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The Game 161

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The difference is that with Android you can make the home screen etc look whatever you want, unlike iOS where you have a grid of icons that cover your own wallpaper.

Choice is good but most people don’t want to mess to mess around changing their home screen

They just want a home screen for all
Their apps to make it clean and simple
 
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Choice is good but most people don’t want to mess to mess around changing their home screen

They just want a home screen for all
Their apps to make it clean and simple
Or most people want because they don't have another choice. I'm sure if Apple would change the home screen layout it would be praised and most users couldn't "Go back to the old layout" as it has always been :)
 
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The Game 161

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Or most people want because they don't have another choice. I'm sure if Apple would change the home screen layout it would be praised and most users couldn't "Go back to the old layout" as it has always been :)
I’m sure some would use it yes but point is it’s hardly something Apple fans care about giving the millions and millions more who buy iPhones over android phones.

A lot have said on here having widgets on your home screen clutters the home screen which it can do.

The average user could care less about changing things on the home screen. They just want to use it as how it’s intended.

As somebody who used loads of widgets on my android devices it’s nice but it’s not something I’ve missed as the main widgets I’ve used has been fine with the IOS widgets in Notification Center. That gives me the basics for scores and news just fine.
 

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I thought the iPhone X would get me back over to iOS but theres so many features I miss, and it just seems profit margins (Like not including a fast charging adapter, why Apple?) is more important for Apple these days than user experience or quality control. (Had to return my first one because of dust inside the camera lens, still experience force touch clicking noise sometimes, but I can't bother with another exchange)


Some of the features I miss on Android that made me preorder the S9+:

- FP sensor, FaceID is really getting on my nerve sometimes, Apple should've included a FP sensor on the back while they still perfect the FaceID technology.
- Notification light, miss just quickly looking at the phone if its on the table to see if I have a notification, and it changes color depending on Notification, yellow for Snap or blue for Facebook for example.
- Grouped notifications, the notification system in iOS is horrible, If i get 100 messages in a group chat this turns into 100 notifications on iOS, on Android this would be 1 grouped notification.
- Multitasking, use two apps at the same time. For me this is probably the main reason for switching.
- Secret folder, where I can not only store photos but also Apps, so I can install two version of the same app with different accounts on each, useful for apps that doesn't have multi account support.
- App specific audio, when I play Spotify on a bluetooth speaker and play off a video on my phone, I can get the audio from the video to play on the phone instead of blasting on the bluetooth speaker.
- Scroll screenshot, take an endless scrolling screenshot of a conversation or a web page. With the iPhone I have to take several screenshots, while on my old Samsung I only had to take one to cover the exact same content.
- Smart select, screenshot and extract text from the image, so it can copy text the iPhone would not be able to copy.
- Pin to top, screenshot something and pin a portion of it on top of the screen, useful if you pin a text and need to look at it while you write off it.
- No notch, I can't even see my battery percentage on my iPhone X without swiping down control centre.
- Customised home screen, I don't care much about widgets and stuff, but I want some of my apps to be on the bottom for easy reach, and not be forced to have apps order from top left corner and down.
- The headphone jack and expandable storage is nice to have but not a necessity for me.


This is just my personal opinion and why I decide to switch. For many people, iOS' simplicity, reliability and integration with other Apple products is more important than a more advanced operating system.
So for people that say Samsung wins hardware wise, and Apple on software, for me personally I feel it's the other way around. The software on Samsung is really powerful and I can be way more productive with the helpful tools they include. But just wait, on the next iOS release many of the software features Samsung had for years will be available, and Apple will call it revolutionary. For now I'll stick to Macbook Pro for my personal computer needs and Samsung as my phone, so I feel I get the best from both worlds.
 

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I’m sure some would use it yes but point is it’s hardly something Apple fans care about giving the millions and millions more who buy iPhones over android phones.

A lot have said on here having widgets on your home screen clutters the home screen which it can do.

The average user could care less about changing things on the home screen. They just want to use it as how it’s intended.

