It tells me that your "disadvantages" are not seen as such by others. And that some like me, see the walled garden as an advantage.
That you used the word cult could describe most of the people on this forum.
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It tells me that your "disadvantages" are not seen as such by others. And that some like me, see the walled garden as an advantage.
That you used the word cult could describe most of the people on this forum.
2 iPads, 4 iPhones and Apple TV.
Well this is an apple centric forum isn't it? Even now I have couple of iPads and some of my family members used to use iPhone before coming over to android.
Enough of this "high level" discussion. Let's get back to the "us and them" thing.
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I liked the iPhone because it seems more regulated than Android, and for me that was an advantage. I felt back in 2012 when I switched that this meant app quality was better with less risk of downloading a dodgy app. I felt the general experience and App Store was more refined even if I was doing all the same things I had previously done on android. They were some of my personal reasons. You may not like that explanation but tough. I'm aware Android has come a long way in the last 2 years and these examples may no longer apply but it was enough at the time to persuade me to try something different.
I don't like the label 'cult' because in this situation it is derogatory and insinuates people are blindly buying something because they are being told to do so. If I were to judge my own situation off your opinion then I would indeed fall into that category and I refute that completely. You can't suggest people are wrong for buying the iPhone despite its disadvantages and be taken seriously. You may feel these are disadvantages to you but that doesn't mean everybody else shares that view. That is a bit like condemning people for buying red cars when you prefer blue. Our opinions differ based on taste. I don't mind paying a bit more for a phone that I prefer the user experience of. It's my money and if I couldn't afford it I would find a cheaper alternative. As long as the phone enables me to do everything I have the desire to do, then it is a justified purchase IMHO. If it doesn't meet your requirements then you buy something else and enjoy complete satisfaction.
The fact is for many people the iPhone is a nice experience. It's easy to use with a colourful intuitive interface that isn't over complicated and is well supported by accessory manufacturers. When you combine that with how well the hardware is packaged it is not surprising it is popular. It has nothing to do with a cult mentality, cult status maybe in popular culture but not cult behaviour. If products are good then people buy them, simple as that. Both Android and iOS have millions of happy customers worldwide so they are both doing something right. It's just down to us to decide which suits our needs and tastes the best while not jumping on the bandwagon of trying to ridicule those who differ.
I liked the iPhone because it seems more regulated than Android, and for me that was an advantage. I felt back in 2012 when I switched that this meant app quality was better with less risk of downloading a dodgy app. I felt the general experience and App Store was more refined even if I was doing all the same things I had previously done on android. They were some of my personal reasons. You may not like that explanation but tough. I'm aware Android has come a long way in the last 2 years and these examples may no longer apply but it was enough at the time to persuade me to try something different.
I don't like the label 'cult' because in this situation it is derogatory and insinuates people are blindly buying something because they are being told to do so. If I were to judge my own situation off your opinion then I would indeed fall into that category and I refute that completely. You can't suggest people are wrong for buying the iPhone despite its disadvantages and be taken seriously. You may feel these are disadvantages to you but that doesn't mean everybody else shares that view. That is a bit like condemning people for buying red cars when you prefer blue. Our opinions differ based on taste. I don't mind paying a bit more for a phone that I prefer the user experience of. It's my money and if I couldn't afford it I would find a cheaper alternative. As long as the phone enables me to do everything I have the desire to do, then it is a justified purchase IMHO. If it doesn't meet your requirements then you buy something else and enjoy complete satisfaction.
The fact is for many people the iPhone is a nice experience. It's easy to use with a colourful intuitive interface that isn't over complicated and is well supported by accessory manufacturers. When you combine that with how well the hardware is packaged it is not surprising it is popular. It has nothing to do with a cult mentality, cult status maybe in popular culture but not cult behaviour. If products are good then people buy them, simple as that. Both Android and iOS have millions of happy customers worldwide so they are both doing something right. It's just down to us to decide which suits our needs and tastes the best while not jumping on the bandwagon of trying to ridicule those who differ.
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Please don't think I am condemning anyone for buying iPhone. I always agree everyone should buy what they wanted based on what evaluation criteria that they used to arrived at that decision. I am happy for them if they feel happy with their purchase.
BUT..it is just sounds very wishy washy if you use your own purchase decision as the fact in a public forum. And to say that something is better based on your own personal decision to buy is untenable without some tangible 3rd party verifiable evidences to back it up. From my observations many apple fans use this filmsy approach far more than Android fans.
- apple ecosystems is the best and google steals your data.
- led notification is no good because I dont use it
-widget is useless
-big screen is useless
-android lag
-apple ui is the best.
....so on and on...I think you get what I mean.
