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And the Answer is = you are all right. It depends on the contact.


Firstly you are correct in this instance,

I asked Google Now to Navigate to Aidan

It then showed me Aidans card and I had to press down to reveal his address
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I then had to press on his address to begin navigation.
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Looks like the phone is waiting for input from you because you have multiple home and other addresses for that contact.


I'm not sure why it work for some and doesn't for others. Here's one I just tried and you can see he is in my contacts but it just does a Google search.
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I just created a fake contact with the name Alfred Santana and tried hands free navigation to his address using Google Now (with HiGoogle app, it activates Google Now instead of S-Voice when Hi Galaxy is said) and Google Maps. It worked fine for me.

 

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The iPhone overall use is smoother and more stable. :(
Claiming an iPhone is smoother and more stable is a well worn myth from years ago. From Android version 4.4.4 and newer, it's simply a lie.

I've owned each and every version of each platform concurrently and continuously since their inception. Unlike vast numbers of Apple Devotees, I don't need to bash Any Platform to "prove superiority of the other". Instead simply sharing personal hands on experience reveals the relevance of real world use.

My one substantial complaint with Apple is how they rest on their laurels, coast along profit taking, instead of working diligently to do their best work, delivering the true excellence they're capable of. Buggy and glitch filled daily experiences with iOS are unacceptable from a company as wealthy and capable as Apple.
 

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Looks like the phone is waiting for input from you because you have multiple home and other addresses

But this is what is strange. In the contacts his details only have 1 single address. IT'S somehow breaking down half his address as a separate address. So as I say there is a quirk going on there.

And his wasn't the only address it happens upon. So for me there is some glitches ...

This like I also said could be for a myriad reasons such as voice support for languages that aren't English United States or English UK. For example for some reason occasionally despite telling my devices during setup English Ireland, I've noticed that at times the device then chooses English Australian as the Google voice input in settings. Which I then have to correct. It does this not only on other OEM handsets but also my Nexus devices too.

So yes the results seem to depend on the contact and also possibly on additional external factors.


Update may have found part of the problem / cause ....

And bit of digging around it seems if the contact has a Google email or android account Google will also pick up their contact details from their account, along with the one on your device. If they have their address missing part of the address or slightly different in their google account themselves compared to what is in your own address book, then this is also what triggers it to ask.

So as I say there are clearly external factors at play here.
 
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Claiming an iPhone is smoother and more stable is a well worn myth from years ago. From Android version 4.4.4 and newer, it's simply a lie.

I've owned each and every version of each platform concurrently and continuously since their inception. Unlike vast numbers of Apple Devotees, I don't need to bash Any Platform to "prove superiority of the other". Instead simply sharing personal hands on experience reveals the relevance of real world use.

My one substantial complaint with Apple is how they rest on their laurels, coast along profit taking, instead of working diligently to do their best work, delivering the true excellence they're capable of. Buggy and glitch filled daily experiences with iOS are unacceptable from a company as wealthy and capable as Apple.

This post. Standing ovation.
 

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Looks like the phone is waiting for input from you because you have multiple home and other addresses for that contact.






I just created a fake contact with the name Alfred Santana and tried hands free navigation to his address using Google Now (with HiGoogle app, it activates Google Now instead of S-Voice when Hi Galaxy is said) and Google Maps. It worked fine for me.

Ok, well it's not working on mine for some reason, here I can show you.
I didn't show the actual card because it is a real person with real numbers and address, but he has 3 telephone numbers, 1 email, and 1 physical address.

Also kinda funny how your video was the first to show up in the Google search.

Edit: what's weird is I just created a fake contact and it worked. So, like MRU, I have no idea why it works on some and not others.
 
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LIVEFRMNYC

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Ok, well it's not working on mine for some reason, here I can show you.
I didn't show the actual card because it is a real person with real numbers and address, but he has 3 telephone numbers, 1 email, and 1 physical address.

Also kinda funny how your video was the first to show up in the Google search.

Edit: what's weird is I just created a fake contact and it worked. So, like MRU, I have no idea why it works on some and not others.


I replicated exactly what you did. Created an Alfred Santana contact and an address. I spoke exactly the words you used which was "Okay Google, Navigate to Alfred Santana" and it took me to search just as it did in your video.

But then I tired again with one key word added .... "Okay Google, Navigate to Alfred Santana home". Success, it went straight to navigation. The word "home" made a difference.

