is the Galaxy S 7 a real threat to iPhone ? how many here would switch ?

[FFR]

so why don't you use it if you have it? No need for the box...just opened to thread like i did mine....
smh.....

As I mentioned earlier, was a gift from a Samsung executive, I didn't pay for it and I have no use for it, I don't like the edge screen.
At any given time I have three separate lines I keep with me at all times, plus a couple of work phones I have forwarded to my personal numbers. iOS is much fluid when using multiple phones with multiple SIM cards from different countries, it keeps everything in sync from FaceTime calls to iMessage they show up on my primary phones regardless of which one I'm currently holding.

 

[jamezr]

As I mentioned earlier, was a gift from a Samsung executive, I didn't pay for it and I have no use for it, I don't like the edge screen.
At any given time I have three separate lines I keep with me at all times, plus a couple of work phones I have forwarded to my personal numbers. iOS is much fluid when using multiple phones with multiple SIM cards from different countries, it keeps everything in sync from FaceTime calls to iMessage they show up on my primary phones regardless of which one I'm currently holding.

That is just your experience. I use multiple phones daily , weekly as my daily driver. Switching from iPhone to S7 to Note 5 to Mate 8 is very seamless and painless. I just switch sims and go.....

 

[FFR]

That is just your experience. I use multiple phones daily , weekly as my daily driver. Switching from iPhone to S7 to Note 5 to Mate 8 is very seamless and painless. I just switch sims and go.....

With one SIM card, sure but not when you have multiple accounts in more than one country. Where each phone number needs to be active 24/7.

 

[jamezr]

With one SIM card, sure but not when you have multiple accounts in more than one country. Where each phone number needs to be active 24/7.

Why can't you just switch them? The phones are unlocked over there right? Seems like it would be a simple thing to switch sims with different numbers or carriers on unlocked phones. They might need a restart but then all is good. Keeping track of which line is in what phone might be a problem though.

 

[epicrayban]

Convoluted, by adding an extra layer of complexity. It's not that difficult to follow.

I think your the one being obtuse.
Your acting like Apple owes you customization, they don't. If you want customization get an another device simple as that.

This thread is about the s7 being a threat to the iPhone as it stands, it doesn't. Your personal wish list is your own.

Regarding your use of the straw man fallacy, how is that any different than your personal wish list.

Pot calling the kettle black.

A layer of complexity doesn't become convoluted if you don't need to or want to use it. Again, how is adding optional features making something convoluted? It's an option. Seriously, do you use EVERY single new feature Apple releases each year? Because if not, you surely should be able to understand adding optional features doesn't automatically mean it's convoluted nor will it necessarily alienate users. Doesn't 3D Touch also add an "extra layer of complexity?" Where is your grave concern for that feature alienating users?

And I don't understand your question about my wishlist being strawmans. What strawmans did I create with a wishlist? Did I create a wishlist and then argue against it or something? I really don't follow. Whereas you, you literally created straw mans in your response. I never mentioned once AMOLED or Edge panels; heck, I never even mentioned Samsung.

And I'm the one being obtuse? I even answered your question thoroughly about what iPhone I'm using currently. You've yet to properly answer my questions.

Anyway, I think this is becoming a lost cause...

 

[Blaze4G]

Yes because it's referred to as a loss.
Your arguments doesn't merit another response.

Unless your suggesting people buy a cup of coffee and spend two years paying it off, just like your hamburger reference.
Isn't a sale at a loss still a sale? Or you can't grasp that simple concept either?
It's not my fault your premise is faulty to begin with.

So why not mention my laptop reference? Are you scared?

You said sales ALWAYS= profits. Which is not true. Any sensible person knows this.

 

[TOMIMOT]

I've switched to android about 6-7 times and always somehow went back to iPhone within a few weeks. At this point I give up and just accept that the iphone is for me and no other android will trump it.

 

[jamezr]

I've switched to android about 6-7 times and always somehow went back to iPhone within a few weeks. At this point I give up and just accept that the iphone is for me and no other android will trump it.

But see you were willing to give something different a try. No harm in that. It turned out you prefer the iphone...can't go wrong it's a great phone. I respect that you didn't feel the need to trash something you tried and didn't like

 

[spinedoc77]

I can't believe I'm saying this but I'd buy the S7.

