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iPod iPod classic 160GB (UK) volume too low
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Please lest not turn this into a political thing I just want my ipod to work right.
P.S. Just for the fact that kids are not killing them selves in schools everyday and I have free health care, I'll keep my crappy goverment restriction and the Ipod they provide.
No solution?
I am sorry that i do not have an solution to this volume problem on the ipod classic.
I can only confirm that it is a problem. I am a owner of an ipod classic 80 gb bought in Norway january 2008. I am also a owner of an iphone 16 gb bought in the US march 2008.
When i dock these two to my amplifier in my livingroom or my car, the classic demands twice the turns on my volumeknob to reach the same volume as the iphone. The iphone has about the same level of volume output as an average cd. Which is good in my standards. But the classic is terrible at the volume output. And of course; both have the same adjustements from itunes an many of the same albums aswell. I hope apple comes up with a solution soon, or that someone makes gopod compatible with the classic.
I am sorry that i do not have an solution to this volume problem on the ipod classic.
I can only confirm that it is a problem. I am a owner of an ipod classic 80 gb bought in Norway january 2008. I am also a owner of an iphone 16 gb bought in the US march 2008.
When i dock these two to my amplifier in my livingroom or my car, the classic demands twice the turns on my volumeknob to reach the same volume as the iphone. The iphone has about the same level of volume output as an average cd. Which is good in my standards. But the classic is terrible at the volume output. And of course; both have the same adjustements from itunes an many of the same albums aswell. I hope apple comes up with a solution soon, or that someone makes gopod compatible with the classic.
After seeing all the posts in this forum, I decided to search for a solution for my VERY quiet ipod classic 80gb
Just a quick note- I have just used that program 'eupod' and have definitely noticed a difference.
has anyone else used this? I can definitely notice a difference- and I dont think it is psychological lol
Just a quick note- I have just used that program 'eupod' and have definitely noticed a difference.
has anyone else used this? I can definitely notice a difference- and I dont think it is psychological lol
just used it, BAD very very very VERY bad had to restore my ipod
bad when you have like 6000 songs that takes a looooong timmeee.made me sad
mabye it just me but dont use eupod with an 80gb classic just in case
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iPOD Classic volume limit
I have really been disappointed with iPOD classic 160 which my wife bought me as Christmas present. I have been trying everything to improve the volume, because you just can't hear it outside, in a car or on an aeroplane, but have had no success. Surely something can be done or do I just throw it away and get an American iPOD
I have really been disappointed with iPOD classic 160 which my wife bought me as Christmas present. I have been trying everything to improve the volume, because you just can't hear it outside, in a car or on an aeroplane, but have had no success. Surely something can be done or do I just throw it away and get an American iPOD
this a headphone issue
People
I'm from NZ and got myself an 80GB classic way back before Xmas. I too found the sound real low and went to the extent of increasing the volume on my entire music library (about 34 GB) by 100% to get around it.
I found this workaround in a forum somewhere but its too much of a hack and then for every piece of music added later you have to increase volume. Boring.
Well it didn't really make much difference and I had to juggle the angle of the earbuds to get anything decent out of them.
Since then I brought some cheap (but reasonably stylish) Cygnet in-ear headphones and the difference in sound is just massive. They cost $NZ40 while earbuds here (if you want to replace them) cost $NZ70.
I've now rolled my library back to no volume adjustment and the sound out of those little cans is beautiful.
We must lobby Apple to do something about their abysmal earbuds ... They are an overpriced travesty for a now exceptional product.
People
I'm from NZ and got myself an 80GB classic way back before Xmas. I too found the sound real low and went to the extent of increasing the volume on my entire music library (about 34 GB) by 100% to get around it.
I found this workaround in a forum somewhere but its too much of a hack and then for every piece of music added later you have to increase volume. Boring.
Well it didn't really make much difference and I had to juggle the angle of the earbuds to get anything decent out of them.
Since then I brought some cheap (but reasonably stylish) Cygnet in-ear headphones and the difference in sound is just massive. They cost $NZ40 while earbuds here (if you want to replace them) cost $NZ70.