Now more likely the reason you didn't have to finish your command with "home" or "work" in the second video, is probably that John Smith is recognized as a common name. When dealing with other names , especially those with famous names like Santana, Google probably can't distinguish if your looking for a contact or searching. Don't know whether that's by design or not. The same thing that happened with Alfred Santana, would probably happen with a name like Micheal Jackson.

Seems like the safe bet it to always say "Navigate" and end it with "Home" or "Work"(whichever the address is stored as).

BTW .... I tested Alfred Santana again without saying "home". And it navigated instead of searching. It probably learned what I wanted to do from the previous command which I stated "home".
 
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I replicated exactly what you did. Created an Alfred Santana contact and an address. I spoke exactly the words you used which was "Okay Google, Navigate to Alfred Santana" and it took me to search just as it did in your video.

But then I tired again with one key word added .... "Okay Google, Navigate to Alfred Santana home". Success, it went straight to navigation. The word "home" made a difference.

Now more likely the reason you didn't have to finish your command with "home" or "work" in the second video, is probably that John Smith is recognized as a common name. When dealing with other names , especially those with famous names like Santana, Google probably can't distinguish if your looking for a contact or searching. Don't know whether that's by design or not. The same thing that happened with Alfred Santana, would probably happen with a name like Micheal Jackson.

Seems like the safe bet it to always say "Navigate" and end it with "Home" or "Work"(whichever the address is stored as).

BTW .... I tested Alfred Santana again without saying "home". And it navigated instead of searching. It probably learned what I wanted to do from the previous command which I stated "home".
Thanks, tried it again like that and still didn't work.

And here is his contact card, so you can see everything is properly filled.
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But it's not just with his, it's hit or miss on a lot of my contacts. My father doesn't have a famous last name and it's hit or miss there too, sometimes it brings up his contact card and other times it does a search. Though thanks to MRU I figured out why it would show multiple addresses for him when on my phone it only shows one. The funny thing is that Google Now recognizes his address, as sometimes I will get a Google Now card telling me the traffic conditions to his house.

It like Apple Pay, when you don't have confidence something is going to work most of the time you stop using it, and for things like this I've just stopped using it.
 
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Thanks, tried it again like that and still didn't work.

And here is his contact card, so you can see everything is properly filled.
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But it's not just with his, it's hit or miss on a lot of my contacts. My father doesn't have a famous last name and it's hit or miss there too, sometimes it brings up his contact card and other times it does a search. Though thanks to MRU I figured out why it would show multiple addresses for him when on my phone it only shows one. The funny thing is that Google Now recognizes his address, as sometimes I will get a Google Now card telling me the traffic conditions to his house.

It like Apple Pay, when you don't have confidence something is going to work most of the time you stop using it, and for things like this I've just stopped using it.

That's weird. For me, as long as I always start with saying "Navigate" and end with "Home" or "Work", it pulls from the contact instead of searching.

Does your contact address have the zip code too?

If so, I guess this is something Google needs to work on.

S-voice is actually better and smart at going to the contacts, but it completely sucks at getting names right.

And Siri usually asks me 10,000 questions before navigation starts.

Cortana matched with HERE maps is actually the best I've tired so far.
 

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That's weird. For me, as long as I always start with saying "Navigate" and end with "Home" or "Work", it pulls from the contact instead of searching.

Does your contact address have the zip code too?

If so, I guess this is something Google needs to work on.

S-voice is actually better and smart at going to the contacts, but it completely sucks at getting names right.

And Siri usually asks me 10,000 questions before navigation starts.

Cortana matched with HERE maps is actually the best I've tired so far.
It does, but it was in the wrong spot, just fixed it and it still does the same thing. But if I tap the address in the contact card, it shows up in Google maps, even before I fixed the zip code.
 

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Absolutely. And I get that there is correlation. But it's still used way too often when discussing user experiences or what features Apple can bring. I also argue that a lot of their profits have more to do with the brand and reputation they've built. Some of it is deserving, but we're at a point in time where that branding, I argue, is hurting the user experience, and making fellow Apple fans see the overall picture in a imprecise way. You can't be blinded by profit when discussing features that we are seeing implemented by other OEMs. Again, how is profits a feature? It's not. The argument that the majority of people must not require the feature because Apple hasn't done it yet and aren't hurting profit-wise is, in my opinion, folly. And goes against the one notion that these Apple fans love to espouse: personal use.

