on the 6. In fact when I posted those posts I was a very frustrated user coming from iOS 9. Stuttering was everywhere and iOS 10 as little as it was was a breath of fresh air and it felt nice that for once I am getting a release which at least solved the problem somewhat.
Everyone has a honeymoon phase with a new phone or a new release where everything seems awesome. Then after you use it for an extended period of time and especially after you get a new device you see the flaws. We have Dan in the beta thread saying home button delay is fixed than returning today and saying it’s not fixed.I realise this is all a mind trick employed by Apple.
You see these isolated versions where performance improves but then just forget the big picture. The performance was so bad on iOS 9 anything seemed to be an improvement and iOS 10 provided it and if you search my post history you will find a post where I say it came close to iOS 8 even but didn’t match it. They reduce performance on subsequent versions, give an impression they improved it but then when you put aside your happiness and compare it with the version it shipped with it, you realise it’s still not as fast.
I have observed similarities here with the PC GPU industry which suggests all market leaders like Apple follow a similar strategy here. NVIDIA does planned obsolescence with their video cards and everyone knows it who follow the GPU industry. When 780ti was launched it beat the AMD R9 290X. When the GTX 970 launched it beat the R9 290X but the 780ti still surpassed it in all games. As time passed, the 780ti seemed to slow down with driver updates to the point the 290X started beating it and competing with GTX 970 and even the 970 started beating it . As of now you will find the R9 290X beating the 970 and 780ti in majority games. Conveniently this happened after NVIDIA Pascal launches and here’s something you will find similar to Apple. There are games in which the driver updates are improving performance. Witcher 3 was benchmarking at 43fps as against an average of 53 and 48 on 970 and 290X respectively when it launched on 780ti and when NVIDIA released newer drivers it improved to 48 FPS. I was one of the critics of nvidia on this and even I started to believe maybe this is all false. Linus Tech Tips even made a video last month on how these driver updates increasing performance disprove the existence of planned obsolescence. But when you look at the scenario at launch this doesn’t add up. The 780ti still doesn’t beat the 970 even win performande like it did at launch. The 970 no longer beats the 290X in all games like it used to. Increasing performance is here but if you will observe it’s calculated in a way that launch day performance is not replicated.
Another uncanny similarity is that just like on Android, AMD do not engage in planned obsolescence. Their GPUs retain performance. Their driver updates are fewer compared to nvidia but these are the facts gleaned from it.
Once iOS 11.3.3 releases it will seem faster than all versions before it but it still won't be as fast as iOS 10.3.3 but being free from the stutters of,earlier versions we will forgive it.
Who said it’s a beast in iOS 10? Compared to iOS 9 it’s improved but a beast? It would be a beast on the version the device shipped with.
Apple does keep upgrading devices, but the slowdowns quite frankly do not make it worth it. I give Apple’s devices a max of 3 years before they go past the tolerable limit of usability. Even on Android once Google refused to update my Nexus 7 past Marshmallow I forcefully installed a custom ROM running Nougat on it and it ran similar to how an Apple device would run after 3 yearsafter s few months. Needless to say I downgraded and went back. I prefer a usable experience over an OS version bump.
This is quite simple. People expect devices to slow down over time even though they are annoyed by it and I am talking about the average user not on this forum. I am perfectly capable of keeping my Windows installation running perfectly for 10 years on end without any reinstall or slowdown. OTOH the average user buys a PC uses it as he sees fit and after 5 years when it takes a minute to boot he doesn’t blame himself but says the PC is old and needs to be replaced. This is exactly how it goes. People buy an iPhone but as they use their devices through the years they expect it to slow down and Apple simply plays on this by not optimising the newer OS for older devices.
Ask any iPhone 6 user about how fast it runs and he will say it’s running slow but OK considering it’s a 3 year old phone. People expect devices to depreciate over time. If performance could remain same like on PC, many would not buy a new phone.
This time before I settled on iPhone X I went and researched the heck out of the Android universe to see what’s going on and I came up with 3 flagship devices as an alternative. Galaxy Note 8, Pixel 2 XL and the LG V30. The last alternative was eliminated from the get go when I saw just how poor reviews the LG V30 got regarding its display. This is LG’s first take on mobile OLED and it’s clear they are nowhere close to Samsung with their displays. There is screen banding on low brightness, light bleed like effect and graininess on all white backgrounds. And this seemed to be there as a contention on almost every review I saw so I just didn’t want to have a headache with a screen lottery. With Apple I get a yellow tinted phone every year at launch and I go to the store and eventually get a good unit after 3-4 exchanges. I don’t know how LG customer service is and it seems to be a defect with LG’s unit as a whole. I consider the display to be a very fundamental aspect of the phone and even more important than software and I can’t compromise on that. So that’s one phone out.
Next came the Note 8. Truth be told this was the phone I found it most hard to put down. It came with the best display on the planet, one of the best build qualities in the industry and the S Pen.However it has a small quirk. The unlock method. I use high power glasses and the iris scanner just doesn’t work as fast with the glasses. I have zero problems with the fingerprint sensor on the back but I just find it a bummer the iris scanner does not work as reliably. I haven’t ruled out this phone yet.
Next came the google pixel and honestly I almost bought this phone. Everything I liked about iPhone minus the planned obsolescence part seeemed to be there. Reviews from the users who got this phone seem to suggest it’s speedier and more fluid than iOS 11 on an iPhone. Everything updates on time and Google even has a public beta like we have for iOS for Pixel users. They came close to perfection. But alas they went with LG for the screen. I tried to keep my hopes up but as reviewed poured in it seemed the display although not as bad as the V30 still has some game breaking bugs. It’s got a blue tint if you do much as shift the phone a little bit. There is graininess in the background and although there seem to be good panels floating about I was just scared by all the tech bloggers posting negative reviews. I really feel sad here. This was almost my next Android phone and Google just had to put an LG panel on this phone. I personally believe that at $1000 there should be zero compromises and tlhough there are many on the Pixel sub reddit saying everyone is making a mountain out of a molehill I am just scared to go through with this.
Apple should really take a note of LG’s current panels before pumping money into them. They are nowhere close to Samsung’s best panels. Heck the Galaxy S2 from 2011 has better viewing angles than the Pixel 2 XL!!
So now comes the iPhone X. I know it comes with a Samsung panel which although won’t be a Note 8 class should still be a good panel and destroy my current LCD phone in quality. However I have my doubts about FaceID and whether it works with glasses. If it doesn’t I am returning the phone for a Note 8. At least it has an FPS as backup. If the delay for X is more than 2 months I will get the Note 8.
I was ready to abandon the integration with my phone and tablet Togo to Android but it just didn’t work out.
Disclaimer- This reply is intended as a serious reply.
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