On the cult following...I think you are underestimating the pull of this factor if you think it has no influence on people buying iphones. Do you see people all over the world go crazy for every iPhone launch even though apple has less than 15% market share. Do you see such craziness at the galaxy launch.
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Unless everybody uses their phones for the exact same tasks and in the exact same way, you are never going to get a satisfactory comparison to challenge your own views of the product you own. This is never going to happen because we all demand varying degrees of functionality. It's difficult to convince somebody your phone is better when your list of demands of so much more advanced than any thing they ever do with their phone or vice versa. When people use the word 'best' it means best for them rather than best overall, or that is the impression I get. Everything people say on here is subjective. It's best not tote wound up by the obvious.
Then we just have to decide how to best to nail the comparison down. I think it is better to use simple provable facts or specifications to do this. However having the best specs doesn't mean the winner. History has proven that. Look at the vhs vs betamax. Everyone knew betamax was the better technology. But it would be too sad if you denied this fact just because you were on the vhs side....just like some apple fans denied the fact that led notification is useful or not having USB drive/host capabilities is a disadvantge.
Updates that are littered with bugs (recently), fragmented and also slow older iPhones down.
Personally I prefer the Android model of updates - via the play store where all key features are updated.
To be honest I think there are enough comparisons and opinions in the public domain already to give people an idea which one is better for the individual. We all know here what each offers and can prioritise what is important to us.
We could try and do yet another comparison but unless it outright supports that Android is better, I doubt you would accept it. I say this because your above insinuation/example suggests Apple fans should acknowledge perhaps Android is better even though they made their choice. I don't think anybody buys something they feel is inferior and especially if it costs more money. How can a comparison even be drafted up if one side believes the other buys blindly? It's a useless task but feel free to make an attempt if you feel I have got this wrong.
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When you say older iPhones do you mean the 4 and 4S? I don't think it should be surprising that these will suffer considering their age. I know somebody who had my old S3 and that was on its backside last week due to limited support in recent months. I had that phone in June 2012 so it's only 2 years old and is now almost forgotten. I think it's to Apples credit that they still offer support to phones that are 3 years old but that might be just me.
This doesn't affect me though as I upgrade every 2 years so I don't fall into the trap.
And yet here you are PROVING my exact point.
You reply to me with:
Yet you replied to this:
With this:
See? First you go off on one about how wonderful the iPhone 6 screen is, then when you are called up on that topic you decide to claim you don't care and specs don't matter, then you reply back to me in the exact opposite manner claiming how wonderful the iPhone screen is!
And then you state to someone else on the topic of apparent micro lag on Android devices this:
So what ARE your opinions on apparent Android micro lag? Something which does not exist?
It's great you claim to be neutral and enjoy both operating systems, but your comments do come across as though you are wishy washing around topics, praising iOS a lot more and making accusations against Android more. Or maybe I am reading your comments wrong?
As for the cult topic, well like it or not Apple IS a cult, it's marketing department has very carefully constructed this mentality over years, because it equals hype which equals media coverage which equals sales.
You reply to me with:
Yet you replied to this:
With this:
See? First you go off on one about how wonderful the iPhone 6 screen is, then when you are called up on that topic you decide to claim you don't care and specs don't matter, then you reply back to me in the exact opposite manner claiming how wonderful the iPhone screen is!
And then you state to someone else on the topic of apparent micro lag on Android devices this:
So what ARE your opinions on apparent Android micro lag? Something which does not exist?
It's great you claim to be neutral and enjoy both operating systems, but your comments do come across as though you are wishy washing around topics, praising iOS a lot more and making accusations against Android more. Or maybe I am reading your comments wrong?
As for the cult topic, well like it or not Apple IS a cult, it's marketing department has very carefully constructed this mentality over years, because it equals hype which equals media coverage which equals sales.
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When you say older iPhones do you mean the 4 and 4S? I don't think it should be surprising that these will suffer considering their age. I know somebody who had my old S3 and that was on its backside last week due to limited support in recent months. I had that phone in June 2012 so it's only 2 years old and is now almost forgotten. I think it's to Apples credit that they still offer support to phones that are 3 years old but that might be just me.
This doesn't affect me though as I upgrade every 2 years so I don't fall into the trap.
I cant see how releasing a fragmented version of an operating system that slows a phone down can be considered a plus point.
The galaxy S3 started on Ice Cream Sandwich and then later went on to receive Jellybean and then KitKat. Also people seem to forget that Android updates all its main apps via the play store. So unlike IOS, Android users can continue running older operating systems yet still have the latest apps.
first, read anandtech note 4 review, than come back here so we can discuss screen quality on both of these devices
second, android lag exists by design. it can always be running at 1000 fps and it will appear laggy, why? it has badly designed animations, or sometimes even worse, complete lack of animation, hence android lags by design. google just doesnt care about that kind of stuff, but thank god there are some who do.
