Is "Raise to Wake" 6S Exclusive?

[Paddle1]

I'm sorry, did you put that link there just to contradict yourself? And the screen didn't have to be active for it to work on my old 5s. I used it all the time to fake calls

"With the feature turned on, you'll be able to perform the gesture whenever the iPhone's screen is on. This means you'll even be able to use it while your iPhone is locked (provided you allow that); you only need to hit the Home or Sleep/Wake button to activate the screen."

By locked I meant with the screen off in sleep mode.

And how can you make a call without turning on the phone?

 

[ashindnile]

"With the feature turned on, you'll be able to perform the gesture whenever the iPhone's screen is on. This means you'll even be able to use it while your iPhone is locked (provided you allow that); you only need to hit the Home or Sleep/Wake button to activate the screen."

And how can you make a call without turning on the phone?

That was the 4s. I believe the m7 allowed it. I faked calls- the display is never on when you're in one, something tv show producers seem sinfully unaware of.

 

[Paddle1]

That was the 4s. I believe the m7 allowed it. I faked calls- the display is never on when you're in one, something tv show producers seem sinfully unaware of.

Raise to Speak has nothing to do with phone calls, it's just for activating Siri. Here's an iOS 7 article which also says the screen must be on: http://www.iphonetricks.org/raise-to-speak-a-must-use-siri-gesture-shortcut/
I think you may be thinking of something else. The screen does go dark while you're on a phone call if it's next to your ear.

 

[ashindnile]

Raise to Speak has nothing to do with phone calls, it's just for activating Siri. Here's an iOS 7 article which also says the screen must be on: http://www.iphonetricks.org/raise-to-speak-a-must-use-siri-gesture-shortcut/
I think you may be thinking of something else. The screen does go dark while you're on a phone call if it's next to your ear.

Seriously, how do you not understand what a FAKE call is? I was talking to siri instead. FAKE. Look up the word. It's not new to the dictionary. Fake. Phone. Call.

 

[Paddle1]

Seriously, how do you not understand what a FAKE call is? I was talking to siri instead. FAKE. Look up the word. It's not new to the dictionary. Fake. Phone. Call.

You don't need Siri to do that? Anyway the point is you couldn't activate it without pressing a button/turning on the screen. Which is why it's different from Raise to Wake.

 

[jonobin]

The motion chips in the non M9 phones get turned off while they're locked. That's probably why it's only on the newest devices. The SE must have it because they didn't bother to disable it since it has the hardware already. They might add it to older devices but it seems like it needs the newest chips.

I don't think that the m* coprocessors previous than m9 get turned off if the phone is locked unless they magically turn on my phone when it's in my pocket to monitor my activity, and if they monitor the activity only when the phone is active they are useless since 90% of humanity use his phone unlocked while stationary.

 

[perfect_]

The motion chips in the non M9 phones get turned off while they're locked. That's probably why it's only on the newest devices. The SE must have it because they didn't bother to disable it since it has the hardware already. They might add it to older devices but it seems like it needs the newest chips.

Did you know? iPhone 5S/6/6Plus has a always on(when the phone is on sleep) embedded motion processor (m7 and m8) ? It can track ur steps, distance and floors(m8) even when the phone is on sleep.

M9 chip has a only difference and its always on microphone. In this feature we dont need microphone.

Explain us, this motion coprocessor's how could measure -even phone's get turned off while they're locked -our steps, floors and distance ?

I'll tell you.

Step counter in the health application uses the gyroscope, accelerometer, gps and other sensors to detect if you are walking.

What does this mean?

This means m7 and m8 motion coprocessors works phones get turned off while they're locked.

We need always-on Gyroscope or Accelerometer for this and we already have both of them.

Look, its 99% motion coprocessor driven since it uses movement to activate. Just like it needs the coprocessor for the steps in the health app. You cannot run the gyro etc constantly even when the display is off; bye bye battery life. Logical conclusion without the facts is it is the coprocessor.

Also on the Apple motion coprossor wikipedia "In iOS 10, the motion coprocessor is used for raise to wake functionality."

So it is a hardware limitation, and may be one in the older M7 and M8 too as I believe they are off when the screen is locked (hence no Hello Siri), not some conspiracy theory trying to withhold it from older devices.

Yes, we can run the gyro etc constantly even when the display off.

Remember that Apple developed that motion coprocessor for improve battery life and this coprocessor always works even when the display off. If this coprocessor does not work on display off then it couldn't count our steps. But it can count.