I've now rolled my library back to no volume adjustment and the sound out of those little cans is beautiful.
We must lobby Apple to do something about their abysmal earbuds ... They are an overpriced travesty for a now exceptional product.
iPod output impedence mismatch with HiFi inputs
I also have a "volume" problem... Specifically, I have a volume level mismatch between the iPod (classic) and the Aux input of the power amp even if I use the dock. The local Apple shop told me that using the dock would solve the problem but nothing has changed. Dock or no dock, the volume remains the same... It's about half the level of other sources
Since I am an avid EU MR reader... I bought my iPod in the US so I would not have to hack the volume but it still is below par...
How do you all hook up your iPod to your legacy Hi-Fi systems? I've got a pair of Bose 901 I am not willing to part with....
I appreciate any suggestions.... I thought of getting a pre-amp just for the iPod but I am afraid of adding "hiss"...
I also have a "volume" problem... Specifically, I have a volume level mismatch between the iPod (classic) and the Aux input of the power amp even if I use the dock. The local Apple shop told me that using the dock would solve the problem but nothing has changed. Dock or no dock, the volume remains the same...
It's about half the level of other sourcesSince I am an avid EU MR reader...
I bought my iPod in the US so I would not have to hack the volume but it still is below par... How do you all hook up your iPod to your legacy Hi-Fi systems? I've got a pair of Bose 901 I am not willing to part with....
I appreciate any suggestions.... I thought of getting a pre-amp just for the iPod but I am afraid of adding "hiss"...
I'm sorry but that is complete bull, all the ipods i have had from Europe (well over 10) have had the same volume as the american one i have bought. I think it is more likely that some iPods just have poorer sound that others.
volume "control" on iPod classic
IMO there is much too little space for an accurate control. I use only the first 2mm on the right end of the scale for turning down volume from too loud to almost inaudible and the rest of the scale I NEVER use. I think a patch should stretch that last 2mm to about two thirds of the whole length for a better control! It is most annoying that I have almost only to touch the controls and the volume of the music is either too loud or too low.
IMO there is much too little space for an accurate control. I use only the first 2mm on the right end of the scale for turning down volume from too loud to almost inaudible and the rest of the scale I NEVER use. I think a patch should stretch that last 2mm to about two thirds of the whole length for a better control! It is most annoying that I have almost only to touch the controls and the volume of the music is either too loud or too low.
The EU iPods are capped at being able to produce a maximum of 100db with the shipped earphones. Although the shipped iPods have a reasonably high efficiency (usually measured in decibels / milliwatt @ 1khz), they have a relatively high impedance (measured in ohms). So with aftermarket earphones you can play about with this. The lower the impedance and higher the efficiency, the louder the sound will be.
The cap is a little 'mother hen' or 'socialist' depending on which way you lean but considering how much scratchy music I hear from people several feet away from me on a noisy tube train, and it being a fact that the majority of people out there are essentially dumb creatures and do not realise that constant exposure to that level of sound will result in hearing damage, I think that they may need that degree of protection. And the fact that you protect the majority hard of thinking from themselves doesn't necessarily mean that you are overprotectively socialist - although I fully admit this is a different approach from other countries which may leave their hard of thinking to their own devices - or indeed to become a Vice-Presidential candidate - under the banner of 'freedom'.
The flipside of course is that people who like to run esoteric phones on their iPods may be restricted by the limitations of the output, since that may be too low to drive their 'Yes, I did used to get beat up at school all the time' nerdtastic headphone of choice.
Another factor affecting perceived volume is that the iPod earphones are open. That is, they let in outside noise. While this is desirable in some situations, if you are feeling the need to turn up the iPod to overpower the outside noise then you need isolated head/earphones. In terms of earphones, these usually have interchangeable 'bungs', ranging from silicone sleeves offering reasonable isolation (-10db) on earphones like the Sony EX range, all the way up to more complete isolation using foam tips on the Shure and Etymotic earphones. The more isolation you have, the more of the music you'll hear and the more you can turn down the volume.
