Is it safe to buy new 27 inch iMac i7?

[SaSaSushi]

Judging by published photos, postings, and personal experience, the severity of this problem varies between "difficult for an average human to detect" all the way to "difficult for an average human to ignore."

Here we go again. It's this know-it-all rhetoric that gets to me, the notion that it's impossible that there are yellow tinge-free iMacs with uniform color out there because of their own experiences and that of their color-elitist online brethren.

In regards to color uniformity on the display I don't consider myself to be an "average human". I am quite familiar with gradients, even the slightest. I went through the mill with them sending back my mid-2007 24" iMac for just that reason. I know what a yellow tinge looks like, and for the 5000th time I acknowledge and sympathize with those that are experiencing them but the display on my own i7 doesn't have one, period.

When you say it exists on ALL 27" panels and that some people just can't recognize it or don't have a discerning enough eye to see it it's beyond BS. It's insulting. The same goes for accusations that it's Apple fanaticism to deny it or outright lying/ignorance. Noone's accusing those suffering with bad displays of these things. Try to offer the same respect, please.

 

[archipellago]

Here we go again. It's this know-it-all rhetoric that gets to me, the notion that it's impossible that there are yellow tinge-free iMacs with uniform color out there because of their own experiences and that of their color-elitist online brethren.

In regards to color uniformity on the display I don't consider myself to be an "average human". I am quite familiar with gradients, even the slightest. I went through the mill with them sending back my mid-2007 24" iMac for just that reason. I know what a yellow tinge looks like, and for the 5000th time I acknowledge and sympathize with those that are experiencing them but the display on my own i7 doesn't have one, period.

When you say it exists on ALL 27" panels and that some people just can't recognize it or don't have a discerning enough eye to see it it's beyond BS. It's insulting. The same goes for accusations that it's Apple fanaticism to deny it or outright lying/ignorance. Noone's accusing those suffering with bad displays of these things. Try to offer the same respect, please.

eh?

he never said all panels had it... read it again!

you sir, are a clown.

 

[SaSaSushi]

eh?

he never said all panels had it... read it again!

I was more referring to the comment he was agreeing with (albeit in a slightly more diplomatic tone). Also, I was very clear that it was the rhetoric, not the individual poster, I was objecting to. Perhaps you should read it again:

I actually think thats the explanation for all the "perfect" iMac claims. I've searched all over for a perfect iMac and I don't believe they exist. They ALL have a yellow tinge of some sort (more apparent to those with better trained eyes), and I've never seen one without dead pixels in the iSight.

you sir, are a clown.

Oh, is it down to childish name calling now? Thanks, but I'll pass.

If you have the ability, debate with some valid logic.

 

[Sir Cecil]

Oh, is it down to childish name calling now? Thanks, but I'll pass.

Ignore them. They both have a lot more pixels missing than they think.

 

[tombb]

Here we go again. It's this know-it-all rhetoric that gets to me, the notion that it's impossible that there are yellow tinge-free iMacs with uniform color out there because of their own experiences and that of their color-elitist online brethren.

I apologize for not making my point more clearly. Permit me to try again.

1) I think it is impossible to manufacture a technically perfect display at any price.

2) Instead of talking about "perfect," we should be talking about "acceptable."

3) There are some 27" iMac displays that are acceptable to everybody ("very good") and some that are acceptable to nobody ("very bad").

4) In between these extremes, individual users decide whether or not individual displays are cosmetically and/or functionally acceptable. Each individual user bases this judgement on personal needs and perceptions.

5) If two people disagree about a single display, it does not mean that either of them is dishonest or unintelligent.

6) A small but significant number (hundreds? thousands?) of iMac users have decided that their iMacs have an unacceptable display.

7) Apple should fix these unacceptable displays as quickly as possible.

PS The only iMac displays that I have seen in person were both acceptable to me. Big, bright, razor-sharp, gorgeous, drool...

PPS I have never, ever been called a "know-it-all"--and for very good reason.

 

[SaSaSushi]

I apologize for not making my point more clearly. Permit me to try again.

Well in that case, I apologize for flying off the handle at you when it was really the post you were replying to that I took issue with.

1) I think it is impossible to manufacture a technically perfect display at any price.

I agree.

2) Instead of talking about "perfect," we should be talking about "acceptable."

Well, yes, or put another way an excessive level of imperfections.

3) There are some 27" iMac displays that are acceptable to everybody ("very good") and some that are acceptable to nobody ("very bad").

Absolutely on the latter but I'm not sure about the former. I think that just as there are some who deny any displays have imperfections at all for whatever reason there are those in here who deny that any have an acceptably minimal amount.

4) In between these extremes, individual users decide whether or not individual displays are cosmetically and/or functionally acceptable. Each individual user bases this judgement on personal needs and perceptions.

