iPhone-Android thoughts

[I7guy]

Of course neither yourself nor anyone you know would have been affected by the major IOS8 bugs.

Again, IOS and Android updates are different. Unlike IOS, I dont have to be running the latest version of Android to have all the most recent app updates. IOS apps only get updated when the entire operating system is updated.

So your saying it took Apple from IOS7 to IOS7.1.2 to resolve the speed issues? Plenty of articles online showing the iPhone4S running slow with the latest version of IOS.

How many millions of iphone 6's have been delivered. How many millions of IOS 8 upgrades from older devices. Is it inevitable that bugs will surface when dealing with tens of millions of new installations.

Again, I would rather have core o/s upgrades. It's great your app functions, but an ecosystem cannot be built around one app. Updates to the core of the operating system is needed.

I'm not saying it took apple to 7,.1.2 to get the performance tuned properly, you are sayinjg that. I'm saying at least quote the benchmarks from the latest release. That's quite a difference.

Also, I've seen a number of 4s running just fine...including my ipad 2 which has the same processor as the 4s, with the latest version of IOS. But in my opinion, I would rather the O/S slow slightly and extended the useful life of my idevice than the other way. Others feel the same way as that is one of the reasons people say the buy apple products.

 

[Dave.UK]

How many millions of iphone 6's have been delivered. How many millions of IOS 8 upgrades from older devices. Is it inevitable that bugs will surface when dealing with tens of millions of new installations.

Again, I would rather have core o/s upgrades. It's great your app functions, but an ecosystem cannot be built around one app. Updates to the core of the operating system is needed.

I'm not saying it took apple to 7,.1.2 to get the performance tuned properly, you are sayinjg that. I'm saying at least quote the benchmarks from the latest release. That's quite a difference.

Also, I've seen a number of 4s running just fine...including my ipad 2 which has the same processor as the 4s, with the latest version of IOS. But in my opinion, I would rather the O/S slow slightly and extended the useful life of my idevice than the other way. Others feel the same way as that is one of the reasons people say the buy apple products.

Im not talking about one app, im talking about all the major core apps which can be updated independently without the need for a full system update with Android.

The whole Android fragmentation argument is spread by people who dont understand how it works.

As for ios8, the bug was so huge they had to recall the update and in the words of Apple "were working around the clock to fix it". Then there was the update which resulted in your iCloud documents being deleted.

 

[I7guy]

Im not talking about one app, im talking about all the major core apps which can be updated independently without the need for a full system update with Android.

The whole Android fragmentation argument is spread by people who dont understand how it works.

As for ios8, the bug was so huge they had to recall the update and in the words of Apple "were working around the clock to fix it". Then there was the update which resulted in your iCloud documents being deleted.

I know nothing about the deleted documents except I think a mac was involved. I don't have one. As far as IOS 8.0.1 the issue was resolved with an itunes update vs an OTA update. But in the bigger context so what; these items were largely over-sensationalized? Certainly not as much as rogue android apps doing things they shouldn't and big time android security holes.

The 3 people who say they had it with apple on these forums will be gone; they will now be Samsung or HTC customers. But apple gained 10s of millions of sales with the iphone 6.

So I get the apple bugs bother you as a non-apple customer. However, I am a current apple customer, they don't bother me in the least. Plan on doing on OTA update to 8.1 tomorrow on all supported iDevices.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I had one or two issues when I first bought the iPhone 6 which was on iOS 8.0. In some apps the screen would not return to portrait mode after viewing things in landscape and a few apps froze momentarily. I held off installed iOS 8.0.1 because it was reported a small number of users in the states had lost the ability to make calls. None of my friends here who installed that update had an problems but I felt it was wise to hold off. About 4 days later iOS 8.1.2 came out and I installed it. This corrected my per couple of minor issues and touch wood the device has been running smoothly ever since. Over all I am impressed by it. It's bigger than my 5 and at first I wasn't too happy about that but I'm slowly adapting. It can be a pain when using it with one hand, especially who am holding a baby, but thankfully I haven't dropped it yet.

