is the Galaxy S 7 a real threat to iPhone ? how many here would switch ?

[Truefan31]

Yup. Same applies for iOS.

Imagine if it opened up a little. Or had a more consistent experience. Imagine if it treated its users like adults.
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I really feel this article shouldn't be missed.

Like I said, I'm not the only one saying the things I've been saying.

I think Apple treats its customers like adults, what does that even mean to imply? They know that after sales support and service is important to adults too.

 

[Truefan31]

You're fairer than most.

The only point I'd add is that hardware matters. To simply concede that Samsung has better hardware and leave it at that as if it has no bearing to software is, I think, a mistake. It's reached a point where the superior hardware married to TouchWiz/Marshmallow is providing a better overall experience. More usefulness. More function. More consistency. More customization. Less worry. No one is saying iPhone hardware is "garbage." Just behind.

Just to give one example where hardware + software matter: The S7 Edge carries a massive 3600 mah battery. You marry that with the optimization that's been made between TW/MM, couple with hardware and software features like wireless/quick charging and Doze/Power & Ultra-power saving modes, and you suddenly are using a smartphone where you almost never have to worry about battery life. Someone asked the other day what sort of SOT people are getting with the S7E, and I honestly didn't know. I haven't checked in a while. Why not? Well, because I simply don't think or worry about battery life anymore. This is a wonderful luxury.

And I won't rise to the defense of Android software again. I know you know my posts. I'd argue that except for a few areas, Apple's software is behind too. iOS needs a lot more work than people know or maybe even want to admit. I've outlined my thoughts a number of times so I won't go too crazy here repeating them. In short, there are just too many inconsistencies and overbearing security measures; and not enough freedom to customize both aesthetics and personal use functions. iOS does many things right, but so does Android. Millions are fine with iOS at its current state, but that can be said of Android as well (doesn't mean Android doesn't have problems, right?).

So, to me, not only should Apple start upping their hardware game, they need to up their software game, too.

And I'm not the only one saying this. Even tech journalists who have been very Apple-friendly have said that Apple needs to bring their A-game this Fall with the iPhone 7.

I strongly agree.

That's definitely your right to your opinion. And that's what it is. Your opinion.

Not everyone agrees with your premise and that in itself doesn't make what your saying any more credible than anyone else who may either agree or disagree with the state of Apple and iPhone.

 

[tbayrgs]

I think Apple treats its customers like adults, what does that even mean to imply? They know that after sales support and service is important to adults too.

I think he's referring to issues like imposing file size limits while downloading over cellular, or not being able to use third party keyboards for ALL data entry. And I tend to agree with him. It's fine if Apple wants to impose those restrictions but how about allowing us to opt out of them with our own explicit approval...ie. having to click a setting and 'agree' button to acknowledge the risks.

 

[Radon87000]

Where do they say they can?

The evidence.Is there any evidence on Cellebrite's website where they say they can unlock iPhone 5C?Nope and yet they quite easily developed a tool for the FBI and one upped Apple.So considering this,theres no evidence to the contrary that they cannot make a similar tool for the 6S.

We are talking about a company who effortlessly bypassed the iPhone security here
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I think Apple treats its customers like adults, what does that even mean to imply? They know that after sales support and service is important to adults too.

Not really.I own a Mac and a Windows PC as well as iOS and Android and I must say that Android and Windows give you much more freedom over the OS and treat you as adults so to speak.On the Mac,for some childish reason,Apple insists on enabling "only allow apps from the app store to be installed" by default.If I want touse it,you know,like a proper PC and download programs from other sites I have to dig into the settings and disable that option.On Windows,I can use it like an enthusiast the moment its installed.On Android,I can use any program I want to,to connect my Android to a Mac or a PC.I can install apps from external sources.I can even install different ROMs with varying features and innovative designs and also get multiple App Stores.On iPhone,I am stuck with Apple's own App Store.I absolutely must have iTunes installed to even think about connecting my iPhone and there is very limited customisation capability

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I think he's referring to issues like imposing file size limits while downloading over cellular, or not being able to use third party keyboards to for ALL data entry. And I tend to agree with him. It's fine if Apple wants to impose those restrictions but how about allowing us to opt out of them with our own explicit approval...ie. having to click a setting and 'agree' button to acknowledge the risks.

