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Besides the 'it's bad' posts being here because you always get more negative posts from people that have problems than from the millions (whatever) that aren't having problems, the iPad is a new sort of device.

And, new sort of devices (I hate the word paradigm, but it is a new one, or it's the first usable one, which may be the same thing...) need to have people USE them. Think of DVRs. think of other technical devices that you can't explain to people. They have to EXPERIENCE them.

Unless you have the sort of mind that can imagine how life can change when a large change is inserted (perhaps a Sci-Fi author/reader? :) ), the average person doesn't get it until they are forced (by having one in the neighborhood (in the household, friend has one, etc.) to experience it.

I can't convince friends whose life (they have small kids) I know would be changed by getting a $5/month DVR... same for the iPad.

Instant on, usable screen for e-reading, faster processor, screen large enough to use as a remote terminal (at work). I have two, and I can't wait to see what's next

(And the stock price has, of course, paid for them, anyway... :D :D)
 
For heavy work, my desktop is way better than that net book. For many mobile tasks, the ipad is better than that net book because of the instant on (without having to wait 34 seconds), and the lighter weight/form factor.

desktop_computer_at_starbucks.jpg

is this what you want to do? bring your desktop to starbucks?

my netbook currently comes out of standby in exactly 1 second and goes to sleep when i close the lid (takes about 2-3 with SSD), the ipad also comes out of standby in the same time. the ipad still requires ~30 seconds to boot from power off

I have great reverence for my iPad, but one USB port would make it more convenient to upload pictures w/o needing an extra cost adapter or to upload/download documents to a memory stick. At the very least it would have been a nice touch if Apple included the adapter in the 32 and 64GB models.

i would say a card reader would also be useful, someone else mentioned they copied pictures to the ipad, how many steps did that take? also how do you copy anything without a file browser? (im not talking thru itunes, what if you are in the middle of the street and someone says copy the pictures off my SD card from my camera)

When they talk about the things a netbook can do that an iPad can't, they forget that most people (millions of them) actually need very little functionality in their day to day computing. They talk about features being there just in case they are needed. There are far more computer users out there that only check email, look at pictures, and browse the web than those that need USB ports, replaceable batteries, or the ability to run Linux. :rolleyes:

I have yet to talk to anyone who has bought the iPad that was disappointed or underwhelmed. Quite the contrary, everyone I know who bought it constantly raves about it.
That was a great post.

you sound like nobody has purchased a netbook or that everyone hates theirs here are some reviews on a netbook

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220504

almost all of them are 5/5 eggs and 3% are unhappy (probably due to DOA shipments)
 
This happens to me so frequently that it is always a hugh input into all my tech purchases. :p

just an example, ive needed the SDHC slot to install the OS once cuz i couldnt find a USB stick handy.

if SD/multi Slots were so useless then why dont we just get rid of flash memory in removable form factors all together? throw out your usb sticks too, obviously you dont need those

try going without the following for 1 year

usb sticks
usb external HDD's
all types of removable flash media (SDHC, etc)

that means your cameras wont work either unless it has built in memory (a whole 32MB!)
 
For those of you saying the OP is trolling read the other posts by them. If they were trolling for anything it was for those of us that like it to speak up.

For me this has replace 3 other devices I traveled with. And has made my bag lighter. For work it is great. The screen is a perfect size to talk with a client and show them video/pictures/documents that we are discussing. It will not replace my laptop for the things I need to do in CAD, Photoshop, Illustrator, or video editing. But it will take the the end result of each and is a great tool for accessing what is needed quickly. I am much closer to the paperless enviroment I would like to work in.

I have the wifi version and a PHS300 router to use the USB mobile broadband stick for my computer with. Which makes a wifi hotspot for my iPad, computer, and devices of my coworkers.

So far any naysayers pretty much shut up once I pull the iPad out and show them what it can do for me. But I will say it isn't for every one.

For the people going on about price. No it isn't cheap but it is way less than what was predicted. There are 6 choices to try to hit a good price point for as many as they can. If you feel it cost too much ( something we always hear about apple products no matter the price) then you should not buy it. I feel I have more than got my moneys worth. But I also bought the first gen iPod and was extremely happy with it and felt I got my moneys worth at the time.
 
For me this has replace 3 other devices I traveled with. And has made my bag lighter. For work it is great. The screen is a perfect size to talk with a client and show them video/pictures/documents that we are discussing. It will not replace my laptop for the things I need to do in CAD, Photoshop, Illustrator, or video editing. But it will take the the end result of each and is a great tool for accessing what is needed quickly. I am much closer to the paperless enviroment I would like to work in.
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what devices did it replace?
 
just an example, ive needed the SDHC slot to install the OS once cuz i couldnt find a USB stick handy.

if SD/multi Slots were so useless then why dont we just get rid of flash memory in removable form factors all together? throw out your usb sticks too, obviously you dont need those

try going without the following for 1 year

usb sticks
usb external HDD's
all types of removable flash media (SDHC, etc)

that means your cameras wont work either unless it has built in memory (a whole 32MB!)

