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Is anybody beginning to to dislike Steve Jobs?

  • No.

    Votes: 157 68.6%
  • Yes.

    Votes: 28 12.2%
  • I personally like him but think he is losing credibility by making claims that are too large.

    Votes: 34 14.8%
  • I have begun to hate him.

    Votes: 10 4.4%

  • Total voters
    229

JNB

macrumors 604
My conclusion from this poll is... that around 35% find that they possibly like Apple but not Jobs himself. I will decline further comment and let the poll speak for itself.
That would be 35% (actually, more like 20% since you include a response item that has nothing to do with like or dislike, but credibility) of the people that saw and then bothered to respond, right? Which equates to exactly what in the real world, in percentage or significance?
 

northy124

macrumors 68020
Nov 18, 2007
2,293
8
My conclusion from this poll is... that around 35% find that they possibly like Apple but not Jobs himself. I will decline further comment and let the poll speak for itself.

The poll has spoken more people like than dislike Jobs.
 

jodelli

macrumors 65816
Jan 6, 2008
1,219
4
Windsor, ON, Canada
and that translates to him being a horrible person.....how?
It's just one more example of his complete lack of empathy for anyone but himself. It's manifested in his psychotic outbursts with the people he works with as well.
It simply doesn't occur to him that there's anything wrong with it.
And it's tolerated because he's an eccentric genius.
 

MacTraveller

macrumors regular
Aug 7, 2008
244
0
What Steve Jobs says or whatever egotistic opinions he has.... means little. What Steve Jobs has done, the work that he has done, and what innovative products he has helped to create... is the only thing that affects consumers.

I could care less if Steve Jobs was some smelly dark-skinned mental nutcase who is a Godless communist who thinks Paris Hilton is sexy, and he thinks Sarah Palin is hawt. I could care less what he says or what he thinks. The only thing that matters is action. What he has done. And he has done a LOT. The fact that people actually care about Apple Products, and spend tons of hours wasting their time on these MacRumors forums thinking about Apple Products... means that Steve Jobs has been doing some fairly brilliant work. Who cares about his ego or his celebrity? Why does any of that superficial stuff matter?? How does that affect ordinary people??
 

MacTraveller

macrumors regular
Aug 7, 2008
244
0
It's just one more example of his complete lack of empathy for anyone but himself. It's manifested in his psychotic outbursts with the people he works with as well.
It simply doesn't occur to him that there's anything wrong with it.
And it's tolerated because he's an eccentric genius.

And insecure people like you are just jealous of his success. Very likely.
 

MacTraveller

macrumors regular
Aug 7, 2008
244
0
I don't personally know him but from what I can tell he is doing a great job.

Correct.

And the work that Steve is doing is the only thing that matters. His work and leadership at Apple is legendary, since he managed to save Apple from near-death during the late-90s, and worked hard to turn it into an extremely successful robust company, cranking out innovative products that EVERYONE ELSE COPY-CATS today.

His work as chief of a company called Apple Inc. is the thing that matters most. His egotism, whatever snarky comments he says.... or even his chic celebrity status... all of that is inconsequential. Those things do not affect ordinary consumers.
 

jodelli

macrumors 65816
Jan 6, 2008
1,219
4
Windsor, ON, Canada
And insecure people like you are just jealous of his success. Very likely.

That's just so precious. I am in a bipolar state myself and recognize his emotional imbalance leading to his mercurial outbursts and semi psychotic state of mind. This enables his rationale that other people's rules don't apply to him.
His success is irrelevant if he acts like a spoiled brat in front of other more civil minded people.
The relevance is to the future of Apple if his colossal ego hinders the performance of the company, as it did at NeXT.

You think I'm insecure. Give up mind reading, you're no good at it. Very likely.
 

hexonxonx

macrumors 601
Jul 4, 2007
4,610
1
Denver Colorado
I don't know him so I can't hate him. I do have respect for what he's done with Apple over the past few years. There has been some excellent stuff coming out.
 

queshy

macrumors 68040
Apr 2, 2005
3,690
4
I have a lot of respect for Jobs. Although I agree with him on many issues, I also disagree with him on some. He is very "polarized" and people are either bozos or geniuses. I really do think there is an in-between. For tech stuff, maybe that concept works well, but not for people. Mind you, I'm not the one leading a multi-billion dollar company, and maybe when you are in such a situation, it seems as though people are geniuses or bozos...

Anyway, as I said, I have a lot of respect for him, and for many reasons.

So no, I"m not beginning to dislike Jobs (yet). Checkout his stanford commencement speech...brilliant.
 

gusious

macrumors 65816
Dec 2, 2007
1,277
2
Greece
No. Why should i dislike him? He's a great businessman who's trying to make money and make a powerful company. And i think he's doing it very well so far.
 

ryanwarsaw

macrumors 68030
Original poster
Apr 7, 2007
2,746
2,441
The poll has spoken more people like than dislike Jobs.

