iPhone-Android thoughts

[The-Real-Deal82]

I don't feel threatened and I'm not afraid to admit it if I was.

Alot of us started out on iOS. We KNOW how good it is over there. We know BOTH sides. I was once trying to defend Apple four years ago. But to say we will never experience something as beautiful as Apple's experience...?

LOL

Who feels threatened here? When alot of us ARE ENJOYING something, just because we try to explain a good experience, don't we have the right to share it? Share the good news? I know everything I needed to know with iOS in maybe a few months. I'm still learning something new with Android after three years.

A little judgemental on Android users, you think? Useless thread from a useless observation pigeonholing Android fans as insecure when iOS users always blinded from the truth. Go back to the iPhone forum and argue among yourselves that your iPhone 6 is better than 6 Plus or vice-versa.

Are ex Android users who went to iOS allowed to discuss though? A lot of people including myself started out on Android and we know how good it is over there. So we also know both sides of this argument and have possibly been on both sides of this debate in the past.

You say about the OP 'pigeon-holing Android fans and I agree the first post was very badly written with an element of trolling, however a disappointing number of people have responded to it and lived up to the stereotype. That has somehow validated it somewhat and its down to the rest of us that are more level headed and respectful of others opinions to discuss this reasonably.

 

[Savor]

Beautiful experience?

iPhone no longer have the best and sharpest screens.

iPhones aren't water/dust proof.

iPhones still have that lone speaker on the bottom which easily can get covered.

iPhones no longer have the best battery life.

iPhones will never provide expandable storage or removable battery.

iPhones needs a 97-100% CPU usage of iTunes to add, delete,. rename, or move any media files.

iPhones never provide the best value as I would rather get a OnePlus One AND Sony Xperia Z3 Compact (combined 24 hrs SOT) for nearly the same price of a single iPhone 6 which offers me less features.

iOS will never provide the customizations of an Android launcher.

iOS will never offer OTG, Bluetooth OBEX, uncrippled NFC, or sideloading apps.


I'm not really a fan of Jon4Lakers but he gave iPhone 6 a 8/10 and he was right. The iPhone 6 is a good phone of many good phones. Some of the iPhone apologist arguments is very 2011-ish.

Saying iPhone users are too busy enjoying a beautiful experience is like saying a white canvas full of stick figures is a beautiful work of art! You haven't actually drew yet and that makes you an artist or are you waiting for Apple to draw it all for you?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

iPhone-Android thoughts

Lets be fair here, if I wanted all those things with any conviction, I wouldn't have left the Android experience in the first place. I owned several Android devices before the iPhone and over a 4 year period. Having a little hands on experience with iOS is what swayed me. I felt I could sacrifice a few features, many of which I hardly used and was worth it for what I felt was a nicer user experience on iOS. I don't expect everyone to agree with me because our needs differ, but many of my friends and family are of the same opinion.

Realistically it's extremely rare that I am unable to complete a desired task on the iPhone. A lot of the examples given here are way off my personal list of demands but respect they may be deal breakers for other people. The beauty of choice eh?

 

[Apollo 13]

You started trolling iphone users and now do you try to troll Android users with nonsensical claims like this?

Can't be trolling if it's the honest to god truth. Also it would be trolling if I was on a strictly Android site...this is a apple web site with a section to talk about other phones.

 

[Oletros]

Can't be trolling if it's the honest to god truth. Also it would be trolling if I was on a strictly Android site...this is a apple web site with a section to talk about other phones.

It is not true and this is a subforum for products apart from the Apple ones

 

[Brittany246]

Ok, I've only noticed mostly on youtube that when the iPhone is mentioned in a video (not just tech videos) someone always has to say Android or Android phones are better. That doesn't happen as much when an Android device is mentioned. Yeah, some iOS users talk crap about Android, but the opposite seems way more common. The anti apple circle jerk is getting stronger each day. I believe the people who do that are just fanboys anyway. I own iOS and Android devices and the operating systems are both good, and I don't feel the need to randomly tell someone that their phone sucks. They're just phones, and people take this **** way too seriously.

 

[Mr Mystery]

Ok, I've only noticed mostly on youtube that when the iPhone is mentioned in a video (not just tech videos) someone always has to say Android or Android phones are better. That doesn't happen as much when an Android device is mentioned. Yeah, some iOS users talk crap about Android, but the opposite seems way more common. The anti apple circle jerk is getting stronger each day. I believe the people who do that are just fanboys anyway. I own iOS and Android devices and the operating systems are both good, and I don't feel the need to randomly tell someone that their phone sucks. They're just phones, and people take this **** way too seriously.

That may be because Android has 80% marketshare. iPhone users are outnumbered 4-1 so for every 1 Apple user talking **** you get 3 more on Android.