Exactly. And that's the main reason I can't use iOS as my daily driver.

Also, if you mess with anything that syncs(contacts, photos, music, etc) to do something the way you would like, there is a chance you might screw everything up and find out it's all screwed up or deleted on your iPad and Mac too. And it's a pain to fix. I don't have that issue with Google syncing, and 3rd party syncing.

 

[jamezr]

One more time, the FBI admitted that they only hacked the 5c. They cannot hack the 5s and higher iPhones. FBI lost in this one.

and........i didn't say anything different. Read the post again. Exploits lead to other exploits this is common knowledge.

 

[epicrayban]

I think he's referring to issues like imposing file size limits while downloading over cellular, or not being able to use third party keyboards for ALL data entry. And I tend to agree with him. It's fine if Apple wants to impose those restrictions but how about allowing us to opt out of them with our own explicit approval...ie. having to click a setting and 'agree' button to acknowledge the risks.

Yup. Or randomly forcing you to enter your pin code and/or password during unlocking of the device or when purchasing apps in the App store. Inconsistent experience.

The limitation to downloading large apps via data from the App store blows my mind. What if I'm not near WiFi, don't trust the public WiFi, and need an app or just plain want one at the moment? Even for those who don't have unlimited data, what if your allotment has restarted at the top of the month and you just want an app? I have to wait until I get to WiFi first to download a larger app?

And agree with you about the solution; a simple option to opt out of these extra security measures would eliminate this problem easily.

 

[tbayrgs]

Exactly. And that's the main reason I can't use iOS as my daily driver.

Also, if you mess with anything that syncs(contacts, photos, music, etc) to do something the way you would like, there is a chance you might screw everything up and find out it's all screwed up or deleted on your iPad and Mac too. And it's a pain to fix. I don't have that issue with Google syncing, and 3rd party syncing.

If you're referring to using iCloud to sync your info--might be the case. For the couple years I used it, I never had any sync problems--even used it successfully to sync contacts, calendar and email on my Android devices (using a third party solution needed at that time). And while I now use Google for most information syncing and have for a couple years, it hasn't been perfectly seamless either--have had quite a few calendar syncing issues that even required me to entirely clear out my calendars and reimport the data. I still see occasional irregularities (ie. duplicate or missing events).

I still use iCloud for all syncing outside of email/contacts/calendars (Safari, keychain, photos, notes, etc) and it's been seamless and for the most part, transparent to my usage. Apple Music and syncing...well, that is a dumpster fire in need of a complete overhaul...part of the reason I went back to Google Play Music. Overall though, I would agree that Google's services and syncing are probably a bit more reliable for most things. I use them primarily because of their ease of use across all platforms.

 

[epicrayban]

That's definitely your right to your opinion. And that's what it is. Your opinion.

Not everyone agrees with your premise and that in itself doesn't make what your saying any more credible than anyone else who may either agree or disagree with the state of Apple and iPhone.

Saying the s7 edge can do more than the iPhone is not an opinion.

 

[tbayrgs]

Yup. Or randomly forcing you to enter your pin code and/or password during unlocking of the device or when purchasing apps in the App store. Inconsistent experience.

Might be semantics but don't see this as an issue of excessive handholding but rather, crappy implementation and execution. Regardless, it does need to be improved because I find I'm having to manually enter this info too much. Why on Earth allow the TouchID to be used for authentication if every few days you have to do this?

 

[epicrayban]

Might be semantics but don't see this as an issue of excessive handholding but rather, crappy implementation and execution. Regardless, it does need to be improved because I find I'm having to manually enter this info too much. Why on Earth allow the TouchID to be used for authentication if every few days you have to do this?

