What makes the 6S more secure than for example a Nexus 6P on Android Marshmallow?And yes I believe the FBI can easily hack both.All they have to do is hire Cellebrite and even if Cellebrite can't , I wouldn't be surprised if Apple themselves gave them the key after all this privacy marketing trickThe point being if the government wants access to most anything they can get it, except if you own a 6s. And I stated the obvious for a reason.
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Nope, not if you have a 6s. See above.
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is the Galaxy S 7 a real threat to iPhone ? how many here would switch ?
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See cellebrites website. Yep I'm sure Apple gave them the keys.
And no the FBi by themselves can't do it.
The more I use the s7 edge and explore all it has to offer, including VR, the more apparent it becomes that Apple is falling behind with the iPhone.
Why is this such a contentious point? Why does such a statement generate so much tension? All it is is an observation made by having tried the competition and knowing what is being offered. Most of us here who make such observations are Apple fans who own a plethora of Apple products, including the iPhone itself. Why is there so much conflict?
I think that's something worth asking yourself and reflecting on.
Why is this such a contentious point? Why does such a statement generate so much tension? All it is is an observation made by having tried the competition and knowing what is being offered. Most of us here who make such observations are Apple fans who own a plethora of Apple products, including the iPhone itself. Why is there so much conflict?
I think that's something worth asking yourself and reflecting on.
Then you have the phone that's best for you. Glad you like what you are using.
I have the phone that's best for me.
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It's a contentious point because of posters who ascribe their values to others and make it a truth rather than a preference.
For example, VR. I could not care less about it. Yet you point it out as something of value that Apple must have if it's not to be considered "behind." Another point is specs. I could not care less about the chip nor the screen not being whatever it is that certain posters harp about nor do I care about benchmarks. But if I say that, and if I stand my position, I am considered an Apple apologist and I'm challenged to seek out YouTube videos to prove some point or another. To emphatically say I.DON'T.CARE does not seem enough.
In my bag at this moment is an SGS7. Also a BlackBerry Passport and at home I've got a Lumia 1520. Yet I'm typing on an iPhone because I prefer it. The problems begin when posters charge in and begin calling me apologist or fan girl or isheep. I answer back and Bob's your uncle. All kinds of hell breaks loose.
I've made an informed decision. Leave me to it and I leave you to yours.
I just hate Samsung as a brand. I really do. Everything from their appliances, to televisions to phones. Their products start out fine but eventually break down because they are mostly junk components. High priced as well. And their support is some of the worst I have ever experienced. So when you need help once their junk eventually breaks down, you are just screwed and end up purchasing something else.
Would take something major for me to ever purchase their brand again.
Would take something major for me to ever purchase their brand again.
Samsung as a brand has been good to me. Never had any issue with there TVs, appliances, or smartphones. And I like the fact the the I can mirror my TV to my Galaxy phone on the same network.
I can't speak on support, cause fortunately I never needed it.
Yeah, I'll give a brand a couple bad experiences before I nix them. There are just too many other choices out there. Apple (to me) is a great brand. Their support is great. But their phone and OS are just meh. I have iPhones and iPads, I just find them boring and hardly ever use them.
Google is top dog for me right now. Their customer support is amazing. Never any hold times. They own up to any outages or issues immediately and compensate for it. So I am using them for cell phone, cell service and soon home internet. The way their services pair is really awesome.
Agree with you on Google and their customer support. They are great!
I also have the same experiences as LIVEFRMNYC. I have a Samsung TV and appliances and have never had a problem with them. But we all have different experiences.....
I think the contention comes from 2 areas--those who see a criticism or 'attack' on their personal choice of device as an attack on themselves (too much of that around here) and those who simply disagree based upon their preferences (I consider myself part of the latter
).Objectively comparing hardware, I wouldn't disagree with that statement--as it pertains solely to hardware. That's much easier to measure, considering the ability to qualitatively measure the performance of aspects like the display and camera. I think you are including your clear preference for Android and feeling that it's the superior OS in that statement and that's the flaw in your argument, IMO.
Millions of people clearly prefer iOS. I'm quite aware of the capabilities of Android and what it offers, including the aspects that are not available in iOS, yet I still prefer to use iOS as I find it a more enjoyable experience for my use case--enough so that those areas of hardware superiority on the Galaxy S7 aren't enough to persuade me to leave it. That's the X factor in this equation for millions of people. Yes, the Galaxy may have better hardware elements but that doesn't mean the iPhone's hardware is garbage...just isn't at quite the exceptional level of the latest Samsung phones. What you're seeing is a great many people saying they'd rather use slightly inferior hardware because they'd also rather use iOS.
