is the Galaxy S 7 a real threat to iPhone ? how many here would switch ?

[epicrayban]

Anyway.....you seem to insinuate that others here are trying to convince you to switch to Android. I don't think anyone has said that.

It should be evident to people who frequent this forum that when a discussion about features or the lack thereof occurs, no one is trying to convince someone else of switching. Who cares, really? It's simply a discussion about what OS-es can and cannot do, and at this point in time, there is still a lot iOS can't do. Too much, I argue, especially for the world's most advanced mobile OS.

I call out stock Android for all the silly things it can't do either. It's why I don't use Nexus devices.

Does that mean someone who doesn't need all those features can't enjoy and be happy with either iOS or stock Android? Of course not. But does that mean those features shouldn't exist for those who desire them? Absolutely not. Why shouldn't everyone be able to be happy using an iPhone? And what's great is, adding features doesn't necessarily mean losing old ones that people are already happy with. If you're happy, for example, charging your device via a cable, calling for wireless charging doesn't mean you lose that ability to continue using a cable.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I'm in Apple's house, I knew the house rules, and they worked for me and I have no need, desire, or inclination to use my device in any other way because the way iOS runs is perfect for me.

And I said multiple times already, that's perfectly okay. But in Apple's house you still got to obey, NO CHOICE!!! Even if that's what you like.

 

[MrWillie]

And I said multiple times already, that's perfectly okay. But in Apple's house you still got to obey, NO CHOICE!!! Even if that's what you like.

What the hell are you talking about ? Would you please give an example ???

 

[Qbnkelt]

And I said multiple times already, that's perfectly okay. But in Apple's house you still got to obey, NO CHOICE!!! Even if that's what you like.

I CHOSE to knock on the door. I could have CHOSEN to go elsewhere.

If you claim that it's OK, why continue to harp on this so called absence of choice? I CHOSE to order, I CHOSE to open my wallet, I CHOSE to give my card number, I CHOSE to restore from previous backup, and I CHOOSE to use it.

Where I see it, I've exercised my choice all along. I've seen alternatives and I EXERCISED MY CHOICE to use the Apple ecosystem.

In point of fact, your usage of words like "obey" and "no choice" places your value judgement on everyone. It is a negative association to what I have C H O S E N to do because I P R E F E R the Apple way.

You choose what you want. But don't place a value judgement on *MY* choice.

THAT is what I find objectionable. Use what you want. I care not one single iota what you choose. I place no value judgement on it except to say it's not mine. I don't denigrate your choice. Don't denigrate mine.

 

[epicrayban]

And I said multiple times already, that's perfectly okay. But in Apple's house you still got to obey, NO CHOICE!!! Even if that's what you like.

And even if one was perfectly happy with iOS and unaffected by the limitations being pointed out, why would you argue (some vehemently) against anyone who wants iOS to do more? We want more choice, not less; your way of doing things on iOS will likely go unaffected even if Apple were to open iOS up and add more customizations and features.

 

[Qbnkelt]

And even if one was perfectly happy with iOS and unaffected by the limitations being pointed out, why would you argue (some vehemently) against anyone who wants iOS to do more? We want more choice, not less; your way of doing things on iOS will likely go unaffected even if Apple were to open iOS up and add more customizations and features.

Let's go back, shall we?

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You are the perfect consumer for Apple. They trap you into the ecosystem and it costs you a lot of money to get out. I really wish Apple would open up the software to Android.
Airplay, iMessage and Facetime would be my top 3 apps for sure!