Precisely. Why not let your new feature shine. No trust in it? I don't know.

Ditto control center and 3d touch. This is what I mean by opening things up a little, too, and letting us be adults of our own device. Let us pick what to put in our control center. Let me pick what shortcuts to enable via 3d touch on apps. What if I don't ever need airplay in CC? Or care about taking selfies? What a waste of a shortcut for the 3d touch on the camera app.

I say again to all: customization is not just about theming and aesthetics. It leads to a more personal and functional phone for your specific needs. Remember how much we care about "personal use?" I agree! In a device that is used every day, customization is supremely helpful.

 

[MRU]

If you're referring to using iCloud to sync your info--might be the case. For the couple years I used it, I never had any sync problems--even used it successfully to sync contacts, calendar and email on my Android devices (using a third party solution needed at that time). And while I now use Google for most information syncing and have for a couple years, it hasn't been perfectly seamless either--have had quite a few calendar syncing issues that even required me to entirely clear out my calendars and reimport the data. I still see occasional irregularities (ie. duplicate or missing events).

I still use iCloud for all syncing outside of email/contacts/calendars (Safari, keychain, photos, notes, etc) and it's been seamless and for the most part, transparent to my usage. Apple Music and syncing...well, that is a dumpster fire in need of a complete overhaul...part of the reason I went back to Google Play Music. Overall though, I would agree that Google's services and syncing are probably a bit more reliable for most things. I use them primarily because of their ease of use across all platforms.

Yeah I have .mac accounts and a google account and regardless of which devices I am using - and we all know I have had and will have many more - as yet haven't had a syncing problem between iOS or Android regarding contacts / calendars or email.

I don't use Apple music, I use google play music myself and the only thing I would change about that particular app is on IOS that it would see existing music stored on the device alongside your GPM sub music downloads, just like it does on Android. I am not sure why Google has opted to segregate it on iOS as there are plenty of other music sub services and players that are able to show both, so it is definitely a choice Google has implemented...

Other than that though, my experience with both Google and Apple services much the same regardless of what device I am using and syncing likewise. When in 18 months I've gone through 20+ phones - if there was an issue to be had, you would think I would encountered it, but nada FWIW.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Yeah I have .mac accounts and a google account and regardless of which devices I am using - and we all know I have had and will have many more - as yet haven't had a syncing problem between iOS or Android regarding contacts / calendars or email.

I don't use Apple music, I use google play music myself and the only thing I would change about that particular app is on IOS that it would see existing music stored on the device alongside your GPM sub music downloads, just like it does on Android. I am not sure why Google has opted to segregate it on iOS as there are plenty of other music sub services and players that are able to show both, so it is definitely a choice Google has implemented...

Other than that though, my experience with both Google and Apple services much the same regardless of what device I am using and syncing likewise. When in 18 months I've gone through 20+ phones - if there was an issue to be had, you would think I would encountered it, but nada FWIW.

I myself had issues with syncing on iOS.

First, I've had random issues for years with my photos not showing up on my iPad. Work perfectly on my Macs and iPhones. I would have to go through loopholes of trying to delete/reset accounts on devices without trying to delete everything on all devices and dealing with the endless warning popups. Lets just say, good thing I keep backups of everything (outside the cloud).

Second, I forgot exactly what I was trying to acheive, but from itunes with my iphone connected, I deleted all my contacts, and it deleted on all my Apple devices. There was no way to get them back. I had to manually enter a ton of contacts again as adding contact files didn't work. Took me half the day. I once did the same with Google contacts, but Google keeps recovery restore points for contacts.

I haven't had much of an issue with syncing music, except one time when Apple labeled a ripped CD album as corrupt, and even when I deleted it and ripped the CD back on, it refused to show up. The CD and ripped music files were not corrupt as it worked fine on itunes but not on my idevices.

I haven't synced with iCloud for years, so I'll give benifit of the doubt, but I still don't trust it.