And to be clear, I'm not apologizing for Apple and saying what they're doing is plenty good enough. Of course I'd love to have improvements in any/all areas of the iPhone, but as it currently stands, it's still more than good enough for me and obviously, many millions others have the same feeling. That may change in the future if at some point, iOS isn't enough for their customers.
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I checked it.Nothing which says they can't unlock the 6SSee cellebrites website. Yep I'm sure Apple gave them the keys.
I am not fooled by Cook's privacy marketing stunt.The fact is the FBI won in the end and I won't be surprised if Apple did some shady behind the scenes exchange to avoid the case
Says who?You?Nothing suggests that the FBI cannot hack the 6S
Well, nothing except the FBI director himself.
And to be clear, I'm not taking what any party in this incident says at face value. I also don't consider any current smartphone to be completely secure.
Same here. My Samsung washer and dryer have been superb for many years.
And no lag whatsoever.
Same here. My Samsung washer and dryer have been superb for many years.
And no lag whatsoever.
You clearly haven't put it under a heavy load
The vibration motor works a treat though
I think the contention comes from 2 areas--those who see a criticism or 'attack' on their personal choice of device as an attack on themselves (too much of that around here) and those who simply disagree based upon their preferences (I consider myself part of the latter
Objectively comparing hardware, I wouldn't disagree with that statement--as it pertains solely to hardware. That's much easier to measure, considering the ability to qualitatively measure the performance of aspects like the display and camera. I think you are including your clear preference for Android and feeling that it's the superior OS in that statement and that's the flaw in your argument, IMO.
Millions of people clearly prefer iOS. I'm quite aware of the capabilities of Android and what it offers, including the aspects that are not available in iOS, yet I still prefer to use iOS as I find it a more enjoyable experience for my use case--enough so that those areas of hardware superiority on the Galaxy S7 aren't enough to persuade me to leave it. That's the X factor in this equation for millions of people. Yes, the Galaxy may have better hardware elements but that doesn't mean the iPhone's hardware is garbage...just isn't at quite the exceptional level of the latest Samsung phones. What you're seeing is a great many people saying they'd rather use slightly inferior hardware because they'd also rather use iOS.
And to be clear, I'm not apologizing for Apple and saying what they're doing is plenty good enough. Of course I'd love to have improvements in any/all areas of the iPhone, but as it currently stands, it's still more than good enough for me and obviously, many millions others have the same feeling. That may change in the future if at some point, iOS isn't enough for their customers.
You're fairer than most.
The only point I'd add is that hardware matters. To simply concede that Samsung has better hardware and leave it at that as if it has no bearing to software is, I think, a mistake. It's reached a point where the superior hardware married to TouchWiz/Marshmallow is providing a better overall experience. More usefulness. More function. More consistency. More customization. Less worry. No one is saying iPhone hardware is "garbage." Just behind.
Just to give one example where hardware + software matter: The S7 Edge carries a massive 3600 mah battery. You marry that with the optimization that's been made between TW/MM, couple with hardware and software features like wireless/quick charging and Doze/Power & Ultra-power saving modes, and you suddenly are using a smartphone where you almost never have to worry about battery life. Someone asked the other day what sort of SOT people are getting with the S7E, and I honestly didn't know. I haven't checked in a while. Why not? Well, because I simply don't think or worry about battery life anymore. This is a wonderful luxury.
And I won't rise to the defense of Android software again. I know you know my posts. I'd argue that except for a few areas, Apple's software is behind too. iOS needs a lot more work than people know or maybe even want to admit. I've outlined my thoughts a number of times so I won't go too crazy here repeating them. In short, there are just too many inconsistencies and overbearing security measures; and not enough freedom to customize both aesthetics and personal use functions. iOS does many things right, but so does Android. Millions are fine with iOS at its current state, but that can be said of Android as well (doesn't mean Android doesn't have problems, right?).
So, to me, not only should Apple start upping their hardware game, they need to up their software game, too.
And I'm not the only one saying this. Even tech journalists who have been very Apple-friendly have said that Apple needs to bring their A-game this Fall with the iPhone 7.
I strongly agree.
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http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/6/11379640/apple-huawei-xiaomi-design-competition
Apple's copycats are turning into true iPhone competitors
Apple's copycats are turning into true iPhone competitors
One of the better posts ive seen on this site. Im an Android guy but your post nails it perfectly.I think the contention comes from 2 areas--those who see a criticism or 'attack' on their personal choice of device as an attack on themselves (too much of that around here) and those who simply disagree based upon their preferences (I consider myself part of the latter
Objectively comparing hardware, I wouldn't disagree with that statement--as it pertains solely to hardware. That's much easier to measure, considering the ability to qualitatively measure the performance of aspects like the display and camera. I think you are including your clear preference for Android and feeling that it's the superior OS in that statement and that's the flaw in your argument, IMO.