 

[I7guy]

Beautiful experience?

iPhone no longer have the best and sharpest screens.

iPhones aren't water/dust proof.

iPhones still have that lone speaker on the bottom which easily can get covered.

iPhones no longer have the best battery life.

iPhones will never provide expandable storage or removable battery.

iPhones needs a 97-100% CPU usage of iTunes to add, delete,. rename, or move any media files.

iPhones never provide the best value as I would rather get a OnePlus One AND Sony Xperia Z3 Compact (combined 24 hrs SOT) for nearly the same price of a single iPhone 6 which offers me less features.

iOS will never provide the customizations of an Android launcher.

iOS will never offer OTG, Bluetooth OBEX, uncrippled NFC, or sideloading apps.


I'm not really a fan of Jon4Lakers but he gave iPhone 6 a 8/10 and he was right. The iPhone 6 is a good phone of many good phones. Some of the iPhone apologist arguments is very 2011-ish.

Saying iPhone users are too busy enjoying a beautiful experience is like saying a white canvas full of stick figures is a beautiful work of art! You haven't actually drew yet and that makes you an artist or are you waiting for Apple to draw it all for you?

You forgot 4 years is IOS upgrades at least. Fantastic customer support. Higher quality apps. Better cameras and others.

 

[mib1800]

You forgot 4 years is IOS upgrades at least. Fantastic customer support. Higher quality apps. Better cameras and others.

Don't forget fantastic prices as well which can buy you 2 phones with better specs for the price of 1.

You would have paid for premium warranty and customer support with those prices. And then apple skinned you more by offering you apple care.

 

[I7guy]

Don't forget fantastic prices as well which can buy you 2 phones with better specs for the price of 1.

You would have paid for premium warranty and customer support with those prices. And then apple skinned you more by offering you apple care.

Well better specs for slower phones.

As far as AppleCare at least there is an option. Samsungcare anyone?

 

[apolloa]

I guess the vast majority of people wouldn't care or be able to tell the difference. I also don't think a lot of consumers compare specs down to the dpi of screens, I certainly don't. I buy what I like the feel of and what best suits my needs. For me right now that is the iPhone, so you could say it's the best phone on the market for me and in my opinion. This is subjective of course.

Why is it every single time Apple defenders are brought up on the resolution argument, they then ALWAYS claim that it doesn't matter as no one can tell the difference? If that was the case, why do Apple fans make the claims about screens in the first place?
My guess is it's because you cannot argue against the facts.

Anyway this is very obviously a toll lolol thread.

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You forgot 4 years is IOS upgrades at least. Fantastic customer support. Higher quality apps. Better cameras and others.

Well the Nexus 4 is getting Android 5, and Google has a MUCH better policy with it's store now allowing you to request a full refund in 2 hours of you purchase, higher quality apps is totally subjective as it utterly depends on what apps you use and is not a generalisation, and as for better cameras? They are good but they are not the be all and end all, Nokia still has that crown.

 

[mib1800]

Well better specs for slower phones.

As far as AppleCare at least there is an option. Samsungcare anyone?

Of course a "calculator" is way faster than a real smartphone.

 

[I7guy]

Of course a "calculator" is way faster than a real smartphone.

Which phone are you referring to? Hard to tell.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

iPhone-Android thoughts

Why is it every single time Apple defenders are brought up on the resolution argument, they then ALWAYS claim that it doesn't matter as no one can tell the difference? If that was the case, why do Apple fans make the claims about screens in the first place?

My guess is it's because you cannot argue against the facts.



Anyway this is very obviously a toll lolol thread.

Probably because the iPhone has a decent screen and its a little sad to be arguing over specifics that are so small in comparison. Especially when they are almost unnoticeable to the human eye lol. You can label me as an Apple defender if you like, whatever floats the boat in that corner of the school yard.

 

[mib1800]

Probably because the iPhone has a decent screen and its a little sad to be arguing over specifics that are so small in comparison. Especially when they are almost unnoticeable to the human eye lol. You can label me as an Apple defender if you like, whatever floats the boat in that corner of the school yard.

Maybe you should not be so sad after all knowing apple defenders keep harping on unperceptible milliseconds lag on android which is worse than the end of the world to them.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Maybe you should not be so sad after all knowing apple defenders keep harping on unperceptible milliseconds lag on android which is worse than the end of the world to them.

Unless somebody has experience of Android, I doubt it's the end of the world to them. It's one thing discussing a fundamental issue with an operating system whichever one that is, but it's another scrapping over a feature that is virtually insignificant in terms of being seen. Having spent Thursday evening trying to sort out my mates girlfriend's Galaxy S4 that has a range of problems, I can happily share my opinions on lag, but that is very boring I'm sure you will agree.