As somebody who used loads of widgets on my android devices it’s nice but it’s not something I’ve missed as the main widgets I’ve used has been fine with the IOS widgets in Notification Center. That gives me the basics for scores and news just fine.
That's a good point although I wasn't referring specifically to widgets.
 

jamezr

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It’s kind of sad that people think you’re bashing the Note8 by saying it stutters. It does if you stick with the TW Launcher. I’m guessing most reviewers who don’t see stutter changes to something else.
I use the TW launcher and stock TW apps and my Note 8 doesn't stutter or lag. I've had it since the launch.
 
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The point is to have full integration with all the devices. My post said that no company achieves this better than Apple. You objected to that. Clearly, your devices don’t integrate together as well as Apple devices do. Because you can’t get calls on your laptop, your tablet and your desktop. That proves my point that Apple is best at integrating its devices together. That is why we stay in the Apple ecosystem.
No I didn't. Someone said that didn't work too good with Android and I said it did for me. Dont recall if that was you or not.
It never crossed my mind I would be able to make calls on my tablet and don't care that I can't. That was never something I thought I'd do with it. That asside though, there are other things I can do on it that you can't on iOS and I'll take those everyday over being able to make a call.
 
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No I didn't. Someone said that didn't work too good with Android and I said it did for me. Done recall if that was you or not.
It never crossed my mind I would be able to make calls on my tablet and don't care that I can't. That was never something I thought I'd do with it. That asside though, there are other things I can do on it that you can't on iOS and I'll take those everyday over being able to make a call.

We are talking about handoff and integration with other devices. That was the point of the whole debate. The point is not what you can do on your individual device. The point is seamless integration and that no other company does it as good as Apple. That was the debate that you got on to. Clearly, your phone doesn’t fully integrate with your other devices like an iPhone does with Apple devices. You may not care about answering your phone on your other devices but others do. That is the whole point of integration and handoff. We know that Android is more flexible than iOS. That is well established, but when it comes to ecosystem integration, Apple cannot be touched. It stands on top of all the other companies.
 

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We are talking about handoff and integration with other devices. That was the point of the whole debate. The point is not what you can do on your individual device. The point is seamless integration and that no other company does it as good as Apple. That was the debate that you got on to. Clearly, your phone doesn’t fully integrate with your other devices like an iPhone does with Apple devices. You may not care about answering your phone on your other devices but others do. That is the whole point of integration and handoff. We know that Android is more flexible than iOS. That is well established, but when it comes to ecosystem integration, Apple cannot be touched. It stands on top of all the other companies.
Ok,I don't consider that to be something I'm missing. It intregates just fine with doing everything else.
I can customize my homescreens and lockscreen on one device and sync them together to look exactly the same on my other devices. Can you do that? If that isn't important to you then I guess we are in the same boat.
We can debate the little things all day if you want, but it don't make anything better. I just like what I can do more.
 

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Ok,I don't consider that to be something I'm missing. It intregates just fine with doing everything else.
I can customize my homescreens and lockscreen on one device and sync them together to look exactly the same on my other devices. Can you do that? If that isn't important to you then I guess we are in the same boat.
We can debate the little things all day if you want, but it don't make anything better. I just like what I can do more.

I can easily make my iPad home screen look like my iPhone’s. Back up to iCloud and download to my iPad. Done. But what is so functionally important about that? It is just looks. Whereas answering your phone on your computer is functional. Say you left your phone in the bedroom and you are in the living room on your laptop and the phone rings. With your setup you can’t pick up the phone. With mine, I answer on my laptop. This is functional regardless of user. What function does having the same look (not content) on all devices serve?
 