I think a better question is to ask what do YOU use your mobile device for?

Most people are content spending their time consuming media which is handled perfectly fine by iPad.

You mentioned "you need SDHC to install the OS"... Yes, I did install Kubuntu on my netbook but realistically how many people are like us and bother to do install Linux let alone use it.

The main reason why I would need external drive is to store my videos (as it has grown out of control recently ;) ) but Air Video and Netflix app took over the task really well by streaming my videos from my home desktop computer over to my iPad. I used to put some movies on my Netbook but I grew tired of replacing them every couple days because each movies are like 5GB in size and no I am not carrying my Terabyte HDD around.

You also mentioned that you want to copy your pictures "on the street"... I don't know about you but I personally have 2x 4GB SDHC in my camera bag right next to my lenses and I have yet to have someone says "I need them right here right now!" when I'm shooting on the street... In fact when I am concentrating and someone is bugging me to give them my pictures, I would probably give them a lecture instead.
 
what devices did it replace?

An Archos 7, DS lite, my work iPod (only has work media on it). It also has replaced the binder with paper that I carry for each project not a small thing.

Still to be determined is if it will replace my kindle.
 
Bit of a longish post but I think I need to list these devices to make my point.

Preface, I have a lot of gadgets, I'm not proud. It is what it is.

Two months ago, I had:

MacBook aluminum 2.4GHz
Kindle 2
Apple TV
Nexus One
HP EliteBook laptop (issued by my work)
Blackberry Curve second gen/AT&T (issued by my work)
PS3
Xbox 360

About a month ago, unrelated to the iPad, I bought:

HP desktop with i7 930 processor, 9gb of RAM, 2TB hard drive, blu-ray burner, HDMI out, etc, lots of bells and whistles. Windows 7

At this point, it's occurring to me that I have too many gadgets and computers to justify them all. There isn't time in the day to use them. I see value in each of those items, but at some point, it gets silly, and I'm at that point.

So getting the iPad is part of an overall rethinking of my personal technology. What I am conidering is:

- Sell the MacBook. The things I would have used it for are divided between iPad (mobile computing, lite uses) and desktop (power computing)

- Sell or give away the Apple TV. The desktop is now plugged to my 46" TV via HDMI, and while the interface isn't as nice, the features I can get using Boxee, Netflix and iTunes are largely duplicative of the Apple TV's features

- Sell or give away the Kindle. I haven't read a book on the iPad yet, so I'm not sure about this yet, but the idea is that if the iPad is almost as good for reading books, I don't need both

The result would be a total lineup of:

HP desktop
iPad
Nexus One
PS3
Xbox 360
HP EliteBook
Blackberry

Which is still a lot, but the last two items are mostly just for work, and I don't spend a lot of time with the game consoles lately. So the first three are what I'd be mostly using in free time.

An iPad can't be your sole computing device unless your needs are very modest, but if you have a desktop, I think in many cases, the iPad can realistically replace your laptop. Not every case, but enough to be meaningful in the market.
 
Basically it boils down to this.

The iPad is great at what it does. I can pretty much do everything on it most 'non techie' people do everyday on their net book/laptop or desktop.

Its fairly safe to say that the majority of pc users are not gaming on sli setups. Are not debugging kernels and programming algorithms. Most are not video editing. Most are not running Photoshop or designing layouts in indesign.

Yes there are plenty of folks who do so and they have a work tool. This is not what the iPad is aimed at.

Most folks are watching movies, flicking through YouTube. Keeping connected with Facebook. Checking emails. Buying gifts and stuff online, buying holiday/plane tickets etc, Listening to their music, Writing the odd document or two, messing about with v.basic photo editing or drawing packages.

The iPad can do all that. It is for those things the iPad is targeting.

There is a big disconnect between specs of a machine and what people actually use the machine to do. I've seen many many folks walk into a store, be advised they should buy this machine as it has dual processor, DVD burners, lots of ram, 600 USB ports etc, oh and of course 'free virus protection for 6/12 months)...

However.. When you look at what most of these users end up actually doing with the hardware once purchased it often falls back into the same category as I highlighted above. So often the hardware specs are irrelevant because they are not using the full hardware regardless. But they were told this is standard spec requirements, this is what is needed in a computer in this day and age. These are the important things that we all should use to purchase a good computer or a bad computer. 6 USB ports has to be better than 2 doesn't it. Even if you never use them??

People are told to think inside the box. The iPad is outside the box.

