is the Galaxy S 7 a real threat to iPhone ? how many here would switch ?

[FFR]

So why not mention my laptop reference? Are you scared?

You said sales ALWAYS= profits. Which is not true. Any sensible person knows this.

One more comparison. Uh huh.

Yes. If it doesn't it's a loss. Not a question of sensibility but a question of education.

 

[jamezr]

Doesn't seem to be any proof in there at all, that there is a tried and true method for plugging and iphone into something and 1 second later. Viola instant hack. Just a lot of words about how the government would like to access your data if it wants to.

In a new court brief filed this week, Apple once again makes its case that the FBI’s request to force it to unlock the San Bernardino shooter’s iPhone 5c isn’t constitutional. While this isn’t surprising, it’s notable that the iPhone maker also implies that the NSA might have what it takes to decrypt iPhones for the FBI. It’s just that the Bureau seems not to have sought such assistance.

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Apple makes a point of advertising the security features of its iPhone and Mac software every chance it gets. But in this brief, it is sort-of acknowledging that intelligence agencies such as the NSA could have what it takes to hack iPhones. AsWired notes, Apple did touch on the matter before, but this time, it put this argument in writing.

“The government does not deny that there may be other agencies in the government that could assist it in unlocking the phone and accessing its data; rather, it claims, without support, that it has no obligation to consult other agencies,” Apple wrote.

The company also said that FBI Director James Comey avoided answering that question when asked about it a few weeks ago at a congressional hearing.

Ironically, Apple is advising the FBI to develop iPhone-hacking capabilities of its own if it can’t do it without the help of the NSA, instead of seeking unconstitutional ways to force tech companies to assist.

As we explained in the past, the FBI has a bigger play in mind and the NSA’s assistance isn’t required. If successful against Apple, the Bureau will set a precedent that might affect similar court duels against other tech companies based in the U.S. Furthermore, the FBI might not be interested in having to defend in court evidence obtained from hacking the device.

Not to mention that the NSA probably doesn’t want to admit it can hack into iPhones – and Apple probably doesn’t want to hear about it either.

So you have NOTHING to back your position except your opinion? Then you didn't read the articles or comprehend them. If you didn't really want to discuss the issue then why continue? You have offered nothing to substantiate your side of things.
I have posted numerous articles by respected reporters and respected publications. All you have offered is nothing....got it.....


Interview with Eric Snowden..

“The FBI says Apple has the ‘exclusive technical means’” to unlock the phone, Snowden said during a discussion at Common Cause’s Blueprint for Democracy conference.

“Respectfully, that’s ********,” he said, over a video link from Moscow.

Even so, security researchers say there are other options, like “de-capping” the phone’s memory chip to access it outside the phone (which Snowden has also mentioned), or resetting the phone’s internal counter so that you can guess the passwords as many times as you want. Those techniques are hard and expensive and could destroy the phone, experts say — but have worked in the past.

https://theintercept.com/2016/03/08/snowden-fbi-claim-that-only-apple-can-unlock-phone-is-********/
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Thanks.
Here is with the screen on:

Lighting was terrible.

Awesome thank you. So why not use it? I know you prefer the iphone and are probably into Apple services that come along with the all Apple devices.
I do like my iphone 6s+ a lot. It is my daily driver this week. But my S7 edge is an awesome phone too!
Whether you like Android or not it an great phone.

 

[FFR]

Why can't you just switch them? The phones are unlocked over there right? Seems like it would be a simple thing to switch sims with different numbers or carriers on unlocked phones. They might need a restart but then all is good. Keeping track of which line is in what phone might be a problem though.

I used to switch them I kept a little case with all my SIM cards in it. But it was a hassle and I always lost one or two SIM cards, it's pretty difficult to get a replacement SIM card while your in another country.

All my phones are unlocked.
At one point I had the the wallpaper match the sim cards country of origin. That was when my iPhones ware identical in model and color. Now I just use different color iPhones. Saves me a lot of hassle. iOS keeps multiple devices completely in sync. That helps a lot.

 

[FFR]

$100 says it doesn't happen.

Pay up.

 

[I7guy]

So you have NOTHING to back your position except your opinion? Then you didn't read the articles or comprehend them. If you didn't really want to discuss the issue then why continue? You have offered nothing to substantiate your side of things.
I have posted numerous articles by respected reporters and respected publications. All you have offered is nothing....got it.....


