That you think your poll is actually meaningful only indicates that you're not a person to be taken seriously. That your take away from my post is that I "discount the displeasure" with the nMP only indicates you have a total lack of reading comprehension. I gave a sincere and thoughtful reply to ActionMango, who while we don't agree on everything, I think we'd probably agree on more things than not, and I generally respect his contributions here.
The feeling is more than mutual.
In all honesty, I anticipated that the person to reply would ignore the entire point of my post and focus in on that one word "most". What's so obvious is that you don't have a rational response to why you carry on this endless nonsense, so you focus on semantics and cherry picking arguments and "the poll". Personally, I don't care - I don't need the validation of a poll in order to feel good about the computer I use. I haven't voted and I haven't looked at the results.
In all honesty you are acting in a manner consistent with your professed disgust of the 'types' in this thread. You seem to me the last person that should be speaking about rationality, as if your displayed hypocrisy is consistent with that notion.
But just for sake of argument, let's say that out in the real world (the "real world" being not the forum where computer geeks hang out chatting about what washers to use when upgrading their MP 4,1 CPUs), the majority of "Creative and Pros" (which is clearly undefinable) really do think the Mac Pro is a failure. What then? What's the point of "winning" that debate? What have you accomplished other than another 20 pages of debating something that ultimately doesn't matter?
It's not a debate, and frankly has never been much of one. You don't win. You don't get a cookie. You accomplish in raising voices. In getting the press to pick up on the issue. And perhaps put some pressure on apple to do more/better in the future. With the FCPX brohahaa, it has Apple focusing more on building that up. Perhaps they always were going to anyway, but it certainly lit a fire under that issue. With any of the 'gate issues, it got those resolved faster or in the next iteration of the problem. With focus on DVD burning/DVideo instead of rip/burn/mix, it got the company back on focus.
If you think you can never influence a company and/or apple, that's your right of opinion, but others disagree. The hope is to put enough of a spotlight on the issue to get some traction. Although a fee articles sprouted up over this, probably not near enough to get it to that high a profile to get apple to feel the burn. But hey, at least I tried. I didn't just sit in forum being a critical 'nothing will change things' troll. And if it doesnt matter, and you're so above it. Why are you still here. You profess you dont like when the 'type' of poster hate just has an agenda to hate the nMP (because apparently there is never a legit reason to do so) infiltrates every other thread, yet here you are, doing the same thing to that 'type' when they finally did what you said, and found a thread of their own. Seems to me you protest too much.
I get it - sometimes it feels good to vent and share in the frustration with similar-minded folks, and that's cool for a thread like this - I appreciate it and not sure why you're bent out of shape about having it pointed out. I occasionally vent as well. And sometimes it's just a discussion for the sake of a discussion. We're just well past the point where it's acceptable to bring it up in every nMP thread.
No you dont get it. Sometimes voicing things, if enough people do so, can change things.
Instead of a meaningless poll, here's a genuine idea for you folks so unhappy with the nMP: start one of those internet petitions outlining what the next Mac Pro should be. Get even a 100,000 signatures - that might actually send a message to Apple.
You are such a relentlessly belittling and insulting sort aren't you. It's not meaningless. It may be scientifically inaccurate, but it does mean something when most the folks in a mac pro forum think the product is a failure. You find your meaning, and others will find theirs. Your opinion only counts more to you.
It isn't so much that we discount that some people aren't happy with the nMP, it is just that it feels as if sometimes that is ALL that we are getting in threads. As I have said previously, we get that there is a subset of Mac Pro owners that don't like the direction that Apple is going/has gone. The point has been made ( over and over and over again ), and is at the point where is in danger of overshadowing some of the vey good and valued assistance that is offered by those people. Hence why you are feeling that others are dismissive. You are now getting a "not this **** again" response, as has been done to death already.
If that's all people are saying in a Mac pro forum, that may be a sign. And fair enough, it's a free country. You put an opinion out there, not surprising you get other opinions in return, including, 'I'm sick of hearing this.' But what is fascinating to me is that people that claim 'im tired of this topic' would make a bee line for this topic, read everything in the thread, and continue to bemoan how it goes on. if you don't like it, get out of the thread. Because YOURE sick of it, doesnt mean everyone that is not sick of it should shut up. You dont like it, you're free to leave. Because you've seen and read about this topic doesnt mean everyone else has. The world does not revolve around those that are tired. You're tired, fine, go rest somewhere as others are not tired of this topic, clearly.
As Apple have shown previously it is Apples Way or the Highway, if you don't like Apples products, they don't meet your needs then there are alternatives available ( which they argued successfully to a Judge in the Pystar case ). If Apple really don't make products that people want then they won't sell, and Apple will stop making for that area, or start making products that will sell. ( with the cash reserves then doubt they will go under )
Well that is a fascinating opinion of how apple works. But apple has reacted to many uproars from it's users. Any of the 'gate issues. The feedback for losing focus on DVD/Video instead of rip/mix/burn. Small iphone screens need to get bigger. There are lots of times where they have reacted to feedback, so it's not just their way or the high way IMO. You can make a difference, people can make a difference, if they get their voices loud enough.
240 votes in a forum, 134 failure, 96 isn't a failure ( at time of posting ) isn't really a meaningful number, compared to the number of Mac Pro boxes out there. I know it isn't a big seller but would be happy to go on the record that Apple have sold more then that number of Mac Pro's, let along how many just to Creative/Professional Users. ( I own one and don't consider myself in those categories ) No doubt the results of this poll will end up on someones website "proving" that the nMP is a failure, and people talk about Apples BS dept.
To be honest from the forum traffic voicing dissatisfaction with the nMP then was surprised that was only 58.3% saying was a failure.
Well then consider yourself educated on the forum breakdown. And the poll is meaningful. It means something that a Mac Pro forum is mostly against the latest product. What that means is not something scientifically gaugeable, but so what, few polls are. Just as market research isnt scientifically accurate, yet companies frequently use it to gauge product direction. And although apple doesnt go by market research, they have reacted to negative feedback about their products in the past, with fixes/improvements from that feedback.
That was a nice post, and I'm also surprised to hear it's actually that close - but I think it's correlated with my theory that most folks who like the nMP have given up on participating in these discussions... it's a waste of time arguing with trolls.
However let's not indirectly give undeserved credibility to the poll by suggesting sample size is the issue.
The main issue from a "polling" standpoint is that MacRumors - across the board, but particularly this subforum - is not representative of Mac users or computer users in general. Anybody that knows the first thing about polling and statistics looks at who's participating in the poll. Even the very title of the thread is like catnip to a specific subset of forum regulars.
Ultimately it just leads back to my original point though. The nMP ship has already sailed, so taking a poll on whether people like the boat or not is pointless.
As opposed to your scientific OPINION theorizing that people dont respond and dont participate. What a joke.
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