The whole Apple discussion is a hard thing to approach and debate, but it's a necessary one for the long run. And us posters here are not alone. There are recent articles that are diving into what Apple should/needs to do. These are not "Apple is doom" type articles. They're actually very analytical. And the rumors of Apple also pursuing curved and larger screens in a future iteration of the iPhone? Or developing their own form of wireless charging? There are OEMs that have done that, and that are providing, I argue, a better user experience with those and other features. Yet, they certainly aren't seeing the same level of profits as Apple. And there are a number of reasons for that.

At the end of the day, my point is, profits does not necessarily equate to a better user experience, and bringing it up so often when discussing things like user experience and features is a waste of everyone's time. Yes, the iPhone is still the number one selling and most popular and iconic smartphone. And because of that, Apple can get away with the pace of innovation/features that they're currently on. In fact, they get away with it all the way to the bank with record sales.

Like I said, it's not an easy discussion to be had, especially as an Apple fan.

Instead, it's easier and more tempting to look at those record breaking profits and conclude Apple is doing everything right. But anybody who is honest about improving user experience, anybody who is open minded enough to try the competition, and anybody who is genuine when they say the most important thing is "personal use" should know that that's a tempting conclusion that must be resisted.

Or not. : Shrug : Just my thoughts.

I'm not saying they're doing everything right. I'm saying we all have opinions on what we value. Where you or anyone else may value a galaxy or whatever phone over an iPhone, there's plenty of people who prefer the iPhone. For the flagship market where people are willing to pay a premium on a phone, it is telling that the iPhone is the top one. Not as a feature, but that those paying customers willing to pay for a flagship want an iPhone. I think the support/service plays a big role, and I consider that a huge advantage over others for now. I think a lot of people value that over specs, ram, etc. companies don't care about us on these forums.

If you feel Apple is severely lacking on innovation in their products that's certainly your right. I can say I think Samsung is severely lacking in support for a flagship device, it's my opinion. Everyone has one, so I look at the numbers. And I see that the iPhone is certainly competing in the market based on the numbers.
 
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I'm sure everyone realizes the underlying reasoning beside Samsung's actions. But the fact is, they did listen, and it makes people feel good when they see their power as a consumer work for them.

I'm personally not offended that I previously got the S6 edge which lacked many features the S7 has. That's the choice that I made, and the S6 edge was still a great phone.





Apple is competing based off of branding. Is the iPhone, iOS, and Apple services a bad experience? NO, it's not. But it's offering combined with it's value is sup par compared to the competition. No other tech based company is able to do that. But even you realize, that's not going to last forever.

They listened to the earnings. If customers complained about missing these features yet the s6 exceeded all quarterly forecasts I truly believe they wouldn't be there on the s7. It's also why there were free vr giveaways and BOGO basically from the beginning. It's always about the money.

That's good that you loved your s6. I'm only speaking my case. If I valued the things they took away from the s5 to the s6, then bring some of those back for the s7, I'd be a lil upset.

Apple is competing based on a lot of things. Products, service/support, unified experience, etc. the brand is strong because of this. Marketing is also important, it's why Samsung spends basically more than anyone else in that regard.
 

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That's good that you loved your s6. I'm only speaking my case. If I valued the things they took away from the s5 to the s6, then bring some of those back for the s7, I'd be a lil upset.

It's still a choice. The same can be said even for Apple products. Many people skipped the S6 cause of missing features, and now went with the S7. Don't blame informed or uninformed decisions on the manufacturer. Any bad taste is buyers remorse, and nothing more.
 

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It's still a choice. The same can be said even for Apple products. Many people skipped the S6 cause of missing features, and now went with the S7. Don't blame informed or uninformed decisions on the manufacturer. Any bad taste is buyers remorse, and nothing more.

I'm not blaming the manufacturer for anything. Although I'm not familiar off the top with Apple taking away features in an iPhone then the next year bring them back.

You're right people have choice. To buy whatever they want. People want and are happy with various phones, android and iOS included.
 

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I'm not saying they're doing everything right. I'm saying we all have opinions on what we value. Where you or anyone else may value a galaxy or whatever phone over an iPhone, there's plenty of people who prefer the iPhone. For the flagship market where people are willing to pay a premium on a phone, it is telling that the iPhone is the top one. Not as a feature, but that those paying customers willing to pay for a flagship want an iPhone. I think the support/service plays a big role, and I consider that a huge advantage over others for now. I think a lot of people value that over specs, ram, etc. companies don't care about us on these forums.