Millions of people clearly prefer iOS. I'm quite aware of the capabilities of Android and what it offers, including the aspects that are not available in iOS, yet I still prefer to use iOS as I find it a more enjoyable experience for my use case--enough so that those areas of hardware superiority on the Galaxy S7 aren't enough to persuade me to leave it. That's the X factor in this equation for millions of people. Yes, the Galaxy may have better hardware elements but that doesn't mean the iPhone's hardware is garbage...just isn't at quite the exceptional level of the latest Samsung phones. What you're seeing is a great many people saying they'd rather use slightly inferior hardware because they'd also rather use iOS.
And to be clear, I'm not apologizing for Apple and saying what they're doing is plenty good enough. Of course I'd love to have improvements in any/all areas of the iPhone, but as it currently stands, it's still more than good enough for me and obviously, many millions others have the same feeling. That may change in the future if at some point, iOS isn't enough for their customers.
But you've made this same argument for a few years now. Android has been superior to iOS in your eyes for quite a while. You were pretty glowing in your assessment of the S6. Didn't see the iPhone customers migrate in droves then. I don't think the S7 offers anything revolutionary--same Android, very similar hardware to the S6---that will all of a sudden open the eyes of iOS users. You're allowing your own personal preferences and assessment of Android to cloud the argument for other. Millions of iOS users didn't see Android as more useful, functional, or care about the expanded ability to customize last year. Nothing in MM is going to change that if it didn't in lollipop.
Battery life has really never been an issue for my on my iPhones. It's great to be able to have all day battery performance--an area where the iPhone 6S+, Apple's equivalent to the S7 edge, doesn't underperform. The standard size iPhone isn't as good and could use a bump but I don't recall seeing it as a massive criticism either, at least nothing like the standard S6 suffered from last year. Again, if battery life on the iPhone had been a problem, the exodus would've happened a while ago.
But again, this isn't a new issue. Android didn't just gain these new functionalities. If this was a significant problem for iOS users, shouldn't these deficiencies have caused that shift away from the iPhone a few years ago? What is so revolutionary about marshmallow that now longtime iOS users will leave?
To be clear, I'm not disagreeing with most of your points--there are many things I'd like to see improved in iOS and the iPhone. I'm only arguing from the perspective of the typical consumer. I don't see the big revolutionary change coming because of the S7 models. Yes, they appear to be doing better than last year's models and rightfully so as they're by all accounts better phones. But most of these arguments have been pertinent for at least a couple years now. I think you and many here have a higher standard of expectation than most consumers. Their minimum needs/requirements in a smartphone are far surpassed by both the Galaxies and iPhone.
If the iPhone 7 comes out and is just more of the same that we've seen from Apple for the past few years, maybe it will be the tipping point. Let's revisit again about a year from now and see what's happened.
And I'll be honest...I really hope Apple does suffer a bit of a sales/profit setback this upcoming year. I've been a bit frustrated by their stagnation and practices (the pricing for the iPP models and their accessories is simply ridiculous, IMO) and would like them to suffer a nice, swift kick in the proverbial behind to realize that they are not going to be able to ride this financial wave forever. I'd rather see them adopt a bit of a proactive approach rather than wait until their bottom line suffers but sadly don't think that's going to happen so...kick away.
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Great post! I like your stand on why you continue to use iPhone.I think the contention comes from 2 areas--those who see a criticism or 'attack' on their personal choice of device as an attack on themselves (too much of that around here) and those who simply disagree based upon their preferences (I consider myself part of the latter
Objectively comparing hardware, I wouldn't disagree with that statement--as it pertains solely to hardware. That's much easier to measure, considering the ability to qualitatively measure the performance of aspects like the display and camera. I think you are including your clear preference for Android and feeling that it's the superior OS in that statement and that's the flaw in your argument, IMO.
Millions of people clearly prefer iOS. I'm quite aware of the capabilities of Android and what it offers, including the aspects that are not available in iOS, yet I still prefer to use iOS as I find it a more enjoyable experience for my use case--enough so that those areas of hardware superiority on the Galaxy S7 aren't enough to persuade me to leave it. That's the X factor in this equation for millions of people. Yes, the Galaxy may have better hardware elements but that doesn't mean the iPhone's hardware is garbage...just isn't at quite the exceptional level of the latest Samsung phones. What you're seeing is a great many people saying they'd rather use slightly inferior hardware because they'd also rather use iOS.