The popular and reasonably priced Sony MDR-EX75/85 for example features good efficiency with a low impedance allied with about 10db of isolation with a properly fitted sleeve, which means that you can hear more of the music in portable use at a reasonable volume in comparison to the iPod earphones. The popular 'gumy' JVC phones though don't work all that well, since their efficiency is comparatively low - counteracting the effects of the excellent isolation of the 'marshmallow' tips.
The cap is a little 'mother hen' or 'socialist' depending on which way you lean but considering how much scratchy music I hear from people several feet away from me on a noisy tube train, and it being a fact that the majority of people out there are essentially dumb creatures and do not realise that constant exposure to that level of sound will result in hearing damage, I think that they may need that degree of protection. And the fact that you protect the majority hard of thinking from themselves doesn't necessarily mean that you are overprotectively socialist - although I fully admit this is a different approach from other countries which may leave their hard of thinking to their own devices - or indeed to become a Vice-Presidential candidate - under the banner of 'freedom'.
The flipside of course is that people who like to run esoteric phones on their iPods may be restricted by the limitations of the output, since that may be too low to drive their 'Yes, I did used to get beat up at school all the time' nerdtastic headphone of choice.
Another factor affecting perceived volume is that the iPod earphones are open. That is, they let in outside noise. While this is desirable in some situations, if you are feeling the need to turn up the iPod to overpower the outside noise then you need isolated head/earphones. In terms of earphones, these usually have interchangeable 'bungs', ranging from silicone sleeves offering reasonable isolation (-10db) on earphones like the Sony EX range, all the way up to more complete isolation using foam tips on the Shure and Etymotic earphones. The more isolation you have, the more of the music you'll hear and the more you can turn down the volume.
The popular and reasonably priced Sony MDR-EX75/85 for example features good efficiency with a low impedance allied with about 10db of isolation with a properly fitted sleeve, which means that you can hear more of the music in portable use at a reasonable volume in comparison to the iPod earphones. The popular 'gumy' JVC phones though don't work all that well, since their efficiency is comparatively low - counteracting the effects of the excellent isolation of the 'marshmallow' tips.
Volume Limiter
I've been reading over this, and many other similar forums, for some type of fix to the ridiculous noise limits on the 80GB classic.
I've read suggestions as to EUPOD, GOPOD, IMOD and others like it - all with absolutely no effect since they cannot recognise the 80GB Classic.
Could anyone please let me know if they know of a solution to this - and please, while I appreciate the lectures on the perils of playing music too loud, that's not what I'm looking for here.
Many thanks in advance
James
I've been reading over this, and many other similar forums, for some type of fix to the ridiculous noise limits on the 80GB classic.
I've read suggestions as to EUPOD, GOPOD, IMOD and others like it - all with absolutely no effect since they cannot recognise the 80GB Classic.
Could anyone please let me know if they know of a solution to this - and please, while I appreciate the lectures on the perils of playing music too loud, that's not what I'm looking for here.
Many thanks in advance
James
in my umble opinion
Not that it helps yet another person stating that this is a real problem (my old video Ipod was half inched so I replaced it with a naff Classic and there IS A MARKED DIFFERENCE)
It also doesn't help me saying that it isn't right that Big Brother tells me how loud my music should play...
Nor does it help one snitch that I completely agree with Propellerkuh that only the very top end of the volume scale on an Ipod is of any use...
And I don't have a fix I'm afraid...
But I do want this thread to stay alive so that someone out there finds something that can sort this out. I can't find a reply about the request for a copy of the US firmware for the Classic. Do we think this will work? PLEASE SOMEBODY...
Not that it helps yet another person stating that this is a real problem (my old video Ipod was half inched so I replaced it with a naff Classic and there IS A MARKED DIFFERENCE)
It also doesn't help me saying that it isn't right that Big Brother tells me how loud my music should play...
Nor does it help one snitch that I completely agree with Propellerkuh that only the very top end of the volume scale on an Ipod is of any use...
And I don't have a fix I'm afraid...