Yes and popularity ratings go down as bad decisions are made. If I made a poll about Gates here I am sure he wouldn't fare so well. Approximately 1 out of 3 users on a mac forum either dislike or don't trust the supposed boss. I made this poll out of curiosity more than anything. Thankfully I have that right and we don't live in North Korea.

The options of the poll were put so that positive things were at the top. And as opinion declined it moves towards the bottom of the poll. Thank you for participating.

IMO this polll shows that some people are becoming unhappy with the leadership at Apple but not most. That is all I wanted to know. I made another pll about if people would avoid the app store because of it's limits and overwhelmingly they didn't.

On the front page there was an article that many people made all kinds of criticism but after making that poll I realized that people criticize things but don't act upon it. Gathering different opinions is one way that I was tuaght to learn from. Sometimes polls are put out to gather information.

I think different opinions are welcome so thank you for sharing.
 

soLoredd

macrumors 6502a
Mar 12, 2007
967
0
California
Personally, I dislike and don't trust polls. I advise you to take them with a grain of salt.

I will, however, say this: I get just as frustrated with broken promises, delays, and lackluster announcements same as anyone else. But I try to tell myself that Apple wants to innovate. If they didn't try bold, new ideas or branch out, they would be left in the dark. And I think Steve Jobs has pioneered Apple on that mission. Even if it turns out to be unsuccessful, he tried.
 

PowerFullMac

macrumors 601
Oct 16, 2006
4,000
2
Personally, I dislike and don't trust polls. I advise you to take them with a grain of salt.

I will, however, say this: I get just as frustrated with broken promises, delays, and lackluster announcements same as anyone else. But I try to tell myself that Apple wants to innovate. If they didn't try bold, new ideas or branch out, they would be left in the dark. And I think Steve Jobs has pioneered Apple on that mission. Even if it turns out to be unsuccessful, he tried.

Unsuccessful? There is no way people will look back on Apple and mark it as "unsuccessful".

Who has the largest share in the MP3 player market? Who has the most successful new phone, even though it costs more than a house? Who's computer market share goes up every year? Who's enterprise share tripled even though they dont aim for that market?

I could go on forever with that one... Anyway, the point is Apple has gone very far in 8 years since Steve Jobs started as CEO, and they have a lot of innovating left. (Try innovating a iPhone Nano, yeah? :p).
 

Henri Gaudier

macrumors 6502a
May 4, 2005
526
0
France
I don't know anything about him really to hold any true, strong opinion. I thought his "People don't read anymore" line was truly moronic but as for whether he's sly, nasty or a pathological liar ... dunno? In the end is it important? I love Charles Bukowski's work and many years ago I saw a doc about him that showed an interview with him where he kicked his wife. It really angered me that he could do such a thing
but has it changed my opinion of The Roominghouse Madrigals or Burning In Water Drowning in Flames? No .. it's the work that counts and in that regard I'm still here ... planning to buy whatever the best Mac Pro is in January will be my new music studio comp. I don't think people should get involved with the personalities of CEOs of Global companies. That way madness and disappointment lay. Can anyone name the CEO of the company that made their TV, car, fridge?
 

Saladinos

macrumors 68000
Feb 26, 2008
1,845
4
I can't dislike him as a person - I don't know him.

He's a great salesman and is very good at reading the technology market. His story is quite inspirational - the speech he gave at Stanford can be found here (Youtube).

It's a great story - very turbulent, but it all sort of fits in to place. Massive highs (Apple's early success, Apple's current success, Disney/Pixar) and massive lows (Cancer, leaving Apple, dropping out at college because his adopted parents worke hard to put him there and he didn't see the benefit). He mentions dropping in to calligraphy classes at college, and transferring the knowledge to make a fantastic type system for the Mac that helped its early success. You can't connect the dots going forward (paraphrase).
 

thebeesknees

macrumors regular
Jul 21, 2008
109
0
Is Steve Jobs a jerk? Yes.

Does it matter? No.

Look, the guy parks his 155,000 car in the disabled parking space, and back at his early days of Apple, employees would not go in an elevator with him, as they feared they would lose their job after a couple of floors.

I'd really like to like him. He seems like such a nice guy.

But he's sure as heck helping Apple, so meh.
 

BitingThrough

macrumors newbie
Oct 8, 2008
3
0
to the core. If you haven't the stomach, don't read this.

First, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LENGTH, BUT NECESSARY. I am sorry for being so wordy and repeating, but I guess once I got going, I must have experienced some sort of diarrhea from consuming shiny coated rotten apples. And do know, this is not easy as I had been a happy Apple consumer for two decades, as well as a strong advocate. This is a sad time as loyalty with Apple is one-sided and theirs turned out to be a worm.