Interview with Eric Snowden..

https://theintercept.com/2016/03/08/snowden-fbi-claim-that-only-apple-can-unlock-phone-is-********/
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Awesome thank you. So why not use it? I know you prefer the iphone and are probably into Apple services that come along with the all Apple devices.
I do like my iphone 6s+ a lot. It is my daily driver this week. But my S7 edge is an awesome phone too!
Whether you like Android or not it an great phone.

As I said.....yawn. All like to haves, no concrete evidence the fbi or cia can have instant access to your phone.

 

[jamezr]

As I said.....yawn. All like to haves, no concrete evidence the fbi or cia can have instant access to your phone.

But there is evidence and it was posted for you. You just didn't read it or understand and connect the dots. I get it....you have nothing so you just want to drag it on to save face now.....

 

[Truefan31]

Pay up.

I hear crickets now. I think you accept pp gift right? Lol

 

[Blaze4G]

One more comparison. Uh huh.

Yes. If it doesn't it's a loss. Not a question of sensibility but a question of education.

No senseless remark about that comparison huh? Can't come up with anything? Ha-ha I will give you time to think of something.

Okay so if I sell my car for less than I paid for it, in your mind it is not considered a sale, it is considered a loss.

So I can tell my friends and family, hey I just loss my car! Brilliant.

 

[nj1266]

That's where you're mistaken. The millions of viewers of Youtube vlog reviews, millions of readers of the well known tech blogs and forums, ... are the majority of average users that want insight from users like us.

Companies like Samsung knows how loud and influential the techie minority can be. Which is why we see such a drastic improvement over the last several years.

The dramatic improvement came about because sales tanked with the S5. The tech community here and consumer reports gave the S5 a very good ranking. In fact, CR ranked the S5 higher than the S6. Since sales tanked, Samsung changed the materials used to similar ones that the iPhone used with the 4/4s which arguably was the best iPhone design. I recall the Android forum fans making fun of the iPhone 4/4s for using a breakable glass back, but now that Samsung has done the same thing it has become a non issue. Ditto the non-replaceable battery.

The tech community loved the S5, but sales were bad and that is what counts. Your opinion on some obscure tech forum does not matter.

 

[Truefan31]

The dramatic improvement came about because sales tanked with the S5. The tech community here and consumer reports gave the S5 a very good ranking. In fact, CR ranked the S5 higher than the S6. Since sales tanked, Samsung changed the materials used to similar ones that the iPhone used with the 4/4s which arguably was the best iPhone design. I recall the Android forum fans making fun of the iPhone 4/4s for using a breakable glass back, but now that Samsung has done the same thing it has become a non issue. Ditto the non-replaceable battery.

The tech community loved the S5, but sales were bad and that is what counts. Your opinion on some obscure tech forum does not matter.

That's my sentiment as well in terms of the big changes. I get everyone has an opinion, but at the end of the day it's about the money. We all want to think our opinions matter to these companies but if people are still buying them that's the ultimate factor.

 

[nj1266]

They said they were optimistic of getting the files too.Now ,as hackers'why would they say that if they couldn't do it

Optimistic and actually doing it are two different things. I am optimistic that Bernie Sanders might win the NY primary next Tuesday, but having him actually win it is yet to be determined.

 

[MRU]

Seriously guys you're all still squabbling ???

Time to ....

 

[FFR]

No senseless remark about that comparison huh? Can't come up with anything? Ha-ha I will give you time to think of something.

Okay so if I sell my car for less than I paid for it, in your mind it is not considered a sale, it is considered a loss.

So I can tell my friends and family, hey I just loss my car! Brilliant.

Well if you put your car together yourself and manufactured most of the components, and marketed your contraption, etc etc etc. then gave it away sure, you can call that a sale not a loss. Your friends and family will think you were special in a French sort of way, definitely not brilliant.
Carry on.

 

[Blaze4G]

Well if you put your car together yourself and manufactured most of the components, and marketed your contraption, etc etc etc. then gave it away sure, you can call that a sale not a loss. Your friends and family will think you were special in a French sort of way, definitely not brilliant.
Carry on.

So in conclusion as stated by FRR:
Sale = Profit (always)
Sale at a loss is not called a sale it is called a loss.