And to be clear, I'm not apologizing for Apple and saying what they're doing is plenty good enough. Of course I'd love to have improvements in any/all areas of the iPhone, but as it currently stands, it's still more than good enough for me and obviously, many millions others have the same feeling. That may change in the future if at some point, iOS isn't enough for their customers.
But you've made this same argument for a few years now. Android has been superior to iOS in your eyes for quite a while. You were pretty glowing in your assessment of the S6. Didn't see the iPhone customers migrate in droves then. I don't think the S7 offers anything revolutionary--same Android, very similar hardware to the S6---that will all of a sudden open the eyes of iOS users. You're allowing your own personal preferences and assessment of Android to cloud the argument for other. Millions of iOS users didn't see Android as more useful, functional, or care about the expanded ability to customize last year. Nothing in MM is going to change that if it didn't in lollipop.
Battery life has really never been an issue for my on my iPhones. It's great to be able to have all day battery performance--an area where the iPhone 6S+, Apple's equivalent to the S7 edge, doesn't underperform. The standard size iPhone isn't as good and could use a bump but I don't recall seeing it as a massive criticism either, at least nothing like the standard S6 suffered from last year. Again, if battery life on the iPhone had been a problem, the exodus would've happened a while ago.
But again, this isn't a new issue. Android didn't just gain these new functionalities. If this was a significant problem for iOS users, shouldn't these deficiencies have caused that shift away from the iPhone a few years ago? What is so revolutionary about marshmallow that now longtime iOS users will leave?
To be clear, I'm not disagreeing with most of your points--there are many things I'd like to see improved in iOS and the iPhone. I'm only arguing from the perspective of the typical consumer. I don't see the big revolutionary change coming because of the S7 models. Yes, they appear to be doing better than last year's models and rightfully so as they're by all accounts better phones. But most of these arguments have been pertinent for at least a couple years now. I think you and many here have a higher standard of expectation than most consumers. Their minimum needs/requirements in a smartphone are far surpassed by both the Galaxies and iPhone.
If the iPhone 7 comes out and is just more of the same that we've seen from Apple for the past few years, maybe it will be the tipping point. Let's revisit again about a year from now and see what's happened.
And I'll be honest...I really hope Apple does suffer a bit of a sales/profit setback this upcoming year. I've been a bit frustrated by their stagnation and practices (the pricing for the iPP models and their accessories is simply ridiculous, IMO) and would like them to suffer a nice, swift kick in the proverbial behind to realize that they are not going to be able to ride this financial wave forever. I'd rather see them adopt a bit of a proactive approach rather than wait until their bottom line suffers but sadly don't think that's going to happen so...kick away.
Fair enough. There's a lot I don't disagree with.
And the reality is, they'll probably have another record breaking year because of the Apple brand. Which, by the way, is the answer to a lot of your questions about why there hasn't been a mass exodus yet. The brand.
I don't think nor argue that Apple is "doomed" or will lose all their user base. Far from it; in fact, I argue that the branding is that strong that Apple can continue what they're doing (playing the slow game) and still have record breaking sales. And part of my argument is that that's the problem. It leads to an iPhone that isn't as good as it can be nor as good as what the competition is offering by not holding back (they can't afford to! They don't have that sort of following or base. Not yet anyway...).
Anyway, like I said, I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of what you say. I think we are both rather aligned in our hopes that Apple will offer more. It's a shame that that's a contentious point to so many people.
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I think this is what Apple has been missing since the death of Steve Jobs. After seeing apple on the verge of bankruptcy, he became paranoid of not allowing that to happen again. That's why he didn't pay dividends and instead bank the profits for a rainy day, plus gave a sense of urgency in moving products forward. The sense, style, and philosophy of his survived, but that sense of urgency seems to be gone.
And the thing about better battery life is.... if it is guaranteed to get me through a day and charges quick at the end of the day, I am happy. If that second day isn't a guarantee, it doesn't do me much good. Right now I don't think there is any battery out there that takes it to this two day guarantee. So an argument of better battery life does nothing for me.
That was just an example (don't forget what sort of resolution and features that battery is powering in the s7 edge). But yes, two solid day battery life would be sweet!
This was a timely article I just read.
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-s7-battery-life-review-683968/
First, this confirm the 810 dogs the nexus battery as the video performance is so *****. Second, that Note 5 battery still holds up with everything. Third, I really want the Exynos here in the states more. Qualcomm is slipping. Hard.
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