 

[I7guy]

The evidence.Is there any evidence on Cellebrite's website where they say they can unlock iPhone 5C?Nope and yet they quite easily developed a tool for the FBI and one upped Apple.So considering this,theres no evidence to the contrary that they cannot make a similar tool for the 6S.

We are talking about a company who effortlessly bypassed the iPhone security here
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Not really.I own a Mac and a Windows PC as well as iOS and Android and I must say that Android and Windows give you much more freedom over the OS and treat you as adults so to speak.On the Mac,for some childish reason,Apple insists on enabling "only allow apps from the app store to be installed" by default.If I want touse it,you know,like a proper PC and download programs from other sites I have to dig into the settings and disable that option.On Windows,I can use it like an enthusiast the moment its installed.On Android,I can use any program I want to,to connect my Android to a Mac or a PC.I can install apps from external sources.I can even install different ROMs with varying features and innovative designs and also get multiple App Stores.On iPhone,I am stuck with Apple's own App Store.I absolutely must have iTunes installed to even think about connecting my iPhone and there is very limited customisation capability

So essentially your argument is a straw man, got it. Considering they list models what models are listed?

As Jerry McGuire said: "show me the money". iOw coulda, woulda, shoulda.

 

[Radon87000]

So essentially your argument is a straw man, got it. Considering they list models what models are listed?

As Jerry McGuire said: "show me the money". iOw coulda, woulda, shoulda.

Merely pointing out the obvious.The FBI said THIS PARTICULAR PURCHASED tool does not work on iPhone 5s and above.This does NOT mean tools which work on the 6S do not exist

 

[macfacts]

I think Apple need to bring a bigger battery, but it doesn't necessarily have to match some of the devices in that picture. If it did that would be excellent but iOS is generally less power hungry so as long as the life is matched, I think many would appreciate that.

Battery life seems better under iOS because there are so many restrictions that apps have to do things like play silent music to run in background. That's how Apple optimized battery life, by preventing you from using it.

"This Apple car gets great gas mileage because Apple restricts its usage to the highway."

 

[jamezr]

Merely pointing out the obvious.The FBI said THIS PARTICULAR PURCHASED tool does not work on iPhone 5s and above.This does NOT mean tools which work on the 6S do not exist

exactly.....it's not like they have a published catalog of what they can and can't do. They would rather the public and the media not know.....

 

[navaira]

Battery life seems better under iOS because there are so many restrictions that apps have to do things like play silent music to run in background. That's how Apple optimized battery life, by preventing you from using it.

Brr. Another reminder about Galaxy S3. Reviews praised excellent battery life. I was surprised to see it doesn't stretch through the day without charging. Answer? Disable wifi, disable 3G, disable this, disable that... and once you gimped the phone to Nokia 3210 levels, hey, battery is fabtastic!

 

[nj1266]

and........i didn't say anything different. Read the post again. Exploits lead to other exploits this is common knowledge.

No it does not. That exploit that was used is for the 5c and the FBI admitted that they cannot hack the 5s, 6, and 6s. It is all over the news.

 

[nj1266]

Might be semantics but don't see this as an issue of excessive handholding but rather, crappy implementation and execution. Regardless, it does need to be improved because I find I'm having to manually enter this info too much. Why on Earth allow the TouchID to be used for authentication if every few days you have to do this?

The only time I have to manually enter my id for an App Store purchase is when I restart my iPhone. All the other times I use Touch ID.

 

[jamezr]

No it does not. That exploit that was used is for the 5c and the FBI admitted that they cannot hack the 5s, 6, and 6s. It is all over the news.

read my post again.......I did not say they can exploit the 5s or current gen iphones. You are just incorrectly assuming that. I stated exploits lead to other exploits. This is widely known.....
Exploits get socialized through the community...then the get repurposed for other things once they can figure out how to use it for other reasons. Sometimes one exploit leads to finding another or can be used in conjunction with other exploits.