So Macrumors Members, remember, if you sell something for less than you paid for it, never tell anyone you sold X. You did not sell it, you lost it.

I have been losing so much stuff over the years. All this time I thought I was selling it. Thanks for the insight FFR, I am forever grateful.

 

[FFR]

So in conclusion as stated by FRR:
Sale = Profit (always)
Sale at a loss is not called a sale it is called a loss.

So Macrumors Members, remember, if you sell something for less than you paid for it, never tell anyone you sold X. You did not sell it, you lost it.

I have been losing so much stuff over the years. All this time I thought I was selling it. Thanks for the insight FFR, I am forever grateful.

This is what I actually said about sales and profit:

Economics would disagree with you, and in Econ it would be sales/revenues in relation to profit. It is the yard stick the world uses to gauge the success of a product or product line.

But according to you, sales is meaningless, so what is the indication?
Ads?



Oh and the reason the Genesis doesn't sell well isn't because of brand image, it's because of brand value, it's totally different.

This is what I said about sales and loss

Ignorant?
Your the one comparing hamburgers to the iPhone. You know how ridiculous that is.
When was the last time you spent over £800 on a burger? Or sign a two year contract for a happy meal.

Perhaps next time I go to mcdonalds I should ask them if they can prorate my burger. Smh


Btw if a product is offered for free it isn't counted as a sale.

Please do go on.:

Are you getting it?
Or is too complicated.
Perhaps you should go prorate another burger .

 

[Blaze4G]

This is what I actually said about sales and profit:



This is what I said about sales and loss





Are you getting it?
Or is too complicated.
Perhaps you should go prorate another burger .

Your exact post:
"Sales in relation to profit.
You can't have one without the other. "

In other words, you can't NOT have profit if you have sales in your mind, because you can't have one without the other right?

I have outline that you can have sales and ZERO profit. But you still fail to grasp that after giving you a few days to sleep on it. I can give you a few more if you would like.

You keep contradicting yourself to try and save face.

First you stated Sales = Best Product.

Then I highlighted that the HP Stream is the highest selling laptop, does that make it the best?

You then said sales in relation to profit.

So does that make Toyota cars the best? They sell the most and Toyota makes the most profit. So that fits your definition of BEST product.

But you don't agree that Toyota is the best cars on the road although it fits your description of BEST.

So are you going to change the definition of best product once more?

As per usual you are going to avoid responding to the Toyota part because you can't come up with a rebuttal.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

The dramatic improvement came about because sales tanked with the S5. The tech community here and consumer reports gave the S5 a very good ranking. In fact, CR ranked the S5 higher than the S6. Since sales tanked, Samsung changed the materials used to similar ones that the iPhone used with the 4/4s which arguably was the best iPhone design. I recall the Android forum fans making fun of the iPhone 4/4s for using a breakable glass back, but now that Samsung has done the same thing it has become a non issue. Ditto the non-replaceable battery.

The tech community loved the S5, but sales were bad and that is what counts. Your opinion on some obscure tech forum does not matter.

The tech community as well as average comsumers wasn't fond of flap covers. Also a 0.1 display increase and a 200mAh battery increase wasn't that persuasive for those with the S4 too upgrade to. Not to mention, the Note 3 was such a good phone that most skipped the S5 and waited for the Note 4.

 

[epicrayban]

Your exact post:
"Sales in relation to profit.
You can't have one without the other. "

In other words, you can't NOT have profit if you have sales in your mind, because you can't have one without the other right?

I have outline that you can have sales and ZERO profit. But you still fail to grasp that after giving you a few days to sleep on it. I can give you a few more if you would like.

You keep contradicting yourself to try and save face.

First you stated Sales = Best Product.

Then I highlighted that the HP Stream is the highest selling laptop, does that make it the best?

You then said sales in relation to profit.

So does that make Toyota cars the best? They sell the most and Toyota makes the most profit. So that fits your definition of BEST product.

But you don't agree that Toyota is the best cars on the road although it fits your description of BEST.

So are you going to change the definition of best product once more?

As per usual you are going to avoid responding to the Toyota part because you can't come up with a rebuttal.

It's a lost cause with FFR. He still hasn't elaborated on why or how my wish list for iOS and the iPhone will alienate iPhone users. Well, correction: he did elaborate on straw mans that were never in my posts. Then called my wish list a straw man fallacy, which still doesn't make any sense to me. Even accused me of being the obtuse one even though I'm the one who answered his question.