But I do want this thread to stay alive so that someone out there finds something that can sort this out. I can't find a reply about the request for a copy of the US firmware for the Classic. Do we think this will work? PLEASE SOMEBODY...
why cant they open their eyes?
picture this...
I buy a ipod classic 120gb off the high street. Instead of putting commercial CD quality music, i choose to listen to live music that has been recorded from somewhere, where the quality is not perfect and the volume of the track itself is not as high as the commercial stuff
I get on the rush hour bus. With stock headphones, all i just about hear the vocals at max volume. If i want to hear more, i have to hold the earphones in my ears like a fool
Why do i have to go through that because i dont want to listen to commercial music?
Okay thats cool, so i i buy "isolation" headphones to block outside sound out,
im trying to get the same rush hour bus, but this time i almost get run over, because i cant hear any cars due to my new headphones
Why do i have to take that risk?
The only resort i have left is going through my entire collection and making sure they are all at the same levels as commercial music, or whatever technical thing i have to do to make my music louder
Why do i have to take the time out of my life to do that?
isn't there a simpler solution?
apple already have the "volume limit" you can set yourself. instead of unlocking the volume and having no idea where to set it to be safe.... how about a little black bar on the scale, that shows the safe volume. Setting any volume below that, and the ipod will work fine.
If you go ABOVE this safe line and get into the danger zone, a warning pops up "extended listening at high volumes can damage your hearing" or whatever, they can make it as annoying as they want, like have the message pop up every 30 mins of continuous listening....just LET ME LISTEN TO MY MUSIC THE WAY I WANT IT
My main problem is that the EU have no concept of what reality is for people. Consider an appointment with a english General Practitioner (Family medicine). in the past, the GP would say basically "i know best, do what i say otherwise terrrible things will happen" and people followed that advise out of fear (this is what the EU is to me)
Currently, GPs are "more likely" to give you a balanced view based on evidence and try to give you information so you can make a decision. the point is as a patient, i would feel a lot happier if i had all the information myself and i could make the decision myself based on what is best for me...
WHY DO THE EU TELL ME WHAT TO DO??????
I get that not everyone cares that their volume is too loud for their ears....just make the message really annoying so that only the most dedicated listeners would go to that effort because it means so much....but at least let me make my choice.
the ignorance by these jokers is just ridiculous sometimes....
picture this...
I buy a ipod classic 120gb off the high street. Instead of putting commercial CD quality music, i choose to listen to live music that has been recorded from somewhere, where the quality is not perfect and the volume of the track itself is not as high as the commercial stuff
I get on the rush hour bus. With stock headphones, all i just about hear the vocals at max volume. If i want to hear more, i have to hold the earphones in my ears like a fool
Why do i have to go through that because i dont want to listen to commercial music?
Okay thats cool, so i i buy "isolation" headphones to block outside sound out,
im trying to get the same rush hour bus, but this time i almost get run over, because i cant hear any cars due to my new headphones
Why do i have to take that risk?
The only resort i have left is going through my entire collection and making sure they are all at the same levels as commercial music, or whatever technical thing i have to do to make my music louder
Why do i have to take the time out of my life to do that?
isn't there a simpler solution?
apple already have the "volume limit" you can set yourself. instead of unlocking the volume and having no idea where to set it to be safe.... how about a little black bar on the scale, that shows the safe volume. Setting any volume below that, and the ipod will work fine.
If you go ABOVE this safe line and get into the danger zone, a warning pops up "extended listening at high volumes can damage your hearing" or whatever, they can make it as annoying as they want, like have the message pop up every 30 mins of continuous listening....just LET ME LISTEN TO MY MUSIC THE WAY I WANT IT
My main problem is that the EU have no concept of what reality is for people. Consider an appointment with a english General Practitioner (Family medicine). in the past, the GP would say basically "i know best, do what i say otherwise terrrible things will happen" and people followed that advise out of fear (this is what the EU is to me)
Currently, GPs are "more likely" to give you a balanced view based on evidence and try to give you information so you can make a decision. the point is as a patient, i would feel a lot happier if i had all the information myself and i could make the decision myself based on what is best for me...