If they got rid of the logo in front, that is.

x1000

 

[I7guy]

I have posted info to support my position...repeatedly so


https://theintercept.com/2015/03/10/ispy-cia-campaign-steal-apples-secrets/

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/27/nsa-gchq-smartphone-app-angry-birds-personal-data
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What Android phone are you using?

A bunch of ifs. If a developer uses hacked xcode and if this and if that. This type of hacking research, by modified the compilers and assemblers has been around for along time. Sure there are a lot of theoretical ways to get into an iphone, in addition to social engineering.

 

[jamezr]

A bunch of ifs. If a developer uses hacked xcode and if this and if that. This type of hacking research, by modified the compilers and assemblers has been around for along time. Sure there are a lot of theoretical ways to get into an iphone, in addition to social engineering.

looks like a LOT more proof than you have provided for your position.....

 

[Radon87000]

Getting the directories is different than getting 100% of the information on a phone.
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Yep and you have no data to prove yours either, got it. Nobody knows what the spy organizations can and can't do. Only a bunch of opinion pieces.

They said they were optimistic of getting the files too.Now ,as hackers'why would they say that if they couldn't do it

 

[MRU]

I've switched to android about 6-7 times and always somehow went back to iPhone within a few weeks. At this point I give up and just accept that the iphone is for me and no other android will trump it.

As long as your happy - you should enjoy.

 

[I7guy]

looks like a LOT more proof than you have provided for your position.....

That's proof?

They said they were optimistic of getting the files too.Now ,as hackers'why would they say that if they couldn't do it

I do love optimism.

 

[Truefan31]

so you think they can improve the antenna lines? Wouldn't it be great if the IP7 had no antenna lines? Wouldn't a sheer slab of aluminum look better without the antenna line breaks?

Cellebrite is not going to say everything they can do publicly. But they and all entities like the NSA do not have to use brute force attacks to gain access to data on any phone. They do not have to crack the Secure Enclave. They have other ways of getting your PINs and passwords and any data they want from any phone. Any phone regardless whether it is Android or IOS...they can get your data. The whole FBI legal suit was just a ploy to set precedent with Apple. Apple fought back and took the high road. Good for Apple!
Do you really think these super high tech security companies publicise all of their capabilities to the media?

Honestly jamezr I don't give much thought to antenna lines. It's not a dealbreaker to me. If it is to you or others that's ok too. I use cases on mine because of my work so it's even more of a non issue to me. Can they improve it, like make it less noticeable? I'm sure they can. They probably will. My issue is with people saying they need to for the sake of the company, when there's clear evidence and data showing there's still customers buying these phones. I mean you supposedly have an iPhone too so I guess there's enough of an appeal for u to spend $1000 on a phone right?

Does that make me an apologist, a Samsung/android hater to you? Or to everyone in here since you claim to speak for everyone in here?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Honestly jamezr I don't give much thought to antenna lines. It's not a dealbreaker to me. If it is to you or others that's ok too. I use cases on mine because of my work so it's even more of a non issue to me. Can they improve it, like make it less noticeable? I'm sure they can. They probably will. My issue is with people saying they need to for the sake of the company, when there's clear evidence and data showing there's still customers buying these phones.

I'm sure the antenna lines will disappear too in future, but I have always been on the side of the fence that quite likes them. I like the way they split the back of the device up. The leaked rumour pics of the iPhone 7 show a plain back, and to me I think the antenna lines look much better.

People also have to realise that probably 95% of those buying iPhones probably don't know they are antenna lines. They are simply a design quirk and a popular one at that.

P.S Don't bite and be bullied into where you should post.

 

[Truefan31]

I'm sure the antenna lines will disappear too in future, but I have always been on the side of the fence that quite likes them. I like the way they split the back of the device up. The leaked rumour pics of the iPhone 7 show a plain back, and to me I think the antenna lines look much better.

People also have to realise that probably 95% of those buying iPhones probably don't know they are antenna lines. They are simply a design quirk and a popular one at that.

P.S Don't bite and be bullied into where you should post.

See that's the point I'm trying to make. I really have no opinion on the antenna lines, you like them yet there's others who don't. That's all fine. My issue is that there's those who say Apple NEEDS to change or step it up in some manner as if nobody will buy them which will doom the company. There's change every year for every device. Some might not like the pace of that change based on their wishlists but there's data showing what Apple is doing is working successfully.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

See that's the point I'm trying to make. I really have no opinion on the antenna lines, you like them yet there's others who don't. That's all fine. My issue is that there's those who say Apple NEEDS to change or step it up in some manner as if nobody will buy them which will doom the company. There's change every year for every device. Some might not like the pace of that change based on their wishlists but there's data showing what Apple is doing is working successfully.