If you feel Apple is severely lacking on innovation in their products that's certainly your right. I can say I think Samsung is severely lacking in support for a flagship device, it's my opinion. Everyone has one, so I look at the numbers. And I see that the iPhone is certainly competing in the market based on the numbers.

Sales is not a good indication of a product being one of the best on the market. Majority of consumers world wide are ignorant when it comes to buying products. Brand image and marketing plays a much bigger factor imo.

Which companies in the phone industry has the best marketing? Apple and Samsung. Who has the most sales? Apple and Samsung. Have you ever seen much marketing done for HTC? Nope. As you can see their sales reflect that. This can't be a coincidence. Nexus 6p is considered to be one of the best Android device on the market. However I can bet S7 sales has probably surpassed it already. Why? because of marketing. (the 6p also only being available online plays a part. However it not being in carrier stores should be considered part of marketing shouldn't it?).

Look at it from a general consumer perspective:
1. They either ask friends and family what phone should I get? OR Walk into carrier store and see display models.
2. Friends and family sees iPhone ads many times and knows Apple has a good brand image so they recommend that. OR in carrier stores Samsungs and Apple devices are usually well advertised within the store (signs, graphics, etc).
3. Consumer listens to friends and family and makes purchase.

I know car analogies are considered bad here but think about this:
Hyundai has been making luxury cars (Genesis). They could cram the best of the best in it. Faster engine, Better materials,more advance technology, double the warranty and half the cost of a 7 series or S Class. On paper and actually driving it, it could be one of the best cars ever made. Do you think it would sell like hot cakes? Nope. Because of brand image. Many potential buyers are going to say "I dont want a hyundai" for no particular reason.

When I told my sister my phone was made by Huawei and I paid 530, she immediately had a "wtf" look on her face. Then she said "really? No, I wouldn't trust them. I would much prefer buy a samsung or lg". I asked her why don't you like Huawei? She was stomped. She has NEVER had an experience with a huawei product but immediately is turned off for no reason. Why? Brand image.

My same sister recently bought a phone. I told her to consider the Huawei 5x. Her response? no she doesn't want a huawei phone. She ended up getting a G Flex 2.

imo the general public doesn't think "hmm if I buy this phone and it starts giving me problems how will I get it fixed?" They buy based on looks, brand image, marketing.

I think the problem on many forums like this is we expect the general public to think like how we tech nerds do lol. We go through every detail, consider specs, watch reviews, aftermarket support etc. The truth is the general public still buys on impulse, brand image and "flashy marketing".

Walk up to any Samsung or iPhone user who is not into tech and ask "why did you buy that phone?"
What do you think their response will be?
Do you think many will say because it has great aftermarket support? Not me.

Their response imo would be:
1. They had the previous model so they upgraded
2. It was recommended by friends and family.
3. Because it looked the best
4. they got a great deal
5. The camera is one of the best
6. subconsciously because they saw all the ads it encouraged them (they won't actually say this as a reason)
 
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I know car analogies are considered bad here but think about this:
Hyundai has been making luxury cars (Genesis). They could cram the best of the best in it. Faster engine, Better materials,more advance technology, double the warranty and half the cost of a 7 series or S Class. On paper and actually driving it, it could be one of the best cars ever made. Do you think it would sell like hot cakes? Nope. Because of brand image. Many potential buyers are going to say "I dont want a hyundai" for no particular reason.

Yup, that's why you have people paying for an overpriced Mercedes CLA. And why BMW 3 series models are so popular even though reliability isn't it's strong suit. Branding is powerful, and manufacturers take advantage of that.



Their response imo would be:
1. They had the previous model so they upgraded
2. It was recommended by friends and family.
3. Because it looked the best
4. they got a great deal
5. The camera is one of the best
6. subconsciously because they saw all the ads it encouraged them (they won't actually say this as a reason)

TRUTH!!!!
 
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Sales is not a good indication of a product being one of the best on the market.

Economics would disagree with you, and in Econ it would be sales/revenues in relation to profit. It is the yard stick the world uses to gauge the success of a product or product line.

But according to you, sales is meaningless, so what is the indication?
Ads?



Oh and the reason the Genesis doesn't sell well isn't because of brand image, it's because of brand value, it's totally different.
 