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I can easily make my iPad home screen look like my iPhone’s. Back up to iCloud and download to my iPad. Done. But what is so functionally important about that? It is just looks. Whereas answering your phone on your computer is functional. Say you left your phone in the bedroom and you are in the living room on your laptop and the phone rings. With your setup you can’t pick up the phone. With mine, I answer on my laptop. This is functional regardless of user. What function does having the same look (not content) on all devices serve?
So everything is in the same place. To make it look how i want and dont have to back it up to do it. iOS looks cluttered and a mess with the big icons covering up your background. And natively i CAN make phone calls on Hangouts. And again, I dont have a Android PC or Laptop so i cant do that on Windows...that i know of. I havent checked into them being able to do it because frankly, i dont care. Actually i can put Hangouts on Windows. I have recieved texts while on Windows without Hangouts. It works from Cortana.... and i can answer from the PC.. But thats Windows......again they dont work well with anyone.

Obviously recieving a call on your tablet or iMac is something you like or is important to you but it doesnt mean that yours is better. This is a preference detail. I dont have a desk job either so that function is cool but not that useful to me as it is to you.
I hardly ever make a call on Hangouts but i can. I mostly get them but i dont use it to call. And when my Wife calls me on it ive asked her why she called me on that and she said because her phone was in the other room. So yes, we've i used it....sparingly. But i cant recieve a call from just anybody on it.....and thats good because i get a ton of solicitors calling me these days that i just block on my phone and dont want it showing up on my other devices while im using them.

Bottom line is i have different brands and buy the ones i like. I enjoy Windows even though some dont but again, thats preference and if those things dpnt work together flawlessly, i dont care. I dont want to buy a Apple Laptop or iMac. Those are too expensive and frankly i dont want to be locked in to Apple like that. I manage just fine.
 
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It really comes down to your other devices. If you use Windows and an Android tablet then it makes sense to get an S9 or some other Android device.

But if you have a Mac and/or iPad then they all work really well together. The fact that you can text and answer calls on your mac is awesome. They all work together very nicely, which of course is the ecosystem.
 
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I think Android would become a much more compelling option if Google came out with a smart watch and tablet. I find it surprising Google still hasnt caught up with Apple on this. I use my tablet more than my phone because of the bigger screen so an iPhone is a very logical companion. I would go Android in a heartbeat if Google fixed this ecosystem problem because Android works the best with Windows
 

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I think Android would become a much more compelling option if Google came out with a smart watch and tablet. I find it surprising Google still hasnt caught up with Apple on this. I use my tablet more than my phone because of the bigger screen so an iPhone is a very logical companion. I would go Android in a heartbeat if Google fixed this ecosystem problem because Android works the best with Windows

Android tablets are dead. Might as well start looking at ChromeOS tablets or convertibles that run Android apps. And maybe some day Fuchsia.
 

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Dead how? Samsung sells many of them. And they make a watch, but I don't wear a watch so don't want one

Can you point me to a high end Android tablet that can compete with the iPad? Not one that’s using a now two year old processor. How about high end apps to use on that high end tablet? Can you point me to a Pixelmator or Affinity Photo or a video editor? What does an Android tablet today offer that makes it worth getting?
 

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Dead how? Samsung sells many of them. And they make a watch, but I don't wear a watch so don't want one

One OEMs' success =/= OS success. Android tablets are less existent nowadays. We haven't had a true Nexus 7 2013 successor. After ditching the Nexus 7, I thought iOS and Windows were the only viable options. Even the Galaxy Tab A isn't so great either. I know I can buy an entry level 2017 iPad and get good performance for a few years. Plus iOS is the only one that offers plenty of apps tailored to a tablet experience. iPads are great for children, businesses, students, elderly people, and other demographics.

High end Netflix, plenty of solid games, apps that support productivity, decent for visual/graphical work, FaceTime with technically challenged folks, typing up notes in class, reading PDFs, etc? It's all about tailoring apps to work on an ergonomic platform. Windows and Android don't do this well enough.
 

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Can you point me to a high end Android tablet that can compete with the iPad? Not one that’s using a now two year old processor. How about high end apps to use on that high end tablet? Can you point me to a Pixelmator or Affinity Photo or a video editor? What does an Android tablet today offer that makes it worth getting?
They are cheaper, that's competeting with the iPad pro. For instance I don't want the pen so I wouldn't buy the pro and many others wouldn't either. I didn't get the Pro when I recently got the iPad 9.7". No use for it and a reason why I don't get a Note. That and it's too big.
What it Offers today and always is being able to do the thing so you can't on iOS. Just like the phones. I don't even know what those apps are and I'm sure not everybody uses them. Not everybody uses the same apps that you do. I use my photo editor that's built in my galery and does what I need it to do. I don't know what those apps do that so great.
Maybe Android tablets are dead to you, but they still many of them.
 