There are several methods of classifying exploits. The most common is by how the exploit contacts the vulnerable software. A remote exploit works over a network and exploits the security vulnerability without any prior access to the vulnerable system. A local exploit requires prior access to the vulnerable system and usually increases the privileges of the person running the exploit past those granted by the system administrator. Exploits against client applications also exist, usually consisting of modified servers that send an exploit if accessed with a client application. Exploits against client applications may also require some interaction with the user and thus may be used in combination with the social engineering method. Another classification is by the action against the vulnerable system; unauthorized data access, arbitrary code execution, and denial of service are examples. Many exploits are designed to provide superuser-level access to a computer system. However, it is also possible to use several exploits, first to gain low-level access, then to escalate privileges repeatedly until one reaches root. Normally a single exploit can only take advantage of a specific software vulnerability. Often, when an exploit is published, the vulnerability is fixed through a patch and the exploit becomes obsolete until newer versions of the software become available. This is the reason why some black hat hackers do not publish their exploits but keep them private to themselves or other hackers. Such exploits are referred to as zero day exploits and to obtain access to such exploits is the primary desire of unskilled attackers, often nicknamed script kiddies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_(computer_security)

 

[I7guy]

Merely pointing out the obvious.The FBI said THIS PARTICULAR PURCHASED tool does not work on iPhone 5s and above.This does NOT mean tools which work on the 6S do not exist

show some evidence these tools exist. Just saying...your opinion is that there MAY be tools available. Sure a firm
Possibility of a definitive maybe.

 

[Radon87000]

show some evidence these tools exist. Just saying...your opinion is that there MAY be tools available. Sure a firm
Possibility of a definitive maybe.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

Again these guys have unlocked an iPhone 5c.So its reaosnable to assume they have tools for the iPhone 6s which the FBI didnt purchase

Are you seriously claiming the iPhone 6S Is unhackable?

 

[jamezr]

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

Again these guys have unlocked an iPhone 5c.So its reaosnable to assume they have tools for the iPhone 6s which the FBI didnt purchase

Are you seriously claiming the iPhone 6S Is unhackable?

it is naïve to think the NSA does not have a way to do this. They have a way to snoop steal information on some of the most sophisticated countries in the world. They have been called out for it numerous times. They do not publish their list of accomplishments for obvious reasons.
This article is a good explanation of the Secure Enclave. It also references what I have said here as well....
Thye might not be able to brute force the password. But they have other ways of getting information from any phone they want.

Washington, however, has other methods of extracting data from phones that don’t require passwords. The CIA, the National Security Agency and the FBI have been working on invasive and non-invasive methods of data extraction for more than a decade. Many security experts believe the intelligence agencies have devised unique solutions to problems just like the San Bernardino phone.

It’s possible, of course, for authorities to physically open the phone, pull out the computer chips and bombard them with lasers or radio frequencies to get at the information they need. But experts aren’t sure how much — if any — data would be lost in the process.

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-deba...t-a-legal-precedent-not-break-into-an-iphone/

That program was disclosed in Snowden documents reported on last year by The Guardian. A WARRIOR PRIDE plugin called NOSEY SMURF allowed spies to remotely and secretly activate a phone’s microphone. Another plugin, DREAMY SMURF, allowed intelligence agents to manage the power system on a phone and thus avoid detection. PARANOID SMURF was designed to conceal the malware in other ways. TRACKER SMURF allowed ultra-precise geolocating of an individual phone. “[If] its [sic] on the phone, we can get it,” the spies boasted in a secret GCHQ document describing the targeting of the iPhone.

https://theintercept.com/2015/03/10/ispy-cia-campaign-steal-apples-secrets/


The level of sophistication available to the NSA listed above is just a small sample.

The whole FBI court thing was just to set a legal precedent.

 

[I7guy]

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

Again these guys have unlocked an iPhone 5c.So its reaosnable to assume they have tools for the iPhone 6s which the FBI didnt purchase

Are you seriously claiming the iPhone 6S Is unhackable?

Yes, for now. if they could hack it, they would say so. Why not advertise it? They were lazy and didn't want to update the website?