Perhaps Apple could release a disclaimer for older devices advising users of the benefits along with potential issues? A friend of mine has a 4S and although he says it runs fine on iOS 8, it's enough to tempt him to go for a 6 now. To be fair though it is only selected apps that insist you have the latest iOS btw. There are plenty that run fine iOS 6. Mainstream social media apps like you to have the latest OS but then again they have the cash to constantly update themselves. It's not like they will stop working too if you decide not to upgrade.

 

[apolloa]

first, read anandtech note 4 review, than come back here so we can discuss screen quality on both of these devices

second, android lag exists by design. it can always be running at 1000 fps and it will appear laggy, why? it has badly designed animations, or sometimes even worse, complete lack of animation, hence android lags by design. google just doesnt care about that kind of stuff, but thank god there are some who do.

Firstly, why would I read one review selected by you? Show me 8 reviews that state the same thing....

As for lag, erm, no just plain no. It does not lag, it does not have built in lag, you are imagining that. The animations are not badly designed, it is fast and snappy, then again you can turn off the animations, somthing Apple won't let you do by default.
iOS 8 is an utter disaster of an OS, it doe lag and is buggy and that's on my iPad Mini Retina! So no iPhone 4.. and considering it has the exact same CPU and GPU and screen as the brand new Mini Retina it shows how bad iOS 8 is.

I fell out of love with iOS with version 7, Apple totally and utterly placed form over function, but they also made it buggy and laggy, I await for iOS 8 to be made non buggy and laggy and things like Safari work properly without crashing which it did today, again..

Oh, my Nexus 5 literally destroy's my iPad with speed and snappiness.

 

[I7guy]

Firstly, why would I read one review selected by you? Show me 8 reviews that state the same thing....

As for lag, erm, no just plain no. It does not lag, it does not have built in lag, you are imagining that. The animations are not badly designed, it is fast and snappy, then again you can turn off the animations, somthing Apple won't let you do by default.
iOS 8 is an utter disaster of an OS, it doe lag and is buggy and that's on my iPad Mini Retina! So no iPhone 4.. and considering it has the exact same CPU and GPU and screen as the brand new Mini Retina it shows how bad iOS 8 is.

I fell out of love with iOS with version 7, Apple totally and utterly placed form over function, but they also made it buggy and laggy, I await for iOS 8 to be made non buggy and laggy and things like Safari work properly without crashing which it did today, again..

Oh, my Nexus 5 literally destroy's my iPad with speed and snappiness.

IOS is running great on my ipad and both iphone 5s's. No iphone 4, it crossed the 4 year boundary and only has a single cpu so it makes a lot of sense.

I really liked the look and feel of ios 7. IOS 8.,0.2 is rockin' on my 5s and ipad 2, a few orientation glitches here and there, but I'll be updating to 8.1 as soon as it hits the airwaves tomorrow.

 

[khha4113]

So they have bugs, which software doesn't. That's not even a talking point.

You're right, but it took 4 updates to correct some bugs (within a month) in IOS 7 is troublesome, esp. with Apple touts "It just works", isn't it? Also, it seems the trend continues with IOS 8.

I don't know what you mean by fragmented or slow older phones down. My iPhone 4 is running iOS 7 quite well. My iPad 2 is running 8.0.2. Judging by the ratio of complaints to adoption rates just another forum based talking point.

http://www.zdnet.com/ios-8-usage-fi...ragmentation-after-initial-uptick-7000034389/

 

[I7guy]

You're right, but it took 4 updates to correct some bugs (within a month) in IOS 7 is troublesome, esp. with Apple touts "It just works", isn't it? Also, it seems the trend continues with IOS 8.



Image

http://www.zdnet.com/ios-8-usage-fi...ragmentation-after-initial-uptick-7000034389/

Very impressive. Better than 90% using IOS 7 and later.

Not everybody was affected by every bug. For me..."it just worked". The people I know "it just worked". Sales of i6 are still in short supply...even after 8.0.1.

But still this has little to do with "why get an android". You gonna switch platforms everytime you encounter a bug?