You can imagine how disappointed I was when (almost 2 yrs ago) my new MacBook Pro showed up straight out of the box with an ill-fitted case, recessed power button, clicker bar and broken latch. All I could think was what happened to Apple quality? Back it went, then again. I also paid for AppleCare on this MacBook Pro and for my iPod.

Immediately the iPod seemed to have issues and back it too went, but my brand new iPod, was replaced with a refurbished iPod that had a damaged screen that looked like an oil slick.

The next replacement had the same problems as the first. What really threw me was one particular call to AppleCare for my iPod issues. The woman asked for all my personal and iPod information then began to try to assist me. I got concerned when she asked me to conduct a search by clicking on “start” and select “my computer”. I interrupted and asked if she worked for Apple? When she wanted to know why I asked, I suggested using “Spotlight” in the upper right corner of my Mac to do a search. “What’s Spotlight?” was her reply. She then admitted that her dad worked for Apple but he wasn’t home. She said that all she could do was issue a return for my iPod. I declined and discontinued the call.

I called Apple’s corporate office to report this AppleCare call; they thanked me and offered to assign a high level tech to assist me with the iPod and the MacBook Pro issues. The MacBook Pro, after the physical hardware problems were addressed, started to display inappropriate cursor behavior that overlapped all open applications - diagonal or horizontal two-sided arrow while in Mail or Safari, then highlighting single words, entire paragraphs or pages left spaces and gaps. Also when the “I” bar was placed in prose for editing it remained even after placing it in another area, and remained in the second spot, and the third and so on until I had “I” bars all over the place. (Save, quit, restart.)

Oddly, after an automatic software update for Airport came in, that is about when the cursor issues started so did other things especially involving Mail, Airport Express, and my column view windows, if even viable, showed gaps in the file names and the lists overlapped and gapped, I had pop-ups that were white blank squares, experienced constant freeze-ups, unexpected quits, including the OSX system ... I can go on but I think you get the idea and I'm sure I'll say more as it comes to mind.

Initially in working with the high level tech I believed he was really trying to find a solution. Among the various fixes were an alias user account, reinstalls, clean installs, purchased upgrades and new software applications, followed by more of the same. Finally they offered to send a new OSX Leopard for the next clean install. Following this install, I was asked for various bits of information from my hard drive’s system profiler so he could “see” what was happening to help find a solution. I also stayed in communication by sending screen shots of oddities and problems as they showed up, but as I inquired as to what he "saw", all of a sudden he disappeared, no answer to my emails or phone messages.

Immediately following that latest clean install, other people’s computers, wireless or not, were now mounting on my computer’s desktop. When I called to find out about this, I was told it was not possible (and this became their mantra for months). However, I assured them that I could not only see these computer’s hard drives mounted on my desktop, but when the tech suggested I wouldn’t be able to access them and I tried it was indeed possible. Months into this, as well as all the other issues, they had me mail the computer in to replace the Airport card than the video card, yet my MacBook Pro returned "hacker-able" if I chose - good thing I am an honest person.

More calls to deal with all the chaos on this computer - my iPod long left in the dust, yet still ticking away on my paid for AppleCare for both. On yet another AppleCare tech call for the issue of other people’s computers mounting on my desktop, the tech had me check all settings and once past “that’s impossible” he put me on hold several times while he checked for a solution. Finally he declared it was an easy fix and in just a couple clicks and mere seconds, I was completely locked out of my computer.

My hard drive icon immediately changed into a blue file folder icon with "cancel" symbol over it, (a red circle crossed with a diagonal line), and from there, things only got worse, much worse. Over the next week and dozens of hours on the phone with more high level AppleCare techs (one who flatly told me they had no record of any of my previous calls to AppleCare - I am so glad I had all these correspondences safely backed up long ago and had the wherewithal to video and take still shots with my camera as well as notes and phone logs, and that another person was sitting with me while the techs were on speaker phone so I could have my hands free to work throughout this long locked out phase).

With hired outside help, a borrowed iMacbook, and with another purchased external hard drive we were eventually able to back up a dmg file of my entire locked out hard drive from which my data was slowly retrieved over time. Another complete clean wipe of this computer’s hard drive before more long hours over many days to reinstall applications, many of which had now created their own issues due to the repeated reinstalls. After Apple squashed me, I contacted Adobe and explained in detail what the last year with AppleCare had created and they handled things with professionalism, customer care and understanding then kindly corrected my CS3 Design Premium Ext. Bundle re-registration issues that were created due to the constant reinstalls while bobbing with Apple.