I agree, I don't think the next iPhone needs to necessarily have hidden antenna lines to demonstrate progressive design. If it does have them it's not going to make any difference to its popularity at all. As long as it's a nice looking phone and iOS doesn't take a rapid turn for the worst, I'm sure it'll remain a market leader.

Personally I think Apple have had a fire put up them by Samsung with the latest S7. But I think they'll deliver a quality product based on that. There's no better way to be motivated than by a fierce competitor giving you a solid push.

 

[Truefan31]

Please stay on point to the topic we're discussing. You said, if Apple adds the things I want from my wishlist, it would alienate the current iPhone user base. I laid out some of my wishes to allow you to directly elaborate and explain.

So far, you've made a rather unconvincing argument for waterproofing, and you've just lumped all the software wishes under "convoluted" with little to no explanation. Then you added some of your own strawmans (AMOLED or Edge panels; none of those were on my list) and made arguments against those things. How fun.

When are you going to explain how the rest of my actual wish list will alienate users?
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Again, elaborate. How will adding the ability to customize Control Center alienate users? It's convoluted? How is something convoluted when it doesn't have to be used? Again, why can't your average iPhone user just continue using their brand new iPhone out of the box as is with whatever is in Control Center by default? Why can't they just continue using it just like that with no problem? How is the option to customize it "convoluted" when you don't need to even apply the feature if you don't want to?

I'm beginning to think you're just being obtuse. If you refuse to actually answer the question, then I guess there's not much else I can do.

@Truefan31, Remember your point about having honest discussions? Want to help me out here?

Sorry I'm late

I read your list. It's a pretty insightful list imo. I actually think in time most of those things will be implemented. Or they may not be ever. It's my opinion though that most people, the mass consumers, don't care as much about it as you and some others do. They value different things. I think they want nice hardware, streamlined software, easy seamless integration between devices, quality apps, and dependable, courteous after sales support and service. I think that service and support is a bedrock of how and why Apple continues to succeed where others are not to the same degree. Those stores are packed like u said for a reason. People like service. Most people don't run to forums and read troubleshooting threads, they'd rather be shown by a nice employee who at least tried to act like they care. If their phone breaks, they like knowing they can get another same day replacement. Or overnighted if they're too far from a store. It's not that consumers are dumb or brainwashed either, they just value different things. I'm sure there's customers who agree with you, just as sure as there's those who are perfectly happy with their iPhones.

I don't think a lot of people understand how important service is and how hard it is to provide it. You factor in servicing basically every product Apple makes, phones, laptops, desktops, tablets, accessories, etc. , troubleshooting the software on top of that, providing care for older devices on top of that, staffing, and supply chain for materials and components. I think Apple factors it all in when refreshing products. It's gotta be efficient, from the release to the sale to the after sale support.

I'm aware of others trying to do the same. But I honestly feel like they're far behind. And it can't be easy or else everyone would be successful at it like Apple right now.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

Having had a Samsung Galaxy S2 in the past, for me its no threat and i refuse to buy a Samsung phone ever again, after my S2 experience, i had several close friends who also had one and wanted to throw the S2 against a wall after 18 months of ownership so i know my experience was not isolated.

Dire call quality, slightest bit of wind and you could not be heard.
Battery that would from nowhere plummet extremely rapidly.
Phone would get extremely hot
Lots of random lockup and freezes.

To name but of the few games we had to play with those junkie phones. They seemed to be ok for the first year with all of us then it just starts going down hill.

That sounds like my experience with S3 – it bricked itself spontaneously, was unable to play music without either randomly stopping or skipping, terrible battery, freezes, SD card disconnecting randomly... I promised myself not to buy Scheissung ever again. My brother LOVES the S7 though, and it has 4 GB RAM, SD slot and is water/dustproof which is one of my biggest needs when choosing a smartphone. I can get a new one in August, so I'm going to use my brother as guinea pig for four months.

You guys shouldn't compare those old phones to how things are now. All Android phones were crappy back then. (Of course the first iPhone wasn't too swift either). Android devices are light years ahead of where they once were and the S7 is a truly amazing device worthy of consideration. I really feel it is the best phone on the market right now, and probably will be until next year.

 

[navaira]

You guys shouldn't compare those old phones to how things are now.