That's the sort of person you're arguing with. Probably best to let it go.

 

[Blaze4G]

It's a lost cause with FFR. He still hasn't elaborated on why or how my wish list for iOS and the iPhone will alienate iPhone users. Well, correction: he did elaborate on straw mans that were never in my posts. Then called my wish list a straw man fallacy, which still doesn't make any sense to me. Even accused me of being the obtuse one even though I'm the one who answered his question.

That's the sort of person you're arguing with. Probably best to let it go.

I have been keeping up with your debate with him. I noticed he kept mentioning things that made no sense. I actually find it entertaining reading someone contradict themselves over and over. I think your wishlist will only alienate FFR. Since he seems to fail to grasp simple concepts. If Apple added the option to change what is in the control center he would not be able to turn it off / not use it.

 

[mwhals]

I moved from my iPhone 6 Plus to a S7 Edge. Same size screen as the IPhone 6 Plus, but a smaller footprint. Apple needs to do a couple of things to make me switch back:

1. Reduce bezels

2. Allow more customization of the app layouts.

 

[FFR]

Your exact post:
"Sales in relation to profit.
You can't have one without the other. "

In other words, you can't NOT have profit if you have sales in your mind, because you can't have one without the other right?

I have outline that you can have sales and ZERO profit. But you still fail to grasp that after giving you a few days to sleep on it. I can give you a few more if you would like.

You keep contradicting yourself to try and save face.

First you stated Sales = Best Product.

Then I highlighted that the HP Stream is the highest selling laptop, does that make it the best?

You then said sales in relation to profit.

So does that make Toyota cars the best? They sell the most and Toyota makes the most profit. So that fits your definition of BEST product.

But you don't agree that Toyota is the best cars on the road although it fits your description of BEST.

So are you going to change the definition of best product once more?

As per usual you are going to avoid responding to the Toyota part because you can't come up with a rebuttal.

Your right, to hell with the principles of economics , blaze 4g knows better.

No Toyota does not make the most profit in relation to revenue. Your wrong about that as well.

I honestly can't take you seriously after you tried to compare smartphones to hamburgers, I mentioned it to some of my colleagues in passing, and well, let's just say we laughed quite a bit at your expense.

 

[Blaze4G]

Your right, to hell with the principles of economics , blaze 4g knows better.

No Toyota does not make the most profit in relation to revenue. Your wrong about that as well.

I honestly can't take you seriously after you tried to compare smartphones to hamburgers, I mentioned it to some of my colleagues in passing, and well, let's just say we laughed quite a bit at your expense.

It's Toyota or VW group. Doesn't make a difference. It's even worse since VW cars are unreliable just like Audi which is a part of their group. But as usual you can't defend your argument so you try to divert. Keep entertaining me .

I guess you're friends of people that are like you...take that how you will .

Your reading comprehension leaves alot to be desired. No where did I compare the iPhone to a hamburger. I compared your definition of the best product to McDonald's. Your definition is just always changing so you can defend Apple. Cute.

 

[epicrayban]

The iPhone might eventually go back to all glass. I'm a huge fan of glass front and back phones. The iPhone 4/4S, Xperias, S6/S7... If true, bring it on.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/17/iphone-glass-casing-amoled-2017/

Apple to Release iPhone With Glass Casing and AMOLED Screen in 2017

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Glass looks nice before you touch it but is one more surface to break. I drop my iPhone quite a lot and with kids it gets knocked off the arm of the chair more times than I care to remember. I'm sure it'll look awesome as iPhones usually do, but personally I've preferred the aluminium backed phones.

 

[jamezr]

The iPhone might eventually go back to all glass. I'm a huge fan of glass front and back phones. The iPhone 4/4S, Xperias, S6/S7... If true, bring it on.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/17/iphone-glass-casing-amoled-2017/

Apple to Release iPhone With Glass Casing and AMOLED Screen in 2017

That render actually looks great! I love my glass Note 5 and Galaxy S7 edge. I have never had a problem with them breaking and I have dropped them a few times.
I think Apple might be going the glass route to add wireless charging. It looks like 2016 is going to be more of the same for the iPhone. Maybe get a few internal upgrades and better camera and lose the headphone jack. But the real upgrade might be in 2017.