It's not a 100% subjective issue. Gradients, uneven backlighting, backlight bleed and color uniformity are all measurable defects. It's my contention that there is not a perfect display in all of those respects out there at any price. It's also my contention that my i7's display has very minimal amounts of all of the above and no yellow tinge.

5) If two people disagree about a single display, it does not mean that either of them is dishonest or unintelligent.

No two people are arguing about the same display in here so far as I know. For my part I am only speaking about my own iMac.

6) A small but significant number (hundreds? thousands?) of iMac users have decided that their iMacs have an unacceptable display.

If the pictures of yellow-tinged machines don't lie I'm absolutely sure this is the case. I've seen some pictures of horrible displays.

7) Apple should fix these unacceptable displays as quickly as possible.

Agreed.

PS The only iMac displays that I have seen in person were both acceptable to me. Big, bright, razor-sharp, gorgeous, drool...

Are you going to get one?

PPS I have never, ever been called a "know-it-all"--and for very good reason.

Sorry about that. I just reprimanded Archipellago a few posts up for namecalling, too.

 

[knewsom]

SaSaSushi, would you mind terribly posting a couple pictures of your display? I'd love to see one without the yellow tinge.

 

[MovieCutter]

You all are so full of ****. I have a perfectly good 27" iMac....get over it.

 

[burningrave101]

Those of you that haven't checked should open up Photo Booth to take a picture and throw a black cloth or t-shirt over the isight camera and see how many dead/stuck pixels show up in the webcam window. I counted around 20 or more on mine lol.

 

[DarwinOSX]

I have a Week 50 i7 that I received a few days ago. Everything is more than fine. No dead pixels including in the camera, perfect display, no yellowing. It's a stunning machine in every way. While I don't think that means other people have not had issues not all of us have. Not by a long shot.

 

[archipellago]

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[archipellago]

I apologize for not making my point more clearly. Permit me to try again.

1) I think it is impossible to manufacture a technically perfect display at any price.

2) Instead of talking about "perfect," we should be talking about "acceptable."

3) There are some 27" iMac displays that are acceptable to everybody ("very good") and some that are acceptable to nobody ("very bad").

4) In between these extremes, individual users decide whether or not individual displays are cosmetically and/or functionally acceptable. Each individual user bases this judgement on personal needs and perceptions.

5) If two people disagree about a single display, it does not mean that either of them is dishonest or unintelligent.

6) A small but significant number (hundreds? thousands?) of iMac users have decided that their iMacs have an unacceptable display.

7) Apple should fix these unacceptable displays as quickly as possible.

PS The only iMac displays that I have seen in person were both acceptable to me. Big, bright, razor-sharp, gorgeous, drool...

PPS I have never, ever been called a "know-it-all"--and for very good reason.

but, but, but..

Teh Aappplll sez teh is de 'ULTIMATE' displays....????!!!????


ultimate $$$$ for acceptable screen?

really???

 

[tomacintosh]

Here we go again. It's this know-it-all rhetoric that gets to me, the notion that it's impossible that there are yellow tinge-free iMacs with uniform color out there because of their own experiences and that of their color-elitist online brethren.

In regards to color uniformity on the display I don't consider myself to be an "average human". I am quite familiar with gradients, even the slightest. I went through the mill with them sending back my mid-2007 24" iMac for just that reason. I know what a yellow tinge looks like, and for the 5000th time I acknowledge and sympathize with those that are experiencing them but the display on my own i7 doesn't have one, period.

When you say it exists on ALL 27" panels and that some people just can't recognize it or don't have a discerning enough eye to see it it's beyond BS. It's insulting. The same goes for accusations that it's Apple fanaticism to deny it or outright lying/ignorance. Noone's accusing those suffering with bad displays of these things. Try to offer the same respect, please.

Couldn't have put it better myself, I wish mods would move all this yellow tainting crap into the rightful thread, I'm sick of seeing them now. If my iMac arrives and has it, I'll send it back, if it hasn't then bloody great. The way people are going on about it on here it's like the bubonic plague of the iMac display. If your iMac hasn't caught it yet, IT WILL in time get diseased!

 

[Yakuza]

My signature says it all!

 

[tombb]

but, but, but..

Teh Aappplll sez teh is de 'ULTIMATE' displays....????!!!????


ultimate $$$$ for acceptable screen?

really???

Beg pardon?

 

[Maeglin]

but, but, but..

Teh Aappplll sez teh is de 'ULTIMATE' displays....????!!!????


ultimate $$$$ for acceptable screen?

really???

