For those of us with families (Wife, Kids, older Parents) the 1Password Family subscription is a lifesaver. Can't imagine getting along without it these days.
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Is 1password still worth having....
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1Password is the only third party manager I've used but I will take it over Keychain any day. It is easier to use, has more options, is cross platform and cross browser, and has many other perks that have been mentioned in this thread. I will say it works better in browsers other than Safari, which I take it to be because of sandboxing imposed by Apple(?). But with Firefox or Edge or whatever, using the 1Password X extension makes everything so simple.
If Safari on my 2013 iMac wasn't already a horrific mess that can't seem to be fixed, using 1Password X alone would probably be enough to get me to move to Firefox or Edge. The way I work it (for safety and redundancy) is that I use Firefox/Edge with the 1Password X extension, but also keep the standalone app on the Mac and present in the menubar. When I create a new login or change a password, I manually add it to Keychain as a backup.
I am not a fan of software subscriptions but I won't think twice about $37/yr for 1Password. A robust and reliable password manager is important enough to where I will gladly skip one trip to a restaurant every 12 months to cover the cost.
If Safari on my 2013 iMac wasn't already a horrific mess that can't seem to be fixed, using 1Password X alone would probably be enough to get me to move to Firefox or Edge. The way I work it (for safety and redundancy) is that I use Firefox/Edge with the 1Password X extension, but also keep the standalone app on the Mac and present in the menubar. When I create a new login or change a password, I manually add it to Keychain as a backup.
I am not a fan of software subscriptions but I won't think twice about $37/yr for 1Password. A robust and reliable password manager is important enough to where I will gladly skip one trip to a restaurant every 12 months to cover the cost.
this is probably one of the only pieces of software I'd be willing to pay the subscription fee on...it's outstanding..the company is rock solid...i emailed Tim C a long time ago saying "BUY THIS COMPANY NOW!...this is how you're supposed to do passwords!"....of course there was a rumor at one point it was gonna happen...they still should take my advice 
I have no issues subscribing.
Same with:
Quicken Mac
MS Office 365
Apple Music Family
Apple Care +
in many instances, the issues are not that simple. With a household with multiple Apple ID’s you need a 1PW Subscription. Since we have larger iPad Pro models, the stand alone version of Office will not do.
I also don’t understand people who complain about subscriptions and yet frequently get the newest iPad Pro, iPhone Pro, upper tier Apple Watch etc.
Same with:
Quicken Mac
MS Office 365
Apple Music Family
Apple Care +
in many instances, the issues are not that simple. With a household with multiple Apple ID’s you need a 1PW Subscription. Since we have larger iPad Pro models, the stand alone version of Office will not do.
I also don’t understand people who complain about subscriptions and yet frequently get the newest iPad Pro, iPhone Pro, upper tier Apple Watch etc.
I'd probably do something like this if I didn't have a bunch of stuff shared with my wife. Being able to confidently answer "it's in your 1Password" when asked how to log into [utility/streaming account/etc] -- that alone makes it worth the sub price each year.
You don't have to keep paying every month for your device to keep working -- and you can lend, give away or resell it whenever you please. These benefits of true ownership don't apply to software you're renting and which stops working the moment you stop paying. (I'd make a similar arguement about download-only console video games as well. You don't fully own something you can't transfer ownership of.)
Even in the days before subscription, one never owned the software. When you purchased, you purchased and agreed to license terms.
Fair point, but there's still a world of difference between buying software and renting it.
I agree. But sometimes you have no choice.
Apple Music.
We need a family option for our PW manager, to work with multiple Apple ID’s.
The stand alone version of Office won’t support iPad Pro.
I am rocking Bitwarden now. It's solid choice I think. Open source nature keep them from being shady practice which is good and keep transparent.
Bitwarden requires a subscription for family. So if you need to manage passwords across multiple Apple ID’s you are no better off. When comparing products, you need to state your parameters (single Apple ID. Multiple, family, teams etc). Otherwise comparisons are meaningless.
How would keychain work across a household with multiple Apple ID’s?
I have Mac, Windows, and ChromeOS devices (+ Android and iPhone). Just for cross-platform compatibility it's worth keeping a subscription. On top of that, I like using different vaults for work passwords vs. personal ones, and I use 1pass to keep things like credit cards, passport info, driver's license, and software licenses.
+1.
Touch ID on iPhone, cross-platform, and the free version is very good. Paid version offers even more (running free version so far).
Is it safe though? If something happens with their servers and the sync f's up, all your accounts are gone. Especially if all your accounts sync at once with the servers. Or hackers destroying the servers that do the syncing. I can trust the fact that these managers are great at encryption and ease of use but ease of mind?
I've read so many feedbacks from users of password managers that lost accounts because of syncing issues and that's not even your fault then.
I don't know, the idea is great but if something happens you'll never again get your accounts?
I've read so many feedbacks from users of password managers that lost accounts because of syncing issues and that's not even your fault then.
I don't know, the idea is great but if something happens you'll never again get your accounts?
+1 for 1password. Although caveat that I use it to share passwords across teams - for that, it's been the easiest/best/most secure. For individual use, I've been happy w LastPass, although see folks' comments above about it...
Regardless of the service/brand, the wise thing to do would be to periodically download and save the PW/info, so one cannot be locked out due to a sync error, outage, problem, or a company evaporating overnight. Physical possession is key; digital or printed, one needs to keep secure copies outside of the sync server.
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Also...Firefox offers fairly robust, feature-rich and free PW management. Sync between devices and platforms...pretty painless. Firefox (Mozilla) is probably just as reliable (company stability, long-term health, etc) as any other provider.
That sounds like a good solution. The only question left is: What if something happens with the servers and/or hackers get access and every users passwords are changed and then synced? That would mean that even passwords you stored locally don't work anymore. Is that possible?
This is true with some tools: At the core level, one either trusts the PW manager company...or one doesn't. If you don't, then a non-syncing tool would be the best option.
Some, like Bit Warden, have an option to self-host, so your info is never on any device you don't own. They also never have your unencrypted passwords; they can't see or access them, nor could anybody that hacked them.
I see Bit Warden gets recommended a lot. What do you mean by hosting it by yourself? Can you still sync between devices if it's not in the cloud? If the data is encrypted on their servers, how could hackers theoretically change the passwords? I read people even have issues with their master passwords. They can't login even when they're sure it's the correct password. How to have a fool proof solution for things like this?
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Happy to stick with keychain it's free and simple. The only headache I fine is when I want to use Google Chrome I have to retrieve the password from my keychain. No big deal, and a small trade off for using Chrome every few weeks.
Self-hosted means running your own sync server. Not for the average user....built for orgs that want 100% control. You (or anybody) could run their own server, and never have to worry about Bit Warden being hacked or closing down....but then you would have to secure your own server, not to mention running a 24/7 server!
How could hackers get encrypted PWs from a server? They can't without the key....which only the end-user has.
Could they guess or steal your master password? Yes. Could one of your devices (that is set to automatically connect to BW) be stolen or taken control of? Yes. If your master PW is stolen or guessed, would an attacker have control of all your saved PWs and the entire password app? Yes.
These sorts of breaches are on the end-user, regardless of what system they use. Same problem if you keep your PW in Keychain, on a Word doc, a Sticky note, or something like Evernote.
The best way to prevent theft/access due to physical possession or guessing/stealing your master PW would be to use 2-factor authentication. Less convenient, more secure. 2FA is currently the stongest method to prevent a single PW from being the only thing preventing access, regardless of platform or app choice.