Is anybody beginning to personally dislike Jobs?

[localoid]

... Though during the iPod event he said 'cool' far too much for a 50+ year old man (guessing age).

Every generation seems to think they alone can define what's cool, but no, your generation didn't invent the term. "Cool" was in common use in the 1940s by (primarily black) jazz musicians and by the 50s, the (mostly white) beatniks were using it. By the 60s it was used by the "Merchants of Cool" to market their products. Get used to it... Get over it...

 

[ryanwarsaw]

I did not know that. Thanks for the info.

 

[NT1440]

The guy that pumps out in Steve's opinion "third rate products" is also the worlds largest philanthropist.

if your talking about gates, thats pretty damn easy to do when you were/are the worlds richest man.


and what did that have to do anything with jobs?

 

[hellomoto4]

What's wrong with him?!
I reakon he's great!

 

[ryanwarsaw]

if your talking about gates, thats pretty damn easy to do when you were/are the worlds richest man.


and what did that have to do anything with jobs?

It was a mere comparison. It beats parking in handicapped zones.

 

[NT1440]

It was a mere comparison. It beats parking in handicapped zones.

wtf are you even talking about?

why is it that people take things personally when a COMPANY doesnt meet every expectation you have?

 

[dejo]

The guy that pumps out in Steve's opinion "third rate products" is also the worlds largest philanthropist.

But using money, some of which was gained through illegal means, for good is okay though, right?

 

[ryanwarsaw]

How is it that CEO can lie to their customers and it isn't personal?

 

[archesdevil]

How is it that CEO can lie to their customers and it isn't personal?

Steve Jobs has not lied to his customers. If you are so unhappy with the Apple experience, then leave.

 

[NT1440]

How is it that CEO can lie to their customers and it isn't personal?

Because thats all that CEOs and companies usually do anyway, are you suprised because you expected more from the almighty apple? guess what, they are a company like every other.

I still cant recall any time that steve flat out lied to us about ne thing. Can you provide more proof than the UK considering something misleading?

 

[ryanwarsaw]

Because thats all that CEOs and companies usually do anyway, are you suprised because you expected more from the almighty apple? guess what, they are a company like every other.

I still cant recall any time that steve flat out lied to us about ne thing. Can you provide more proof than the UK considering something misleading?

When he said web 2.0 apps were sufficient. Remember when the phone had no native apps? \the uk thing was misleading enough that it was pulled, enough said.

 

[dejo]

When he said web 2.0 apps were sufficient.

Maybe when he said Web 2.0 apps were sufficient, the iPhone SDK was not even close to being ready for public consumption. So, should they have released it anyways? I'm not saying I know this for sure. Just suggesting to consider the possibility.

Remember when the phone had no native apps?

The iPhone has always had native apps, like Safari, Mail, Weather, etc. Are you thinking of "3rd-party apps"?

 

[NT1440]

When he said web 2.0 apps were sufficient. Remember when the phone had no native apps? \the uk thing was misleading enough that it was pulled, enough said.

underlined is an opinion.

The uk thing. i wasnt aware that steve jobs himself personally makes every thing apple does. I wasnt aware he works for apples advertising department as well. He must be a busy busy man

 

[ryanwarsaw]

Okay I was wrong.

 

[Abstract]

Is there some law I missed?

You're supposed to say "Groovy".

 

[NT1440]

Okay I was wrong.

what happened to this website!?

 

[coupdetat]

wtf are you even talking about?

why is it that people take things personally when a COMPANY doesnt meet every expectation you have?

And why is it that apologists always disallow honest debate?

Let me spell it out for you. Bill Gates is a huge philanthropist who changes the lives of millions through his work. Steve Jobs is a great CEO whose company makes great products, but not necessarily a charitable person.

 

[clevin]

Steve Jobs has not lied to his customers. If you are so unhappy with the Apple experience, then leave.

oh ohoh, leave if you dont like SJ. MR mods, is this the type of discussion environment you think proper here?

Either one of you want to give a specific example of something he said or did you think was dishonest? Rather than making a statement but providing no rationale for it.

examples, I noticed you use the expression "something he said". Lets just make it clear first, that I haven't hear a sentence he uttered on the stage. since he is the one give 2-3 hr speech each year to hype apple's products, I have to attribute all the words on apple's website under his name.

now samples of dishonest, under the previous disclaimer, which, Im sure he himself uttered some of them, if not all.

1. windows has 144,000 viruses, now does it?

2. safari for windows, "secure from day 1", the claim was taken down 2 days after first appearance due to the disclosure of two security holes.

3. MM, push everywhere. the claims were modified later

4. during installation of iTunes for windows, it will install an "updater" for you, but the updater is actually not only an updater.

5. half the price, double the speed, for some people?

6. our products' screen has "millions of colors". now does it?

7. carpet bomb security hole is "not a risk"

there are more, and i would come up more if I have time to check all the claims on apple.com. but enjoy these for now. I expect spins, so if you want to, feel free.

Because thats all that CEOs and companies usually do anyway, are you suprised because you expected more from the almighty apple? guess what, they are a company like every other.

I still cant recall any time that steve flat out lied to us about ne thing. Can you provide more proof than the UK considering something misleading?

Because no other CEO lie in such a personal way. They don't go out on stage 2 or 3 times a year to pump their products on a super hyped environment.

Why are you here?

last time I checked, MR doesn't have a rule that "we forbid users who dislike SJ"?

please be careful with your statement, those type of anti-free speech stuff would harm the reputation of MR, which I actually think is quite good as of now.

Also, I remember receiving quite a few "thank you" notes with my 7600+ posts before. You don't think I just post 7600+ hate posts against SJ, do you?

 

[Keebler]

the question should read if 'the image of steve jobs' b/c unless you've met someone, how can you like/dislike them?

we only know 'of' him through the media (for the most part).

 

[Buttercookie]

I have no reason to personally dislike Steve Jobs.

 

[macfan881]

Isn't that my right if I personally feel that way?

This is turning into a thread that is about like arguing over the name Itouch or Ipod touch or iPod touch.

According to prior logic it can't be personal because nobody here has met me.

it would also help your post if you explained why.

 

[NT1440]

And why is it that apologists always disallow honest debate?

Let me spell it out for you. Bill Gates is a huge philanthropist who changes the lives of millions through his work. Steve Jobs is a great CEO whose company makes great products, but not necessarily a charitable person.

Yes i realize Gates does give massive amounts of money. I was saying thats easy to do when your the richest (or were) man in the world. It doesnt cut away from him giving so much, but (example) when you have enormous wealth it is easier to give away money.

Jobs has donated in the past. No one is certain if he continues to, because you can donate anonymously.

 

[Kebabselector]

Get used to it... Get over it...

Well that told me then.

 

[jodelli]

I need another option. I'm not beginning to dislike him, I already do. His mistreatment of people is legendary.

 

[dejo]

Steve Jobs is a great CEO whose company makes great products, but not necessarily a charitable person.

And you know this how?