Buy this one : Eizo Nanao EIZO ColorEdge CG221 - LCD display - TFT - 22.2" - 1920 x 1200 - 200 cd/m2 - 400:1 - 30 ms

The CG221 reproduces the Adobe RGB color space and incorporates a newly developed integrated circuit to produce uniform color and brightness from corner to corner. The CG221 delivers accurate and reliable hardware calibration so soft proofing can be done with confidence

U will pay : $5,689.99 just for a 22" , but u will have what u want

 

[tombb]

Are you going to get one?

Absolutely!

I was planning to finally upgrade my main G5 workhorse to Mac Pro with a 30" ACD back in October, but the i7 was announced right before I ordered. Spec-wise the iMac appeared to be perfect, delivering 90% of the power at half the price.

I cruised the forums waiting for benchmarks and performance feedback, to make sure that the i7 could deliver Mac Pro speed. About the same time that MacWorld finally published some meaningful numbers, a notable number of complaints started to surface here and elsewhere.

Apple appears to be handling the problems, apparently by retooling production. Once Apple's online store "expected delivery times" start dropping and a wave of refurb 27" iMacs start showing up, I'll submit my order.

Seems like a reasonable precaution, eh? I don't really have to have the machine now. If I needed the machine now, I would go ahead and order. Apple's always done right by me.

Actually, I was going to get two--a C2D to upgrade my wife's trusty old iMac also.

 

[SaSaSushi]

SaSaSushi, would you mind terribly posting a couple pictures of your display? I'd love to see one without the yellow tinge.

OK, here are three pictures I just took in my room in total darkness. One is a solid gray background, another is solid dark gray and then one is a solid white. The pictures were taken with my EOS 450D in aperture priority mode in total darkness except for the iMac which is at 100% brightness.

Disclaimer: I am not claiming perfect color uniformity. I am claiming that I do not, however, have a yellow tinge nor an unacceptable level of non-uniformity.

For comparison sake I have included the test shot of a badly yellow-tinged 27" iMac from Scott Pronych's iMac Issues database. That's the last picture with the box in the middle of the screen. That is NOT my iMac, thank god...

 

[banya95]

SaSaSushi, I would have to say that yours looks great.

 

[SaSaSushi]

SaSaSushi, I would have to say that yours looks great.

Thank you very much for the feedback.

Oh, and Happy New Year! It's 16 minutes to 2010 here in Japan.

I wish all fellow MacRumorites a very happy 2010!

 

[knewsom]

Thank you!

SaSaSushi, thank you for posting that. That is definitely a NON-YELLOW iMAC! I now have hope, and will hang onto mine for awhile and get it repaired later on. This has reassured me. Definitely acceptable uniformity.

PS - Happy New Year!!!

 

[bbadalucco]

Thank you very much for the feedback.

Oh, and Happy New Year! It's 16 minutes to 2010 here in Japan.

I wish all fellow MacRumorites a very happy 2010!
QUOTE]

And you're on MacRumors Forums???

 

[Yakuza]

Didn't the iMac mid 2007 or so, had the same issue, but it was a blue tinge?

I have a cousin that also moved from windows to mac, and bought a 20' iMac and said to me that in the bottom de screen had a bit of a blue tinge!

I nearly noticed it. Back then was there so many thread's complaining about this issue?

 

[hogo]

got my i7 on tuesday, no issues but my dropped jaw.

 

[Focks]

I have a i7 ordered since december 10th (in a reseller).

I am becoming sick of reading this threads..

OF COURSE that these problems (especially the yellow thing) are widely spread - thus the increased level of complains are not an "anti-apple campaign" like some users like to think.. But OF COURSE that the surveys made by some sites (especially the imac.squeaked.com) are NOT reality-representative.. The majority of people with problems-free iMacs (or near it) do not give a **** to those surveys / forums - only people that found problems and started googling about them......

And what is the problem of buying one now?? If it has issues Apple, without complains or bureaucracies, replaces it. So, my opinion is that people should not think of not buying it only because of these issues..

I myself have a 2 years-old toshiba satellite and, doing the imacs tests for fun, found that the bottom grey bar is much lighter than the upper one - and I had NEVER noticed it and I would NEVER notice if I had not done the test.. of course that if you give 2000€ for a computer you expect it to be perfect, but you cannot make any possible test to it, otherwise you will find, even being small, something - try to do a COMPLETE check up in a hospital and you will definitely find out that you are perfect!

With this I am not saying that you should not be angry with the problems or that you should not replace your iMac in case you found them, especially if it is a really visible or annoying one... I am saying that, in every product of every kind, there are a big number of them in which you find problems if you deeply test it - it is not new and it does not only happen with Apple.. But with one thing I must agree: Apple is doing very little for correcting these problems.. Apart from a freeware update to the flickering (that most users say did nothing) and a delay in deliveries, Apple seems to not know the answer to the problems.. especially in what concerns the display (dead pixels.. yellowing..)