And on the power save mode iPhone's step counter doesnt work. Because we are disabling that sensors for better battery life.

If we are still worried about battery then we can turn it off. Like battery saver mode. But its not about battery.

I believe Apple must get this feature to m7 and m8 devices.

If Apple cant get this feature, I could lose my loyalty.

Me and this m7 and m8 device owners can say that;
Its about planned obsolescence.

 

[macgeek88]

Not sure why that feature is even a big deal. If TouchID is truly an issue, just hit the power button to wake the screen.

It's one of my top favorite features in iOS 10. Not just for Touch ID being too fast but the fact I don't have to press any buttons to look at my lock screen. Saves time and makes it way better to use.

 

[estabya]

Just gonna throw this in here... The raise to talk for Siri worked using the proximity sensor, so it's not really comparable to the raise to wake feature.

 

[Paddle1]

I don't think that the m* coprocessors previous than m9 get turned off if the phone is locked unless they magically turn on my phone when it's in my pocket to monitor my activity, and if they monitor the activity only when the phone is active they are useless since 90% of humanity use his phone unlocked while stationary.

Did you know? iPhone 5S/6/6Plus has a always on(when the phone is on sleep) embedded motion processor (m7 and m8) ? It can track ur steps, distance and floors(m8) even when the phone is on sleep.

M9 chip has a only difference and its always on microphone. In this feature we dont need microphone.

Explain us, this motion coprocessor's how could measure -even phone's get turned off while they're locked -our steps, floors and distance ?

I'll tell you.

Step counter in the health application uses the gyroscope, accelerometer, gps and other sensors to detect if you are walking.

What does this mean?

This means m7 and m8 motion coprocessors works phones get turned off while they're locked.

We need always-on Gyroscope or Accelerometer for this and we already have both of them.



Yes, we can run the gyro etc constantly even when the display off.

Remember that Apple developed that motion coprocessor for improve battery life and this coprocessor always works even when the display off. If this coprocessor does not work on display off then it couldn't count our steps. But it can count.

And on the power save mode iPhone's step counter doesnt work. Because we are disabling that sensors for better battery life.

If we are still worried about battery then we can turn it off. Like battery saver mode. But its not about battery.

I believe Apple must get this feature to m7 and m8 devices.

If Apple cant get this feature, I could lose my loyalty.

Me and this m7 and m8 device owners can say that;
Its about planned obsolescence.

Right. Yeah I don't know what they did (maybe it's more efficient?) but for some reason it seems to be M9 only. Only thing I can think of is that it's mostly just intended for 6s and 6s Plus users who also have fast Touch ID. The SE having it could just be a coincidence caused by having the same hardware. That or they just want it on the latest devices only.

 

[iOSUser7]

Right. Yeah I don't know what they did (maybe it's more efficient?) but for some reason it seems to be M9 only. Only thing I can think of is that it's mostly just intended for 6s and 6s Plus users who also have fast Touch ID. The SE having it could just be a coincidence caused by having the same hardware. That or they just want it on the latest devices only.

The feature could be removed from the iPhone SE just like the keyboard trackpad feature that was present in the iOS 9 betas for all devices and removed later to make it 6s exclusive.

 

[jonobin]

The feature could be removed from the iPhone SE just like the keyboard trackpad feature that was present in the iOS 9 betas for all devices and removed later to make it 6s exclusive.

I miss that feature, just apple knows why they've removed it..

 

[Dj64Mk7]

Didn't read the entire thread so it's probably already stated, but Raise to Wake works on iPhone SE, too.

 

[laza64]

I have beta 1 on my iPhone 6 currently and can't get raise to wake to work. Combed through the settings and found nothing..

Could this feature be iPhone 6s only?

Can someone please explain the security aspects of raise to wake function because what i'm not getting is the feature is demo'd as doing a number of straight into apps features including for instance allowing the user to not only peek immediately at a message right on the lock screen but then reply to it. The only way I can understand there's any security is the 3D touch feature on the iPhone 6s/ 6s Plus models recognises the user's finger or thumb print otherwise anyone can pick up someone else's iPhone and plough right through their messages?!?!

 

[Digital Dude]

I have beta 1 on my iPhone 6 currently and can't get raise to wake to work. Combed through the settings and found nothing..

Could this feature be iPhone 6s only?