 

[beosound3200]

Firstly, why would I read one review selected by you? Show me 8 reviews that state the same thing....

As for lag, erm, no just plain no. It does not lag, it does not have built in lag, you are imagining that. The animations are not badly designed, it is fast and snappy, then again you can turn off the animations, somthing Apple won't let you do by default.
iOS 8 is an utter disaster of an OS, it doe lag and is buggy and that's on my iPad Mini Retina! So no iPhone 4.. and considering it has the exact same CPU and GPU and screen as the brand new Mini Retina it shows how bad iOS 8 is.

I fell out of love with iOS with version 7, Apple totally and utterly placed form over function, but they also made it buggy and laggy, I await for iOS 8 to be made non buggy and laggy and things like Safari work properly without crashing which it did today, again..

Oh, my Nexus 5 literally destroy's my iPad with speed and snappiness.

you havent understood a word i was saying. if you had, you wouldnt mention ability to turn of animations.

nor did you see the review i posted. if you did, you would have known why i picked it.

 

[Closingracer]

I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 4, 3, and Samsung Galaxy tab s 10.5 in my house currently and have an iPad air 2 on pre order and can't wait for it. I love Android and prefer it over ios for phones but I can say this. Android and ios on phones each has its advantages and disadvantages and depending on you the advantages of each will appeal to you more then the other. I myself considered buying a 6 plus but realized I woukd miss the Android features to much but if I was rich and had money to burn I would gladly buy a iPhone 6 plus off contract as well. For tablets I think I am 50/50 and I'll be getting an iPad air 2 and going to prefer it to read magazines and such but movie viewing will be on the tab s 10.5 with its 16:10 aspect ratio and amoled screen which I prefer.

 

[Oletros]

second, android lag exists by design. it can always be running at 1000 fps and it will appear laggy, why? it has badly designed animations, or sometimes even worse, complete lack of animation, hence android lags by design. google just doesnt care about that kind of stuff, but thank god there are some who do

Cool story, it has nothing to do with reality but it is a cool and funny story

 

[beosound3200]

Cool story, it has nothing to do with reality but it is a cool and funny story

if you arent able to perceive it, it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. heck, if you were able to perceive it, you wouldnt be using android in the first place.

although then you wouldnt be able to download torrents and send mp3s over bluetooth

but i agree, its funny. its funny how a billion dollar company doesnt care about visuals. after all, we are visual beings. well, most of us.

 

[ChazUK]

but i agree, its funny. its funny how a billion dollar company doesnt care about visuals. after all, we are visual beings. well, most of us.

Give stock Android Lollipop a work when it's released.

Easily the most visually pleasing release yet, even in this developer preview stage.

 

[apolloa]

you havent understood a word i was saying. if you had, you wouldnt mention ability to turn of animations.

nor did you see the review i posted. if you did, you would have known why i picked it.

You said Android lags? What's so hard to understand about that? Even though I am yet to see it lag.

 

[beosound3200]

Give stock Android Lollipop a work when it's released.

Easily the most visually pleasing release yet, even in this developer preview stage.

yeah, i agree, they are stepping up their game considerably

----------

You said Android lags? What's so hard to understand about that? Even though I am yet to see it lag.

badly designed animations, or complete lack of animations in some places while navigating the UI is what massively contributes to the perceived non-fluidity of android.

fps were never the real issue. design was.

however, i think they have improved considerably in this regard in lollipop.

now, whats the difference between kitkat and lollipop in animations department? thats what im talking about.

but ill understand if you dont care about that aspect of our interaction with technology

 

[mib1800]

yeah, i agree, they are stepping up their game considerably

----------



badly designed animations, or complete lack of animations in some places while navigating the UI is what massively contributes to the perceived non-fluidity of android.

fps were never the real issue. design was.

however, i think they have improved considerably in this regard in lollipop.

now, whats the difference between kitkat and lollipop in animations department? thats what im talking about.

but ill understand if you dont care about that aspect of our interaction with technology

I don't care about animation. I turned it off. I just want speed.