I have opinions on both operating systems and appreciate from extensive use of both that they come with pro's and con's. Unlike many here I am not locked in to either and could happily switch if I felt the need. Right now I am enjoying the iPhone and all it's benefits. It works for me better than Android previously, but that is just me. It's people like you that love to keep this 'us and them' mentality very much alive on the forums. You are a marketers dream.

 

[mib1800]

Unless somebody has experience of Android, I doubt it's the end of the world to them. It's one thing discussing a fundamental issue with an operating system whichever one that is, but it's another scrapping over a feature that is virtually insignificant in terms of being seen. Having spent Thursday evening trying to sort out my mates girlfriend's Galaxy S4 that has a range of problems, I can happily share my opinions on lag, but that is very boring I'm sure you will agree.

I have opinions on both operating systems and appreciate from extensive use of both that they come with pro's and con's. Unlike many here I am not locked in to either and could happily switch if I felt the need. Right now I am enjoying the iPhone and all it's benefits. It works for me better than Android previously, but that is just me. It's people like you that love to keep this 'us and them' mentality very much alive on the forums. You are a marketers dream.

You claimed to be os agnostic and can swing either way (no pun intended). And you said it yourself that now you are slanting towards iPhone. whether you realized or not you are keeping the "us and them" mentality.

This is not an attack on your personality but why try to portray or act like you are neutral using rhetoric like "please enjoy both platforms" when you know the hardest thing to do is to be objectively neutral. Maybe I am skeptical person but when people use the neutrality factor it kind of seems pretentious to me.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

iPhone-Android thoughts

You claimed to be os agnostic and can swing either way (no pun intended). And you said it yourself that now you are slanting towards iPhone. whether you realized or not you are keeping the "us and them" mentality.

This is not an attack on your personality but why try to portray or act like you are neutral using rhetoric like "please enjoy both platforms" when you know the hardest thing to do is to be objectively neutral. Maybe I am skeptical person but when people use the neutrality factor it kind of seems pretentious to me.

I am certainly finding that I am having to defend the iPhone more on here of late so perhaps I am part of the us and them mentality. When I read some of the tripe that is often downright ridiculous, it's difficult not to defend when you know full well from experience it's not true. Let's take a couple of recent discussions between you and me where you claim not to understand why nobody would consider the iPhone over Android when you feel Android offers so much more. You asked the question while insinuating most people buy it because it's a status symbol. That is something that may be true in third world countries where the rich flaunt their wealth but elsewhere the iPhone is simply a ten a penny mobile phone. I argued this point to you and I felt you saw my point of view, only for you to ask it again 4 days later on another thread?

I do have a preference for the iPhone as I say, but I don't ridicule people for choosing Android and have recommended it to some friends and family in certain cases. That is the key difference. I may have my preference but I can also fully understand why someone would choose Android and I feel that mentality is lacking the opposite way round with you and many others. I read these threads and it's just constant put downs. You said above in response to somebody that praised the quality of Apples customer service that the iPhone is a 'calculator and way faster than a real smartphone'... Now you may have put a smiley on the end to insinuate it is a joke, but having read many of your comments I think it is consistent. We may all be part of the 'us and them mentality' but I do think it's in varying degrees and am certainly more neutral on that basis.

 

[Mildredop]

Android people feel threatened but will never admit it. That's why they quite often have to talk crap about iPhone. They live in fear.

This is a rather fascinating paragraph. It's like you're suggesting a phone is similar to someone's race or religion.

Unless, of course, you're twelve and talking about what the nasty big bullies say to you in the playground at lunchtime.

Which seems likely.

Personally, I see it as a mobile telephone and couldn't really give a crap what others think.

 

[The Game 161]

Well better specs for slower phones.

As far as AppleCare at least there is an option. Samsungcare anyone?

There is an option

It's called a carrier certainly on mine where I pay for insurance and they cover any kind of lost, theft, damage or anything and they sort it. So I don't need any Samsung care or anything

 

[ChazUK]

I made an interesting observation:

Why is it that Android people always make fun of iPhone and almost never the other way around?

Laughable.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...let-nexus-9-tablet-apple-tv-like-nexus-player

... Android 5 Lollipop.

Yes, because it sucks.

The jokes literally write themselves these days.

I'd like to impale that green robot POS with a stick up it's arse.

I can almost guarantee you that 64 bit Android running on this processor with that screen resolution will suck. But hey, they can stick "Now with extra 64-bit power!" on the spec sheet and moronic consumers will buy it just because.

$649 and $749 for a Nexus phone. LOLLLLOOOLLLLOLOL.

This is like charging $80,000 for a Kia

Now you know why Apple waits until the last minute to annouce there meetings. Google & Samsung know they need to be before Apple's meetings if they can. If Apple's dates were not leaked. you would never see these introductions until after Apple's. Copy, Copy, Copy.