Now, I am happy to say that other people’s hard drives no longer mount on my computer. However, some of the other oddities have continued. I am no longer an advocate for Apple, in fact am quite disappointed in them over all. I wrote a letter to Mr. Jobs (sent express mail) explaining all of this in detail, and sent samples of the emails, screen shots, videos, etc., to help him understand how crazy this has been, but sadly I was told he is too busy running two corporations to deal with this. I have lost confidence in Apple; I no longer trust their judgment or “help”, and am still paying for their useless AppleCare. (They should refund it all 100% at the very least.)

A call from latest high-level tech informed me he had been assigned to deal with my letter to Mr. Jobs, but when he told me he was on Google Earth looking at my house as we spoke, I got the green-apple-quick-step. (An attempt at intimidation?) Has Apple joined the ranks of other greed-monger bully corporations? What exactly does AppleCare mean, and for whom? Customers pay for the product, then pay for AppleCare, then sit in queue with all other calls to spend an enormous amount of down time with paid employees or their kids, for what?

I love(d) Mac(s) and when things used to work, they worked well, and I want it to work with the quality one using Apple products and tech support for decades expects. I want the AppleCare I pay for and not a run around of busy work by untrained employees or their children. I surely do not want my computer to have the ability to have access to others hard drives and I especially do not want to be locked out of my own computer by ill-advised AppleCare techs. What the heck was going on as the rotting apple; it is beginning to stink.

Again, I am glad I have good notes and back up of all. They did eventually acknowledge that these tech calls and correspondences did exist, as did the non-existing tech I'd work with for months, but only after I gave them proof. Then they added, that some techs don't keep good notes or any notes at all and that many are just lost. Maybe if it is the children of AppleCare techs that will be answering the phone for dad when he's away, they need get better training for the job, and if it's not a child labor issue, get paid by Apple for their work. I am strongly opposed to paying for AppleCare tech support when the person is someone filling in for daddy.

Regarding the software applications, they were upgraded or replaced throughout the fix attempts, and even with Adobe, I worked extensively when things began with the cursor. Using PS everyday, at first I figured it must be a PS/tool issue. I shared my thoughts with Apple and said I would start with Adobe first and would let Apple know the outcome. The tech I'd been working with expressed he doubted that the problem was this application as many things were involved and appeared directly tied to other areas such as Mail, Safari, Airport Extreme, and even a 'sticking' trackpad to which I then purchased an external Apple keyboard and mouse to get away from that problem, though the issues continued.

Not all the problems happen at once and I cannot "make" them happen. Historically it appears to show a pattern that may first be noticeable with the cursor or oddities on the screen or desktop. One fix that seemed to work for short term for a Mail/Airport issue (and also showed the cursor issues in other open applications), was to save all, quit all, turn off Airport, then turn Airport back on, open Safari first, and then open Mail, then all would be fine, though at times a restart was needed or just to shut down for several hours, then this issue seemed well with the Mac, until the next time. This is the loop I've been in for many months, the lock out and mess created by it was just a cherry on top of a rotting apple pie.

I truly thought we were all working to find a solution, that is until my inquiries as to why other's (very accessible) hard drives were mounting on my desktop, then came the unexpected lock out. This is why I am seeking input from this forum and others. I was in the middle of projects and many were lost, some had to be redone, or I needed to send customers elsewhere as my Mac was not dependable.

I’m still waiting for Mr. Jobs and Apple to do the right thing, but I’m not holding my breath. BitingThrough
 

clyde2801

macrumors 601
It sounds as if we would be an insufferable prick to deal with personally. That said, I don't have to deal with him. His personality probably has a lot to do with Apple's corporate culture, good and bad: paranoid secrecy, extreme control issues, and disregard for the rank and file of his own company and most of the consumers of his products.

As long as he continues to do his thing with computers, so what? Many times, his decisions turned out to be right in the long run. I don't think I'd want to share a drink, dinner or even an elevator ride with him, but I will so far continue to buy the products his company makes.
 

The Reverend

macrumors member
Jan 21, 2009
74
0
CA
Name Jobs good deeds would yea.. NOT seeing them!

I need a reason to like him,

I used to think he was cool, now i think he's like all the rest of the rich bitches in the world and has stopped caring about the us regular people.

I would have thought by now I would have heard something charitable he has done with all those billions.. but nothing noticeable.. nothing at all.

You'd Think that now that he is getting old like many of us and that he would see things different..LOL but NO.. he has not done one thing to improve the quality of life of any of the employes that work for him.

With the Billions he has, he could BE Different.. not just Think different. He could set an example to all the other Million and Billionaries out in the world and truly BE Different.. Do something that is noticed world wide, do something with those Billions that really helps people, not just improves the consumer view of his company so he can sell more and make more Billions off of backs of those employees that work so hard for him in his company.

I'm praying for him to become a better man and see that he can create a better world through his actions.

Perhaps other will pray with me and perhaps he may change.. time will tell all!

:)
 
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