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The Mercurian

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I more agree than disagree with you of course. But in this case we're not necessarily talking about longer term. I think the benefits of waiting 3-4 months massively outweigh the negatives with an OS, unless there's an absolutely killer new feature (there are none on Catalina), you're really not that dependent on the machine, or you develop for the platform and your skillset requires diving in at the deep end. I know this is what developer and public beta is supposed to avoid, but that really didn't work this time.

Not to mention - in my last job the in-house IT were always behind each MacOS update and you could not connect to the network on the newer Os until it they supported it 2 or 3 months down the line!
 

subjonas

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I agree that small companies and businesses can stay on OS versions, often for years. But large organizations and corporations usually can't afford to do that, espacilly as software needs to be kept up-to-date for security issues and customer service improvements. So I don't disagree with you as it depends on the criticality of the environmental and tolerance of risk to stay behind.
I work for a big company and we are two macOSes behind for software compatibility and stability reasons. Even with big companies I think the prevailing philosophy is “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”. Apple puts out security updates for older OSes for years so security isn’t an issue. But every company has different needs so I’m sure some need to keep up with the newest OS.
 
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crjackson2134

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Mojave will keep security patched for atleast another year!

Closer to 2 years I think.
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oldmacs

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I ended up having to update my Mac for reminders... and it is just as terrible as the betas. My whole Mac becomes unusably slow after 2 hours of use for no reason I can tell. Now the sound has cut out for no reason. Apple also seems to have removed the ability to airdrop to older Macs for no reason.
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exactly, so the rush to upgrade to something with not a lot of improvements but downgrade on current reliability is unwise move . Stick with stability and security. Let the beta testers enjoy their time.

It would be brilliant if Apple wasn't pushing it so hard with a non removable update badge in settings...
 

jgbr

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I ended up having to update my Mac for reminders... and it is just as terrible as the betas. My whole Mac becomes unusably slow after 2 hours of use for no reason I can tell. Now the sound has cut out for no reason. Apple also seems to have removed the ability to airdrop to older Macs for no reason.
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It would be brilliant if Apple wasn't pushing it so hard with a non removable update badge in settings...

One had to wonder why they are pushing so hard for people to upgrade and I don’t accept it’s because it’s better. Under this leadership there has always been an agenda. Such as money .
 

sugargliderdude

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I ended up having to update my Mac for reminders... and it is just as terrible as the betas. My whole Mac becomes unusably slow after 2 hours of use for no reason I can tell. Now the sound has cut out for no reason. Apple also seems to have removed the ability to airdrop to older Macs for no reason.
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It would be brilliant if Apple wasn't pushing it so hard with a non removable update badge in settings...

don't understand why they did! i've had more than one email that Catalina is ready to download and its in the app stores front page..

its not going to force me to down load it.
 

fisherking

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One had to wonder why they are pushing so hard for people to upgrade and I don’t accept it’s because it’s better. Under this leadership there has always been an agenda. Such as money .

yes, they have 'an agenda'... unlike before. and only now is apple chasing money, that never happened previously. also, it's the first time apple has encouraged people to update their OS...

:rolleyes:
 

oldmacs

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don't understand why they did! i've had more than one email that Catalina is ready to download and its in the app stores front page..

its not going to force me to down load it.

I've had a number of clients (very basic users) download it because they think its just another update... Apple shouldn't push it till its stable enough.
 

Vlad Soare

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it's the first time apple has encouraged people to update their OS...

:rolleyes:
Encouraging people to upgrade is one thing. Breaking existing functionalities (e.g. reminders synchronization) in order to force people to upgrade is another. Also, overpromotion to the point where it annoys the hell out of you, while at the same time deliberately making it look like an innocent minor update, goes a bit beyond mere 'encouragement' in my opinion.
Mind you, I upgraded as soon as I could, and I don't regret it. I'm getting along perfectly fine with Catalina. But I still don't like this bullying attitude.
 
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oldmacs

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also, it's the first time apple has encouraged people to update their OS...

They're pushing way harder this time. It is being treated as a straight out 'update', showing up in system preferences rather than a system upgrade you get through the App Store.
 

jgbr

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yes, they have 'an agenda'... unlike before. and only now is apple chasing money, that never happened previously. also, it's the first time apple has encouraged people to update their OS...

:rolleyes:

As I said, so hard, not that they are for the first or last time.
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They're pushing way harder this time. It is being treated as a straight out 'update', showing up in system preferences rather than a system upgrade you get through the App Store.

This.
 

oldmacs

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it's been part of system preferences for a while...

No it has not.

The major 10.x update has never been in system preferences prior to the Catalina update on Mojave.

In the past, the major MacOS update has appeared as a new app in the App Store, making it far more clear that it is a large update to the system, not just a small update.

seems more logical to me. either way, not sure why it's an issue... ?

Because it makes Catalina look like another small update, which has led to plenty of people install Catalina that wouldn't have otherwise because they think its a small security update.

The red dot pushes people to do the update as it is a notification that there is an update that should be done.
 
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Richard8655

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Because it makes Catalina look like another small update, which has led to plenty of people install Catalina that wouldn't have otherwise because they think its a small security update.

I think Apple considers an update an update, and of equal weight whether we agree with that approach or not. You can also select and look at the details of the pending update to see exactly what it would do, then decide from there.
 
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