I imported an iPad and nearly everyone I know who has seen it have realized it pretty much would do them. Yes there are sacrifices, having to buy dongles to plug their camera in etc.. But these are small sufferings compared to benefits.

When they realize they can finally surf safely and quickly. Not worry about boot up times and start up applications that are now slowing the computer to a crawl. Erroneous software and applications they don't need that insist on installing themselves. When they see they can checkI their emails without worrying an attachment is a virus, that they do not have to worry about installing drivers, and actually not worry about installing full stop or more importantly uninstalling procedures. How quickly it responds in a logical 'what you see is what you get' manner. How they don't have to be spending annual subscriptions on virus protection with the device and it wont slow down the computer thats super specced to a crawl.

Yes a netbook can be cheaper and 'technically better specced' but user end user experience and specs are not mutually inclusive.

After the ghz myth was bust open, the next big step is the specification myth. People will eventually realise that there is far more to actual usability than a spec sheet and a myriad of USB ports.

Yes the iPad won't be for everyone, yes there will be things a computer will be a better choice for. However I imagine there are more folks out there that the iPad would actually fit with than they realise themselves.

HP have realized they now have to think out the box. That specs belie user experience. The iPad if anything has highlighted tis disconnect. Hence HP taking the slight back to the drawing board. Hence the sudden investment of companies looking at Android.

The amount of folks I also know that are attending computer classes which boils down to simply learning 'the operating system' and basics like surfing and email, but are bogged down learning about installing, control panels, virus updates etc.. rather than using the software to email, to read, to listen to music, to simply keep in touch. These folks are not learning to be Photoshop experts, they want to feel confident to do basic most useful things, and the iPad could revolutionise that area. Because it does away with the nonsense, and let's people get on with the things they want to do very easily and in a logical common sense manner. With the iPad and the iPhone OS they learn how to do things in a simple painless way that does away with decades of 'windows thinking'....


Those that rile on the iPad the most, tend to be those that have never actually used one. It's quite silly really. Would you ask someone to review a book, movie or song without reading, seeing or listening to it?

This post is AWESOME! You put a lot of things in perspective for me, and you're totally right about the decades of 'windows thinking'; which is what I'm dealing with on a daily basis. It's interesting that you said that you pointed out a disconnect going on in what is needed vs what is used, because that's what people challenge me with...SSD drive vs Flash drive, the lack of security with cloud computing, etc. So, thank you so much for taking time out to post this, because you definitely addressed the things I was trying to say. :D

I'm going to still hang on to my Mac products, including my iPad, and just try and ignore the negativity from the windows fans...I guess I'll remain an Apple in the midst of Windows.
 
Just my opinion but I think a lot of people didn't understand what Apple was trying to do with the iPad product placement before release and they still don't comprehend a month after release. So many people are stuck in the desktop/laptop/netbook paradigm to the point that they are fundamentally blind to the possibility of a new category of device.

What no full OS? :eek:
No folders? :eek:
No USB? :eek:
No flash? :eek:
No pen? :eek:
No handwriting? :eek:

I don't limit this accusation to consumers either. The vast majority of Apple's competitors are still scratching their nuts and wondering what this whole tablet thing is all about. Most have zero vision and just continue to throw out slightly modified versions of their historical products only to watch them promptly fail again and again because they are essentially unusable in practice. None of them show anything like the vision and persistence that Apple demonstrates. It appears that at least one major competitor has figured it out and capitulated. I read an article on ZDNET Friday that talked about the HP acquisition of Palm. They seemed to infer that the HP Slate may never see the light of day (HP has chosen to save themselves the embarrassment) and HP will instead focus on a tablet that leverages the Palm OS in very Apple like way.

Anyway, I think consumer lack of vision and inability to comprehend what the iPad is and isn't intended to be created expectations among the dim bulbs out there that weren't realistic. Hence the disappointment. Let them wait for the Slate. :D Or they will eventually comprehend given enough time and enough competitors falling into line behind Apple. Meanwhile, we can enjoy the iPad for what it is and grab a Mac when we need something else.
 
Just my opinion but I think a lot of people didn't understand what Apple was trying to do with the iPad product placement before release and they still don't comprehend a month after release. So many people are stuck in the desktop/laptop/netbook paradigm to the point that they are fundamentally blind to the possibility of a new category of computing device.

What no full OS? :eek:
No folders? :eek:
No USB? :eek:
No flash? :eek:
No pen? :eek:
No handwriting? :eek:

I don't limit this accusation to consumers either. The vast majority of Apple's competitors are still scratching their nuts and wondering what this whole tablet thing is all about. Most have zero vision and just continue to throw out slightly modified versions of their historical products only to watch them promptly fail again and again. None of them show anything like the vision and persistence that Apple demonstrates. It appears that at least one major competitor has figured it out and capitulated. I read an article on ZDNET Friday that talked about the HP acquisition of Palm. They seemed to infer that the HP Slate may never see the light of day (HP has chosen to save themselves the embarrassment) and HP will instead focus on a tablet that leverages the Palm OS in very Apple like way.