I have the 6P with the Beta macOS 10.12 and it doesn't work for me either. Not a clue

 

[Dj64Mk7]

I have the 6P with the Beta macOS 10.12 and it doesn't work for me either. Not a clue

It only works with A9/M9 devices. So the 6s, 6s Plus, SE, and iPhones going forward.

 

[Digital Dude]

It only works with A9/M9 devices. So the 6s, 6s Plus, SE, and iPhones going forward.

Now that you mentioned it I recall that tidbit but completely forgot. Thank you very much! I'm soOoo looking forward to the 7Plus!

 

[Radon87000]

Look, its 99% motion coprocessor driven since it uses movement to activate. Just like it needs the coprocessor for the steps in the health app. You cannot run the gyro etc constantly even when the display is off; bye bye battery life. Logical conclusion without the facts is it is the coprocessor.

Also on the Apple motion coprossor wikipedia "In iOS 10, the motion coprocessor is used for raise to wake functionality."

So it is a hardware limitation, and may be one in the older M7 and M8 too as I believe they are off when the screen is locked (hence no Hello Siri), not some conspiracy theory trying to withhold it from older devices.

So the Galaxy S5 has more advanced hardware than the iPhone 6?

 

[GreyOS]

I honestly don't think we can make too many assumptions about feature cut offs in this beta. We've already seen that non-3D touch rich notification interaction didn't make it into beta 1 but will be there later. We've seen that there are some obvious design bugs in Music that some people are taking as features when I don't think they are (for example Music text size goes UP when you reduce system text size so that's obviously a bug - who's to say some of the default text sizes aren't bugs too?).

It's possible this feature will roll out to other devices in later betas. I'm not one to constantly harp that it's "just a beta" but remember the main intention of this developer beta is to give app developers a head start in optimising their apps for final release. I don't believe this raise to wake is an API apps can take advantage of in any way so it wasn't crucial to get it right for the developer beta. When the public beta comes out I think we can start to apply a lot more scrutiny. Not saying we can't have fun speculating in the mean time

 

[MrUNIMOG]

Funny thing is that i was as accurate as you could expect from any newer devices, i remember that really well.
Same goes for AirDrop enabled on the iPhone 4S. Flawless!
[doublepost=1465921449][/doublepost]What we're all forgetting here is that SIRI had this feature years ago!(or still has it?)
I think i lost it on settings, but it was called "Raise to speak", and if i recall correctly i saw it working on the iPhone 4S.
If anyone can confirm we would a solid case on saying "That's not just marketing, that's being a jerk" about Apple

"Raise to speak" did only work when the screen was already on. It then used the proximity sensor to detect being raised to your cheek, or perhaps a combination of accelerometer/gyroscope/proximity. But as I said, that feature was only active with the screen activated. So totally different from the situation with "Raise to wake", which is more comparable to the always-active "Hey Siri".

 

[Radon87000]

The fact that this is intentional is further solidified by the fact that Cydia jailbreak offers this feature for iPhone 6

 

[Abazigal]

Can someone please explain the security aspects of raise to wake function because what i'm not getting is the feature is demo'd as doing a number of straight into apps features including for instance allowing the user to not only peek immediately at a message right on the lock screen but then reply to it. The only way I can understand there's any security is the 3D touch feature on the iPhone 6s/ 6s Plus models recognises the user's finger or thumb print otherwise anyone can pick up someone else's iPhone and plough right through their messages?!?!

You are already doing that with the current quick-reply functions in today's chat apps.

I am currently doing that - replying to whatsapp messages and deleting / archiving mail from my lock screen. You are right in that it can pose a potential security threat - anyone can do it on my phone, but it's a risk that I consciously take. If you aren't comfortable with it, then there is probably a setting to disable it somewhere.

 

[MikeyMike01]

It's been Apple's tactic to make a handful of features exclusive to the latest version of their devices to entice users to upgrade. Most of the time, the reasons are more marketing related than hardware limitations of the older devices..

So, I wouldn't be surprised at all if this feature is limited to the 6S and onward..

This is made up horse****.

If this were vaguely true, which it isn't, the old devices wouldn't get updates at all.

Thanks for playing.

 

[Radon87000]

This is made up horse****.

If this were vaguely true, which it isn't, the old devices wouldn't get updates at all.

Thanks for playing.

The older devices aren't getting new features the new devices get

 

[lagwagon]

The older devices aren't getting new features the new devices get

Non 3D Touch devices are getting the new Rich Notifications via long press in place of 3D Touch in a later build. While in the current build they are only for 3D Touch devices. So you're wrong (which isn't surprising)