The Nexus 5 started at $350. This starts @ $650. Same price as iPhone. The only draw of the Nexus was its value (I own the Nexus5). Now they're competing with Apple on price? ****ing hilarious. Oh, and they removed wireless charging. Oh, and it's still 32bit, while Apple is on 2nd generation 64bit. I'm sure Apple will "catch-up" to that eventually. The Nexus line lost it's #1 draw: Price.

The Player is an original, blatant AppleTV/Roku/Amazon Box ripoff.

The Nexus 9.. nice to see they finally saw the light and moved to 4:3, instead of 16:9. Even though all the fandroids and Apple haters were mocking iPad's 4:3 ratio, of course thats always been the right one.

These things wont make a dent. I guess the "dirt cheap" strategy didn't work for Google, so they just raised the prices to that of Apple's level, and adopted more of their philosophies, and called it a day.

 

[I7guy]

There is an option

It's called a carrier certainly on mine where I pay for insurance and they cover any kind of lost, theft, damage or anything and they sort it. So I don't need any Samsung care or anything

Sure, paying verizon or ATT 120/yr is mandatory with non Apple devices.

 

[mrex]

You forgot 4 years is IOS upgrades at least. Fantastic customer support. Higher quality apps. Better cameras and others.

something to mention... when you buy an android device, you buy a device not rights to get any os upgrades. if any company updates the os, you should be happy. google has a policy to upgrade os for 18 months atleast. no one else (except Oneplus with 2years) has said anything about upgradings.

higher app quality? maybe few years ago... but certainly pretty ridiculous, higher price for getting customer support or os upgrades...

over 4 years old devices running this year ios that would fantastic experience? give me one 4years old ios device supported by ios8.

 

[I7guy]

something to mention... when you buy an android device, you buy a device not rights to get any os upgrades. if any company updates the os, you should be happy. google has a policy to upgrade os for 18 months atleast. no one else (except Oneplus with 2years) has said anything about upgradings.

higher app quality? maybe few years ago... but certainly pretty ridiculous, higher price for getting customer support or os upgrades...

over 4 years old devices running this year ios that would fantastic experience? give me one 4years old ios device supported by ios8.

The 4s. Maybe not quite 4 years but close enough. Certainly a device 4 generations from where we are when the 6s will come out with IOS 9.

 

[mib1800]

I am certainly finding that I am having to defend the iPhone more on here of late so perhaps I am part of the us and them mentality. When I read some of the tripe that is often downright ridiculous, it's difficult not to defend when you know full well from experience it's not true. Let's take a couple of recent discussions between you and me where you claim not to understand why nobody would consider the iPhone over Android when you feel Android offers so much more. You asked the question while insinuating most people buy it because it's a status symbol. That is something that may be true in third world countries where the rich flaunt their wealth but elsewhere the iPhone is simply a ten a penny mobile phone. I argued this point to you and I felt you saw my point of view, only for you to ask it again 4 days later on another thread?

I do have a preference for the iPhone as I say, but I don't ridicule people for choosing Android and have recommended it to some friends and family in certain cases. That is the key difference. I may have my preference but I can also fully understand why someone would choose Android and I feel that mentality is lacking the opposite way round with you and many others. I read these threads and it's just constant put downs. You said above in response to somebody that praised the quality of Apples customer service that the iPhone is a 'calculator and way faster than a real smartphone'... Now you may have put a smiley on the end to insinuate it is a joke, but having read many of your comments I think it is consistent. We may all be part of the 'us and them mentality' but I do think it's in varying degrees and am certainly more neutral on that basis.

You got one thing wrong. I never said or pretended I am neutral nor do I want to be when the outcome doesn't coincide with the result of my evaluation or shown evidences.

But I will not to bury my head in the sand and not retort when someone brings out supposedly facts which are opposite of what available (tangible) evidences showed. e.g ... android lags...Touchwiz is crap. ..Apple ecosystem is best...ios ui is the easiest etc.

Let's look at this another way. What impression does the name Apple gives? Which company has a more cult following apple or Samsung? Don't say Samsung because that would be far from it.

Take away the cult following or brand name impression, how many iphone buyers would have dropped off given that you have to pay a premium price but with a spec sheet that is inferior to others.

I know most apple defenders will come and say..you pay for iPhone experience and ecosystem which are invaluable so people are willing to pay more. These reasons themselves are inspired by cult following and Apple marketing.

If I don't own a mac or iPads or apple tv or use itunes then the so-called apple ecosystem is actually a disadvantge to me. If I am more technically inclined the ios walled garden is regression to me. But if people belonging to these 2 categories still buy iPhone in spite of the disadvantages, what does that tell you?