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Economics would disagree with you, and in Econ it would be sales/revenues in relation to profit. It is the yard stick the world uses to gauge the success of a product or product line.

But according to you, sales is meaningless, so what is the indication?
Ads?
I probably should have phrased that differently. Sales can definitely be used as an indicator. However it should not be the only one. Nor is it valid in every case.

You can have the best product on the market, but with little to no marketing it will fail horribly. Case in point, Nexus 6p. Considered top 3 best Android smartphone available. So using sales as an indicator, does this mean the Nexus 6p is bad?

Edit: you mention economics and that sales = success when it comes to economics. I 100% agree. But that does not mean sales = best product.
There are instances in other industries where this occurs too.
 
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It is like the The Force Awakens v Avatar box office receipts. Americans focus on domestic numbers and while TFA became NA box office king, Avatar made $2B foreign money which is why it is still #1 while TFA is only #3 globally. I hate Avatar, btw. I love Star Wars. But you can't just focus on solely American money. Star Wars 7 won the battle in the States but lost the World War box office to Avatar. Star Wars is like the Super Bowl / NFL football. An American thing.

Samsung should start focusing more at raking in foreign money since surpassing Apple in the States (where someone like Donald Trump "could" be President) is highly unlikely. Motorola was #1 for years in the States even during the 2000's while Nokia was #1 globally and they rarely were a Top 5 OEM volume seller in the United States.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Very interesting post. I appreciate your view. However Asia is NOT a one way traffic. Example, iPhone SE is generating a lot of interest in asia, because screen size apart, everything seems good in SE. iPhones are the "brand" to own in China and so on

But I like your point on bloatware

I suppose bloatware IS a problem universally in Android. Many consider touch wiz to be bloat. I have numerous friends who give up on android phones after the first update !!
 

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I'm not saying they're doing everything right. I'm saying we all have opinions on what we value. Where you or anyone else may value a galaxy or whatever phone over an iPhone, there's plenty of people who prefer the iPhone. For the flagship market where people are willing to pay a premium on a phone, it is telling that the iPhone is the top one. Not as a feature, but that those paying customers willing to pay for a flagship want an iPhone. I think the support/service plays a big role, and I consider that a huge advantage over others for now. I think a lot of people value that over specs, ram, etc. companies don't care about us on these forums.

If you feel Apple is severely lacking on innovation in their products that's certainly your right. I can say I think Samsung is severely lacking in support for a flagship device, it's my opinion. Everyone has one, so I look at the numbers. And I see that the iPhone is certainly competing in the market based on the numbers.

I don't disagree with any aspect of your post that relates to opinion and personal use. I'm ALL about personal use, which is why I wish and hope the iPhone can do more.

My only contention is the idea that Apple is competing based on the numbers. I think that's an unfortunate point of view to take both for Apple and its fans. It's much too narrow to just look at numbers. Is Apple successful? Absolutely. No one is denying their success. But are they competing? The answer to that question cannot -- should not! -- be based only on numbers. Because, again, how are their superior profits a feature to daily use of the iPhone? It's not. I think seeing it that way, and worse, using that as an argument in discussions about improving user experience, is a mistake.

Or not. I could be wrong.
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Sales is not a good indication of a product being one of the best on the market. Majority of consumers world wide are ignorant when it comes to buying products. Brand image and marketing plays a much bigger factor imo.

Which companies in the phone industry has the best marketing? Apple and Samsung. Who has the most sales? Apple and Samsung. Have you ever seen much marketing done for HTC? Nope. As you can see their sales reflect that. This can't be a coincidence. Nexus 6p is considered to be one of the best Android device on the market. However I can bet S7 sales has probably surpassed it already. Why? because of marketing. (the 6p also only being available online plays a part. However it not being in carrier stores should be considered part of marketing shouldn't it?).

Look at it from a general consumer perspective:
1. They either ask friends and family what phone should I get? OR Walk into carrier store and see display models.
2. Friends and family sees iPhone ads many times and knows Apple has a good brand image so they recommend that. OR in carrier stores Samsungs and Apple devices are usually well advertised within the store (signs, graphics, etc).
3. Consumer listens to friends and family and makes purchase.

I know car analogies are considered bad here but think about this:
Hyundai has been making luxury cars (Genesis). They could cram the best of the best in it. Faster engine, Better materials,more advance technology, double the warranty and half the cost of a 7 series or S Class. On paper and actually driving it, it could be one of the best cars ever made. Do you think it would sell like hot cakes? Nope. Because of brand image. Many potential buyers are going to say "I dont want a hyundai" for no particular reason.