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When you say older iPhones do you mean the 4 and 4S? I don't think it should be surprising that these will suffer considering their age. I know somebody who had my old S3 and that was on its backside last week due to limited support in recent months. I had that phone in June 2012 so it's only 2 years old and is now almost forgotten. I think it's to Apples credit that they still offer support to phones that are 3 years old but that might be just me.
This doesn't affect me though as I upgrade every 2 years so I don't fall into the trap.
geekbench single core:
iphone 4s: 215
iphone 5: 710
iphone 5s: 1400
iphone 6: 1600
i think iphone 4s running ios 8 is nothing short of magic, and i think google agrees
The iPhone 6 does have a very good screen I haven't contradicted myself there. I say most consumers don't compare the dpi of screens because if they can't see the difference then there is no point because it doesn't matter. I bet the vast majority of people couldn't relay the specs their phone has, I'm not even fully aware what the iPhone 6 has and I read here daily! So again the 6 has a great screen, but in reality are there any flagship phones out there with a poor screen? I know you guys like to score points off each other here on this but still.
I don't really have an opinion on micro lag whatever that is? I do have experience of my older handsets stuttering between swipes and generally being slow. The S4 I was trying to fix the other night was like this and based on opinions here that could be labelled as lag. Seeing as it's not something I have to live with everyday I could say it doesn't bother me. I hope I have answered you question even if it is loosely related.
To address your last point I must confess then I am a cult member brainwashed by the Apple marketing machine lol.. Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous? Ha
I wouldn't say the iPhone doesn't have a good screen, I thought they were always pretty, perhaps it would be better to accuse Apple of the spec game as it invented the 'Retina' branding? Because the general public would see that. As for any high end phone these day's having poor screens? No I agree, I don't think they do, they are all pretty good. I also find mobile phone and tablet screens to be personal preference, for instance I never like Samsung screens, I also never like their TV screens as I find them too bright. Others love them.
But I understand where you come from now then.
I have yet to see any micro lags or slow down in Android so do not know what this is. But you have answered the question so thank you. I am actually the opposite and find my iPad slow and sluggish, can be laggy, Safari on the iPad winds me up no end as they saw fit to not have a loading progress bar and it is slower than Chrome on my Nexus 5, I for instance have to wait and wait before I can click on a link in a Google search on it. Pretty sure this is since iOS8 mind. I actually firmly believe my Mums iPad 3 is a much better device.
To address your last point I must confess then I am a cult member brainwashed by the Apple marketing machine lol.. Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous? Ha
You are! Apple has the best marketing department going! They have nurtured and developed their brand very very well, fans are so so so defensive sometimes, especially on here, I don't know any other fan base that can be racist to South Korea JUST because of Samsung!
They are also very good at, hiding things, like the real profile of the iMac... or the fact the new 5K model still uses a laptop GPU in it
anyway I'm blabbing now.
So they have bugs, which software doesn't. That's not even a talking point.
I don't know what you mean by fragmented or slow older phones down. My iPhone 4 is running iOS 7 quite well. My iPad 2 is running 8.0.2. Judging by the ratio of complaints to adoption rates just another forum based talking point.
Theres bugs and then theres major bugs - such as what Apple has suffered recently on the IOS8 release.
Fragmented as in older phones may receive the most recent version of IOS, but it has been stripped of features.
iPhone4S
I can't speak for major bugs in ios 8 I don't have problems with it. All software has bugs, period. Nobody I know running IOS has been hit by any of the forum based sensationalized bugs.
With regard to the graphic, I'd rather something open a millisecond later, and get the latest operating system than not get support at all. It can be expected, for example, the 4S doesn't have the capacity for slo-mo and therefore would not be available. Nothing wrong with that either.
Again, "non-talking" points. In addition, if you are going to post something at least make it up-to-date. Nobody is running 7.0 GM anymore. Find a graphic with 7.1.2 if you are going to post anything at all.
Of course neither yourself nor anyone you know would have been affected by the major IOS8 bugs.
Again, IOS and Android updates are different. Unlike IOS, I dont have to be running the latest version of Android to have all the most recent app updates. IOS apps only get updated when the entire operating system is updated.
So your saying it took Apple from IOS7 to IOS7.1.2 to resolve the speed issues? Plenty of articles online showing the iPhone4S running slow with the latest version of IOS.
This is just a conversation. I am very happy with my life.
No need to justify your contributions here to anyone.
It is interesting to read, no matter what the stance is.