It's not an entrapment. It's a choice.
I like to have my music and movies link across devices. No I don't want to have to drag and drop music or films. (And no, the Android apps that link to my iTunes libraries to transfer to my Samsung were not dependable.) I like how my photos are available across my devices. I don't have the same with a Samsung phone because I don't buy Samsung tablets. And more than anything I like the dependability of my Apple products. I like how I can buy a new iPhone and restore from backup and everything is on my new phone with no drama.
With as much as I like my Apple devices and iOS, why would I switch? I choose not to do so.
There was a time when I had tons of time to tinker. Not so much now. Nor do I have the desire to spend time dragging, dropping, cutting, pasting....no more.
I could switch. For what reason? What would a gain? To complicate my life with something that doesn't work as well for me as my current choice? To gain bragging rights to one of higher specs on a product that will, based on past history with the company, drag to a mess after the first major upgrade?
It's not entrapment. It's a choice on what works best for me. And I'm not unusual. If something is compelling enough people will switch as a choice. I won't be one because my current choice works best for me, sans traps.

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What I objected to was the usage of the word "entrapment" to describe iOS. At no point have I said that I don't want added features. I have said emphatically that I don't feel trapped, that I have made a choice to use iOS. That it works for me. I don't feel limited, I have no complaints with how I use my phone.

Show me where I've said I'm against added features. Go ahead.

***EDIT: the only feature I detest is an LED light. I would hate one. But not enough to move away from an iPhone.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

And even if one was perfectly happy with iOS and unaffected by the limitations being pointed out, why would you argue (some vehemently) against anyone who wants iOS to do more? We want more choice, not less; your way of doing things on iOS will likely go unaffected even if Apple were to open iOS up and add more customizations and features.

Exactly!!! That's what I don't understand.

 

[I7guy]

And even if one was perfectly happy with iOS and unaffected by the limitations being pointed out, why would you argue (some vehemently) against anyone who wants iOS to do more? We want more choice, not less; your way of doing things on iOS will likely go unaffected even if Apple were to open iOS up and add more customizations and features.

Can you point out where it has been said that iOS shouldn't have updated functionality?

 

[epicrayban]

Exactly!!! That's what I don't understand.

Apparently it's also difficult for some to understand what "no choice" means, too, just because they prefer the one choice that's available. Semantics or just stupidity? I don't know.

 

[jamezr]

What the hell are you talking about ? Would you please give an example ???

I want to use Google Maps as my default for navigation. IOS won't let me. I have no choice but to use the built in Apple Maps as my default. That is just one example.

 

[Qbnkelt]

Apparently it's also difficult for some to understand what "no choice" means, too, just because they prefer the one choice that's available. Semantics or just stupidity? I don't know.

Really??? Passive aggressive at its best, eh? Semantics or stupidity?

THIS kind of post and behaviour is what I find objectionable. Typical.

@jamezr...this is where things go badly. Instead of discussing an issue we go to the passive aggresssive looking for a reaction language.

 

[C DM]

I want to use Google Maps as my default for navigation. IOS won't let me. I have no choice but to use the built in Apple Maps as my default. That is just one example.

Does that the fact that it's not the default really impact you being able to use Google Maps as your main app for navigation?

 

[jamezr]

Does that the fact that it's not the default really impact you being able to use Google Maps as your main app for navigation?

Yes it does. Ask siri to navigate anywhere and it will default to the default. Click on a navigation link in a email or an address in a text and it will use the default. Do search for a business then click on the link. It will use the default everytime . There is no choice in the matter.

 

[jamezr]

Really??? Passive aggressive at its best, eh? Semantics or stupidity?

THIS kind of post and behaviour is what I find objectionable. Typical.

@jamezr...this is where things go badly. Instead of discussing an issue we go to the passive aggresssive looking for a reaction language.

But I was just replying to another poster explaining choice. Then to explain I gave an actual use case. There are a lot more than the one I illustrated.

 

[Qbnkelt]

But I was just replying to another poster explaining choice. Then to explain I gave an actual use case. There are a lot more than the one I illustrated.

I'm referring to the "semantics or just stupidity" comment.

is that really necessary? all kumbayah talk ends when someone starts with the passive aggressive jabs.

best if I just leave, i see where this is going

 

[jamezr]

I'm referring to the "semantics or just stupidity" comment.

is that really necessary? all kumbayah talk ends when someone starts with the passive aggressive jabs.

best if I just leave, i see where this is going

Since you replied to me....can you show me where I did any of that? I thought I was pretty neutral just pointing out the facts.