WHY DO THE EU TELL ME WHAT TO DO??????
I get that not everyone cares that their volume is too loud for their ears....just make the message really annoying so that only the most dedicated listeners would go to that effort because it means so much....but at least let me make my choice.
the ignorance by these jokers is just ridiculous sometimes....
There shouldn't be. The caps started with the 3G iPod, and continued on through the 5G Video.
Australian Vs Uk
Hi guys-
Having read everything on this thread, I have a simple question:
If I buy a new 120GB classic in AUS, will it be louder than the pathetic 80GB classic I bought in the UK about 6 months ago?
I'm not interested at all in how this volume difference may affect my hearing, thanks.
My girlfriend has a 30GB video ipod. We share the SAME itunes libary with the SAME mac. Her volume at 75% is way louder than my classic at 100%. I can't listen to it on the tube or on planes. Not interested. It's a waste of money.
I'm off to AUS next week, stopping off in Singapore. I'm ready to give my 80GB classic away as I simply cannot hear it over normal background noise that my girlf's ipod video deals with no problem.
I'd really like to hear from somebody that has actually compared an AUS or singapore model with a UK one. Please let me know if it's gonna be worth buying an all new ipod. If it works out, I'll send you the old one with a years applecare for free! How about that? I really don't want it!
Thanks, guys... Please help!
Hi guys-
Having read everything on this thread, I have a simple question:
If I buy a new 120GB classic in AUS, will it be louder than the pathetic 80GB classic I bought in the UK about 6 months ago?
I'm not interested at all in how this volume difference may affect my hearing, thanks.
My girlfriend has a 30GB video ipod. We share the SAME itunes libary with the SAME mac. Her volume at 75% is way louder than my classic at 100%. I can't listen to it on the tube or on planes. Not interested. It's a waste of money.
I'm off to AUS next week, stopping off in Singapore. I'm ready to give my 80GB classic away as I simply cannot hear it over normal background noise that my girlf's ipod video deals with no problem.
I'd really like to hear from somebody that has actually compared an AUS or singapore model with a UK one. Please let me know if it's gonna be worth buying an all new ipod. If it works out, I'll send you the old one with a years applecare for free! How about that? I really don't want it!
Thanks, guys... Please help!
Any ideas about Australian ipod classics, guys?
Are these affected with this issue?
If anyone knows, please let me know as I really need a louder ipod!
cheers-
Are these affected with this issue?
If anyone knows, please let me know as I really need a louder ipod!
cheers-
Hi there,
I've set up a facebook petition for this if anyone wants to join...
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17150044995
I've set up a facebook petition for this if anyone wants to join...
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17150044995
Hi Dudes!
I tried different easy things to make my iPod (EU) louder... GoPod and so on...
But that doesn't work...
So I went to the USA to buy an US iPod. - There I downloaded the US Software to be sure that I install a US Software (if there are differences).
Back Home I installed the US Software on the EU iPod, but that didn't change anything. (It would be too easy...)
So I cloned the iPod's (US) HD to the EU ones. That didn't change anything, too...
So after a thousand tests, I came to the point that I can say:
It's definitely NOT the Software that's modified for the EU market. The software detects the EU iPod (and with that the maximum volume) via Serial No. and Model No.
So a solution could be: Change the Serial and Model No. of the EU iPod to one of a US iPod. But it's not possible to do that via Software, so you must do it on the Hardware-Side. - But that WOULD solve the problem.
And now it gets interesting... (But still no solution.)
I tried so many things to get the EU iPod as loud as the US one... I'm good with Software and Hardware, so I think I did everything that can be done (without changing anything on the Hardware of my iPod).
I formated the EU iPod's HD and recognized that the iPod still boots (albeit with errors)...
So I "rebuilt" the folder-structure of the iPod's system. (I created folders with no content.) And what happened!? - The iPod just booted!