Anyway, I think consumer lack of vision and inability to comprehend what the iPad is and isn't intended to be created expectations among the dim bulbs out there that weren't realistic. Hence the disappointment. let them wait for the Slate. :D

Many manufacturers are still stuck in 2006 where Mobile OSes are pretty terrible. I can't wait what Google Android/Chrome and HP-Palm WebOS tablets can do...

iPad and future Android/Chrome/WebOS tablets are what these devices supposed to be, not some "Mini" version of laptop with handwriting...
 
That is actually quite nice, just wish they would have a toned down version spec wise to get it smaller :). Who knows what I might get to replace my current MBP.


My smart alec response would be that is the iPad. :p

But I do know what you mean. Maybe you could email them and ask if they plan to do a version with the MBA at some point.
 
Just out of curiosity, did you copy them to the iPad using the camera connection kit or did you sync them over in iTunes?

When I take pictures off of my digicam or dslr, I pop the sd card in my MacBook and copy the files to a terabyte FireWire drive. Once they are there, I copy them to a network drive. Back up early back up often. Some of them get uploaded to either flickr, mobile me, picasa or r0k.org. If they get uploaded or emailed, I always downsize them so they are easier to upload and they don't overrun my online storage. For instance, I went taking photos a few weekends ago and racked up 760 Meg of photos in one afternoon so I've developed these habits for handling photos out of necessity. I used sync to get iPhoto events on my iPod touch but I don't bother with it on my iPad. It's kind of a shame because I have faces set up in iPhoto and if I would sync photos I could get some of them onto my iPad. The problem is that I have 75+ gig of photos and a 16 gig iPad. So I don't think I'll be using sync any time soon.
 
Sliced bread - no thanks!

Think sliced bread - then think best thing since.

Seriousle does the op even have an iPad?


Sliced bread - what is so good about awful food, packed in nasty plastic for the convenience of some common people?

Bread is best from a good bakery, freshly baked and stored either in linen or in paper. I don't expect people to bake their own, but sliced bread - that's just nasty.


Yeah, it's a big mistake, like 1 Million sold and counting, 10 Million more ordered into production, it's just the next biggest thing in computing:eek:
Move along, Troll elsewhere:mad:


You mix with unverified 'facts' with speculations. Rather than telling people to "move along", you could have ignored the thread altogether. Or move along yourself.
 
Yes, the WePad 32gb/3g version sounds very appealing ... though the devil is in the details. It says it's based on linux but can run Android apps, what does that mean? What's the pricing model for 3g service? What is battery life? Does Amazon have plans to release an Android app? If not, this device will not be a viable contender as a reader (though I'm sure you can load generic formats). But 1gb of RAM (vs 256MB) and some of the other features such as 1080p out via HDMI sound appealing if they get the UI right. The price sounds fair.

What will be fun is seeing how people who insist the iPad is a toy that would have been "laughed off the planet" had any other company released it react when a linux/Android competitor with overall similar features and mentality gets released for a similar price. We may see a lot of people suddenly decide that a touch UI device for $700-$800 is a good idea.
 
Sliced bread - what is so good about awful food, packed in nasty plastic for the convenience of some common people?

Bread is best from a good bakery, freshly baked and stored either in linen or in paper. I don't expect people to bake their own, but sliced bread - that's just nasty.

What's so good about sliced bread is that it eliminated a daily household chore that could be annoying and even unsanitary without meticulous cleaning habits. "The convenience of some common people" is what most successful technology improves. It's charming to buy a loaf of fresh-baked bread and slice it up, but 30-year-old moms packing lunch for their kids or husbands aren't trying to be charmed every day, they're trying to get that done so they can move on to the next thing.

I'm not sure this is a good analogy for the iPad, since it IS charming. But it's also (at least intended to be) easier and more convenient to use than other options.
 
My smart alec response would be that is the iPad. :p

But I do know what you mean. Maybe you could email them and ask if they plan to do a version with the MBA at some point.

Yeah, that would rock. My dream device would be an iPad with dual boot capabilities that could boot into OS X and run standard programs with some small drivers for touchscreen input (like a onscreen keyboard you can open easily and such, and clicking by touch and so on). With a specific folder where you can place files that can be accessed from the iPhone OS. Everything else would be the same, just that it is possible to run a few low intense programs you might need "on the go". Will most likely not happen since Apple want everything "too simple", but one can dream ;).
 
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