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They are cheaper, that's competeting with the iPad pro. For instance I don't want the pen so I wouldn't buy the pro and many others wouldn't either. I didn't get the Pro when I recently got the iPad 9.7". No use for it and a reason why I don't get a Note. That and it's too big.
What it Offers today and always is being able to do the thing so you can't on iOS. Just like the phones. I don't even know what those apps are and I'm sure not everybody uses them. Not everybody uses the same apps that you do. I use my photo editor that's built in my galery and does what I need it to do. I don't know what those apps do that so great.
Maybe Android tablets are dead to you, but they still many of them.

They’re also dead to Google. They’re also going nowhere in terms of tablet optimized apps. Why do you think Google is pushing Chromebooks so hard? Because they’ve seen the writing on the wall, and it says anything but cheap tablets aren’t going to sell in numbers.

Also, you haven’t come up with a single thing that Android tablets bring that iPad can’t do. Go ahead, I’m sure you can think of something.
 
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They’re also dead to Google. They’re also going nowhere in terms of tablet optimized apps. Why do you think Google is pushing Chromebooks so hard? Because they’ve seen the writing on the wall, and it says anything but cheap tablets aren’t going to sell in numbers.

Also, you haven’t come up with a single thing that Android tablets bring that iPad can’t do. Go ahead, I’m sure you can think of something.
They’re also dead to Google. They’re also going nowhere in terms of tablet optimized apps. Why do you think Google is pushing Chromebooks so hard? Because they’ve seen the writing on the wall, and it says anything but cheap tablets aren’t going to sell in numbers.

Also, you haven’t come up with a single thing that Android tablets bring that iPad can’t do. Go ahead, I’m sure you can think of something.
Yes I did. I said the things that iOS can't do. You know what that is. Customization is still king. And asside from being able to take a call, it does the other things iOS does minus the Pen function. I'm not really sure about that even. Is the Note the only one that has the Pen? Sorry, I don't keep up on these things as much as most here. I don't need the latest and greatest. Costs too much to keep up with the Jones'.
I'm much more into my guitar hobby.
 

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Yes I did. I said the things that iOS can't do. You know what that is. Customization is still king. And asside from being able to take a call, it does the other things iOS does minus the Pen function. I'm not really sure about that even. Is the Note the only one that has the Pen? Sorry, I don't keep up on these things as much anymore. I don't need the latest and greatest. Costs too much to keep up with the Jones'.

So you can customize the home screen? That’s your silver bullet? How long do you spend staring at the home screen and not being in apps? As for other things, good to know Google finally got around to adding continuity features to Android. Open up an app on your phone and keep using it on your tablet, right? I’m guessing you have to target Nougat at least or did they add that in Oreo?
 

Vegastouch

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So you can customize the home screen? That’s your silver bullet? How long do you spend staring at the home screen and not being in apps? As for other things, good to know Google finally got around to adding continuity features to Android. Open up an app on your phone and keep using it on your tablet, right? I’m guessing you have to target Nougat at least or did they add that in Oreo?
Lol, I can customize a hec of a lot more than the home screen. Maybe you don't know what it can do. I assumed you did. If you don't know then I don't have the time to text all I can do to it.
 

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The difference is that with Android you can make the home screen etc look whatever you want, unlike iOS where you have a grid of icons that cover your own wallpaper.
I like a good wallpaper. Which is why I use the same one on both my Home Screen & Lock Screen. But once I'm on my Home Screen, I focus more on which of my most commonly used Apps I need to quickly access, without swiping left to get to it.

My Home Screen looks & functions how I want. & I can change it any time, if an App starts to get used more than an existing one on there, I swap them.
 
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