I know But S3 had amazing reviews and then I found out they must have been paid for. I'm using my brother as a guinea pig, he got the S7 and he says he can sell it to me in a few months so he can get the edge.

Also your nickname couldn't fit better.

 

[jamezr]

That's proof?

lol that's all you got? Typical of you to not participate in the discussion when you are proven wrong. I have provided facts and discovery. You just have one liners to come back with. I didn't think you understood the whole time. Now that one liner is proof.
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Honestly jamezr I don't give much thought to antenna lines. It's not a dealbreaker to me. If it is to you or others that's ok too. I use cases on mine because of my work so it's even more of a non issue to me. Can they improve it, like make it less noticeable? I'm sure they can. They probably will. My issue is with people saying they need to for the sake of the company, when there's clear evidence and data showing there's still customers buying these phones. I mean you supposedly have an iPhone too so I guess there's enough of an appeal for u to spend $1000 on a phone right?

Does that make me an apologist, a Samsung/android hater to you? Or to everyone in here since you claim to speak for everyone in here?

So now you change your stance. Before you were indignant about people even discussing antenna lines. Now you don't care. No one here said Apple needed to remove the antenna lines for the sake of the company. Thats just shows how personal you take people wanting Apple to improve something. You jump to defend it.

yes...I do have an iphone along with a bunch of other phones. That doesn't mean i don't want to see improvements on the iphone. When anyone here lists any kind of improvement they would like to see on an iphone......some people take it personal and jump to defend Apple like it was under attack or something.
Sorry truefan31 but you are the one that has said you don't like Android and really (hate) don't like Samsung. Those are your words you have said multiple times.

 

[Truefan31]

lol that's all you got? Typical of you to not participate in the discussion when you are proven wrong. I have provided facts and discovery. You just have one liners to come back with. I didn't think you understood the whole time. Now that one liner is proof.
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So now you change your stance. Before you were indignant about people even discussing antenna lines. Now you don't care. No one here said Apple needed to remove the antenna lines for the sake of the company. Thats just shows how personal you take people wanting Apple to improve something. You jump to defend it.

yes...I do have an iphone along with a bunch of other phones. That doesn't mean i don't want to see improvements on the iphone. When anyone here lists any kind of improvement they would like to see on an iphone......some people take it personal and jump to defend Apple like it was under attack or something.
Sorry truefan31 but you are the one that has said you don't like Android and really (hate) don't like Samsung. Those are your words you have said multiple times.

I've said people can discuss changes and what people want to see as improvements to them. I personally don't care about the lines. If you do or anyone else, so be it. I don't think anyone is wrong. Improvements typically come with any refresh of a device. If you like to see certain improvements, great. But that doesn't mean that if Apple isn't doing it to your liking, or at the speed you'd like to see, that suddenly the company itself is hurting and NEEDS to do anything. It looks like Apple is competing well by what I think matters in the end. If you disagree, cool.

Again I don't think I've said I hated either Samsung or android. I think I've said I don't like how much power Samsung has in Korea, but hate is a strong word. I don't hate much, especially something like a phone.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I think this thread is enough to make me hate iOS, Android and any other OS that causes grown men to argue like the football terraces of the 1980's lol.

 

[I7guy]

lol that's all you got? Typical of you to not participate in the discussion when you are proven wrong. I have provided facts and discovery. You just have one liners to come back with. I didn't think you understood the whole time. Now that one liner is proof.
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So now you change your stance. Before you were indignant about people even discussing antenna lines. Now you don't care. No one here said Apple needed to remove the antenna lines for the sake of the company. Thats just shows how personal you take people wanting Apple to improve something. You jump to defend it.

yes...I do have an iphone along with a bunch of other phones. That doesn't mean i don't want to see improvements on the iphone. When anyone here lists any kind of improvement they would like to see on an iphone......some people take it personal and jump to defend Apple like it was under attack or something.
Sorry truefan31 but you are the one that has said you don't like Android and really (hate) don't like Samsung. Those are your words you have said multiple times.

Let's not get personal and keep it to the subject matter. For now I'll ignore the personal stuff and contribute it to internet chest thumping.

You only have a bunch of opinion pieces that say if this happens and if that happens than something else may happen. No doubt these phones can be gotten into. And the method that is used varies by model. And cellebrite has some neat tricks with limitations. But the ability to remotely hack these phones by using poisoned compilers as easily as drinking a glass of water is a pipe dream in someones mind.