You can only see smoothness if you slow things down. If you play a video at 2x speed it looks jerky. If you play it at half speed it will look smooth.

On ios they crank up the slowness to improve smoothness using long transition and really slow scrolling rate.

 

[beosound3200]

I don't care about animation. I turned it off. I just want speed.

You can only see smoothness if you slow things down. If you play a video at 2x speed it looks jerky. If you play it at half speed it will look smooth.

On ios they crank up the slowness to improve smoothness using long transition and really slow scrolling rate.

Exactly. Thats why it feels so much better than android

 

[mib1800]

Exactly. Thats why it feels so much better than android

No I find ios annoying especially with the really slow scrolling and animations. Once you have used android going back to iOS you can really feel the slowness and lethargy UI.

 

[beosound3200]

No I find ios annoying especially with the really slow scrolling and animations. Once you have used android going back to iOS you can really feel the slowness and lethargy UI.

That 'slowness' translates into fluidity by masking various loading processes

Also, the scrolling in android feels artificial, no physics

But i dont expect everyone to appreciate these little nuances. Luckily there's apple for us who do.

 

[tech4all]

I was with iPhone since the early days and then for a few years went to Android (my dark years) and recently I came back to iPhone and will never go back to Android period.

I made an interesting observation:

Why is it that Android people always make fun of iPhone and almost never the other way around?

I figured it out: iPhone users are in bliss, they know they got the most awesome phone and Android won;t every come close to that beautiful experience.

Android people feel threatened but will never admit it. That's why they quite often have to talk crap about iPhone. They live in fear.

Having been on both sides, this is my honest observation.

What are your thoughts?

You got issues.

Not really actually, I'm being pretty sincere here

I believe you. Because who speak the nonsense you just said really do believe they're 'special' and Android users are jealous or something. Don't think you think if someone buys a flagship Android phone, they could just as easily buy an iPhone? The answer is yes, they could but choose not to because in their opinion iOS is an inferior OS and offers nothing new. If you wanna use iOS go for it dude. I choose Android because I don't want to wait years for Apple to implement the same feature I could have now.

We live in fear? LOL That's rich dude.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

No I find ios annoying especially with the really slow scrolling and animations. Once you have used android going back to iOS you can really feel the slowness and lethargy UI.

Slow scrolling? That's a new one I haven't heard before. Yeah perhaps if you are using an iPhone 3GS but there is no slow scrolling on current devices. It scrolls differently to Android in respect to the way you scroll but it's plenty quick enough. Short and long gestures and tap to top, that's all you need to remember.

I have to plead ignorance here though, what animations?

 

[I7guy]

No I find ios annoying especially with the really slow scrolling and animations. Once you have used android going back to iOS you can really feel the slowness and lethargy UI.

Just to reiterate, that is only in your opinion. IOS feels more polished than android to me on the UI front.

 

[mib1800]

Just to reiterate, that is only in your opinion. IOS feels more polished than android to me on the UI front.

Consistent UI? yes. Polished? Nah. Just the centralized settings makes you want to vomit blood everytime you want to change values. Or the placement of back button at the position farthest from your reach and/or placement at random positions up to the whims of the apps. Or the home grid that insist icons be filled up sequential from the top which may leaves unsightly gap.

I am too tired to list more unpolished examples.

 

[I7guy]

Consistent UI? yes. Polished? Nah. Just the centralized settings makes you want to vomit blood everytime you want to change values. Or the placement of back button at the position farthest from your reach and/or placement at random positions up to the whims of the apps. Or the home grid that insist icons be filled up sequential from the top which may leaves unsightly gap.

I am too tired to list more unpolished examples.

I have no clue what you are referring to, you must be confusing two mobile operating systems. iOS is more polished, consistent and classier looking than android.

 

[mib1800]

I have no clue what you are referring to, you must be confusing two mobile operating systems. iOS is more polished, consistent and classier looking than android.

Isn't it obvious? Ios may look good but it is not refined with its not well thought out and haphazard UI like what I described above.