So... Apple doesn't install the Software on the HD... There MUST be an EPROM or a Flash-Drive where the system is installed on. And maybe even the decrypted system.
What I think is...
...there are two (possible) solutions to get the iPod louder:
1. Change the Serial and Model No. of the iPod to one of an US iPod (by Hardware)
Or...
2. Change the system on the EPROM or Flash-Drive... But I don't think that there's a decrypted system installed 'cause the iPod boots pretty slow and that could mean that it decrypts the system on demand...
That's what I know....
Maybe it helps?
Greets, Mike.
I tried different easy things to make my iPod (EU) louder... GoPod and so on...
But that doesn't work...
So I went to the USA to buy an US iPod. - There I downloaded the US Software to be sure that I install a US Software (if there are differences).
Back Home I installed the US Software on the EU iPod, but that didn't change anything. (It would be too easy...)
So I cloned the iPod's (US) HD to the EU ones. That didn't change anything, too...
So after a thousand tests, I came to the point that I can say:
It's definitely NOT the Software that's modified for the EU market. The software detects the EU iPod (and with that the maximum volume) via Serial No. and Model No.
So a solution could be: Change the Serial and Model No. of the EU iPod to one of a US iPod. But it's not possible to do that via Software, so you must do it on the Hardware-Side. - But that WOULD solve the problem.
And now it gets interesting... (But still no solution.)
I tried so many things to get the EU iPod as loud as the US one... I'm good with Software and Hardware, so I think I did everything that can be done (without changing anything on the Hardware of my iPod).
I formated the EU iPod's HD and recognized that the iPod still boots (albeit with errors)...
So I "rebuilt" the folder-structure of the iPod's system. (I created folders with no content.) And what happened!? - The iPod just booted!
So... Apple doesn't install the Software on the HD... There MUST be an EPROM or a Flash-Drive where the system is installed on. And maybe even the decrypted system.
What I think is...
...there are two (possible) solutions to get the iPod louder:
1. Change the Serial and Model No. of the iPod to one of an US iPod (by Hardware)
Or...
2. Change the system on the EPROM or Flash-Drive... But I don't think that there's a decrypted system installed 'cause the iPod boots pretty slow and that could mean that it decrypts the system on demand...
That's what I know....
Maybe it helps?
Greets, Mike.
attention AUSTRALIAN users!
I just bought a 120 GB classic for my father for christmas from JB, and its volume is definately louder than the 80GB classic i bought in the UK last year. I compared the 2 using the home stereo playing the same mp3 at max volume (on the ipods).
As i primarily use my ipod plugged into my home stereo and car stereo using the audio out the low volume on the UK 80GB is a serious issue, especially since one of my amplifiers isnt very powerful! my old 4th generation is deafening in comparison (in a good way!).
as for all the health lectures - i DONT appreciate them, go smoke a joint and relax
I just bought a 120 GB classic for my father for christmas from JB, and its volume is definately louder than the 80GB classic i bought in the UK last year. I compared the 2 using the home stereo playing the same mp3 at max volume (on the ipods).
As i primarily use my ipod plugged into my home stereo and car stereo using the audio out the low volume on the UK 80GB is a serious issue, especially since one of my amplifiers isnt very powerful! my old 4th generation is deafening in comparison (in a good way!).
as for all the health lectures - i DONT appreciate them, go smoke a joint and relax
Mike
I would assume it works like the other ipods. With those there was just one bit of data that enabled the cap. Gopod changed this bit. What needs to be discovered is the location of this bit on the new classic.
The way to do this, i think, would be to read the data directly from both a UK and US classic. Then run a compare. This should then find the data that is different. It is no good just reading the firmware from the internet because I don't think the bit is set until it is written to the ipod.
Phil
I would assume it works like the other ipods. With those there was just one bit of data that enabled the cap. Gopod changed this bit. What needs to be discovered is the location of this bit on the new classic.
The way to do this, i think, would be to read the data directly from both a UK and US classic. Then run a compare. This should then find the data that is different. It is no good just reading the firmware from the internet because I don't think the bit is set until it is written to the ipod.
Phil