 

[Surf Donkey]

Don't see why it is so hard to see that once you choose iOS your choices within the ecosystem are quite limited compared to Android. Surprised there can even be any debate there.

 

[C DM]

Yes it does. Ask siri to navigate anywhere and it will default to the default. Click on a navigation link in a email or an address in a text and it will use the default. Do search for a business then click on the link. It will use the default everytime . There is no choice in the matter.

Sure, but it's simple to click on a link and copy it and then paste it into Google Maps, for example. Yes, it's not as simple as just clicking on it of course, but it's also nothing drastic by any means. And if you are using apps like Chrome or Gmail for browsing or email then those could already be set up to work with Google Maps directly as I recall. Siri is potentially a bit more work, although I believe it can still be used to open Google Maps and voice control there that could be used to navigate to something.

So, yes, it's definitely not as simple and therefore somewhat less convenient, but not to the degree that it really has that much of a meaningful impact. That said, of course it would be better if defaults could be set.

 

[gotluck]

Setting Google maps as default is a good example

I would also like Google photos (or any non iCloud backup) to be able to backup photos in the background like iCloud can. As it stands you have to babysit it by opening the app occasionally or you have to leave it in the foreground with the screen on if you have large videos/ lots of pics in the queue

 

[mi7chy]

Sure, but it's simple to click on a link and copy it and then paste it into Google Maps, for example.

That's your suggestion for hands free while driving? Wouldn't want to see car accidents statistics for iPhone users.

Here's Steve Jobs demonstrating using Google Maps on iPhone while driving.

 

[epicrayban]

Don't see why it is so hard to see that once you choose iOS your choices within the ecosystem are quite limited compared to Android. Surprised there can even be any debate there.

Exactly this.

And inevitably, you get users saying things like: "I happen to prefer it that one way so you're wrong to say there's no choice."

Again, semantics or stupidity? I don't know.

 

[gotluck]

I think a lot of it is semantics. We all have a choice, but some choices limit your next choices, or at least the capabilities of those next choices down the road

 

[tbayrgs]

Sure, but it's simple to click on a link and copy it and then paste it into Google Maps, for example. Yes, it's not as simple as just clicking on it of course, but it's also nothing drastic by any means. And if you are using apps like Chrome or Gmail for browsing or email then those could already be set up to work with Google Maps directly as I recall. Siri is potentially a bit more work, although I believe it can still be used to open Google Maps and voice control there that could be used to navigate to something.

So, yes, it's definitely not as simple and therefore somewhat less convenient, but not to the degree that it really has that much of a meaningful impact. That said, of course it would be better if defaults could be set.

Can't really disagree with jamezr on this point. Yes, it's far improved from the past (many of the apps I use let me designate what app opens with a specific action, i.e. Outlook) but nothing is simpler than being able to set a default action. This change alone would be incredibly significant toward's opening up the iOS user experience.

 

[jamezr]

Sure, but it's simple to click on a link and copy it and then paste it into Google Maps, for example. Yes, it's not as simple as just clicking on it of course, but it's also nothing drastic by any means. And if you are using apps like Chrome or Gmail for browsing or email then those could already be set up to work with Google Maps directly as I recall. Siri is potentially a bit more work, although I believe it can still be used to open Google Maps and voice control there that could be used to navigate to something.

So, yes, it's definitely not as simple and therefore somewhat less convenient, but not to the degree that it really has that much of a meaningful impact. That said, of course it would be better if defaults could be set.

Sure you can use any workaround but that is not the point and that wasn't what my post that you replied to was about either.
Also I use Siri.......no workaround for that one. I lose that functionality or just use the default apps if I want to use Siri.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

That's your suggestion for hands free while driving? Wouldn't want to see car accidents statistics for iPhone users.

Here's Steve Jobs demonstrating using Google Maps on iPhone while driving.

LMAO!!!!