When I told my sister my phone was made by Huawei and I paid 530, she immediately had a "wtf" look on her face. Then she said "really? No, I wouldn't trust them. I would much prefer buy a samsung or lg". I asked her why don't you like Huawei? She was stomped. She has NEVER had an experience with a huawei product but immediately is turned off for no reason. Why? Brand image.

My same sister recently bought a phone. I told her to consider the Huawei 5x. Her response? no she doesn't want a huawei phone. She ended up getting a G Flex 2.

imo the general public doesn't think "hmm if I buy this phone and it starts giving me problems how will I get it fixed?" They buy based on looks, brand image, marketing.

I think the problem on many forums like this is we expect the general public to think like how we tech nerds do lol. We go through every detail, consider specs, watch reviews, aftermarket support etc. The truth is the general public still buys on impulse, brand image and "flashy marketing".

Walk up to any Samsung or iPhone user who is not into tech and ask "why did you buy that phone?"
What do you think their response will be?
Do you think many will say because it has great aftermarket support? Not me.

Their response imo would be:
1. They had the previous model so they upgraded
2. It was recommended by friends and family.
3. Because it looked the best
4. they got a great deal
5. The camera is one of the best
6. subconsciously because they saw all the ads it encouraged them (they won't actually say this as a reason)


I haven't had time to read the rest of your post (will do when I get the chance), but I can already comment on your points about sales figures.

Exactly. Sales is hardly an indication of what is best. It can be the best, but it isn't naturally a given. And we see this in many different areas -- not just relating to Apple/Samsung. We see this within Android itself. As you mentioned, the Nexus 6P is regarded as one of the best. Yet if we're going only be sales, then only Samsung Android devices must be the best. And we simply know that's not always true. Ditto cars. Toyota (or Honda?) is usually the top seller. But will BMW, Lexus, Mercedes, or whoever have something to say about being the best car? Sure.

Will certainly read the rest of your post. But you're onto something already. And it's something I've constantly tried to avoid when discussing how to improve the iPhone or Nexus or Samsung devices. Sales figures is not a user experience feature.


EDIT: More or less agree with the rest.
 
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Economics would disagree with you, and in Econ it would be sales/revenues in relation to profit. It is the yard stick the world uses to gauge the success of a product or product line.

But according to you, sales is meaningless, so what is the indication?
Ads?



Oh and the reason the Genesis doesn't sell well isn't because of brand image, it's because of brand value, it's totally different.

I don't think anyone would argue sales is "meaningless." Of course not. No one is arguing whether or not Apple is a successful company. They're wildly successful.
 
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... But I like your point on bloatware

I suppose bloatware IS a problem universally in Android. Many consider touch wiz to be bloat. I have numerous friends who give up on android phones after the first update !!

Depending on your definition of bloatware, iphones have it too. If your definition of it includes preinstalled apps (using storage space) then iPhones have that too.

Under Android you can freeze apps (for years now) so they are not updated and not able to autorun/run in the background. So there really isn't bloatware on Android because those frozen apps are not using CPU or RAM because they are not running or updating. You can also easily disable OS animations in the developer settings.

If you find Touchwiz laggy, you can use the Google Now Launcher (stock android launcher) by downloading it from the Play Store. No rooting needed. Anyone complaining about Touchwiz is like complaining to a Doctor that it hurts when you stab yourself with a fork. Stop hurting yourself and download the stock launcher.
 

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If you find Touchwiz laggy, you can use the Google Now Launcher (stock android launcher) by downloading it from the Play Store. No rooting needed. Anyone complaining about Touchwiz is like complaining to a Doctor that it hurts when you stab yourself with a fork. Stop hurting yourself and download the stock launcher.

To be fair, changing a launcher does not get rid of Touchwiz or the hundreds of mostly unnecessary processes running in the background possibly causing lag.
 

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To be fair, changing a launcher does not get rid of Touchwiz or the hundreds of mostly unnecessary processes running in the background possibly causing lag.
tbh...you can disable anything you do not use. Once disabled....they will not run in the background and use resources. They will not prompt you to update them and they won't show up in the app drawer. So for all purposes...they are gone. They don't run and they don't use system resources.
And you don't need root or any special app to do what i described above.
 
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