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Is the new Mac Pro a failure?
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You aren't even trying to bring anything of worth to any thread except trying to get people banned.
Just get a life and move on.
you do understand the ads are targeted, right?
as in, for some reason or another, that ad was aimed at you.
really? ffs?
follow the trail.. why is this conversation happening? you see me chasing people around the internet telling someone they need to capitalize the first word of a sentence?
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and really.. i'm pretty damn close to just going away.
you guys ruin this place.
These are assertions of opinion. The points are very debatable. A 3.46GHz 12 core 5,1 is about the same speed as the 2.7GHz 6,1. http://barefeats.com/tube16.html
While I think both can support 128GB of ram, 5,1 can use video cards that not only support 4k better, but are faster as well. It also supports native support for larger SSDs at far faster speeds such as this SSD card putting out 5900MB/s. http://barefeats.com/hard210.html
I believe the only bullet point that may be valid is for FCPX which I think has video card acceleration only for the cards in the trashcan mac, so it has an artificial, yet very real, speed advantage there.
So, for all other points, IOS Development, InDesign, Photoshop, the cMP can be made significantly faster.
The thing i struggle with, is this all worth a macPro? Is it worth to spend 6000 euro on a machine to work with Adobe software, only because there are no options for a other Apple machine (the missing one between the iMac and the MacPro). It is an very expensive investment, only to stay with OSx and work with Adobe on this OS. Adobe software is the same on Windows platform, and can outperform because of the better hardware choices you can make over there.
I have to put in almost 3500 euro extra on the machine only... makes my brains spinning. I still need to invest also in a storage system because the MacPro havent much inside. Why would i invest in that? What are the benefits? Windows 10 has en excellent file structure, an system backup like time machine every hour, all kind of OSx tricks look-a-likes, and so on. This makes me drifting away. And i dont get it. Well, only that i think that Apple is focusing on mainstream now where the big pile of money is. U know, the iMacs for at home, with icloud working together in your eco system. This Pro department is with Apple because of the rich history. Not the future if they keep this course (my humble opinion)
So debate. Prove me wrong. Name the other market segments that are as big or bigger. Because if you can't, all you're doing is obscuring the facts in the hope that you won't have to change your own assertions and opinions.
Sure, and an old Chevy Express is as good as a new Range Rover Sport if you spend the same amount on the Chevy. But one them you just jump into and turn the key. Which is what the average business user wants and the majority of Mac Pros are sold to businesses.
For the Mac Pro's biggest market segments, it almost certainly is a better workstation design. Apple is a business and they are very unlikely to have given up on a profitable market segment. Which means those of us who love sticking bits in our cMPs were probably more trouble than we were worth.
My guess would be, especially looking at the 50 cMP problems for every nMP problem here on MacRumors, that we were costing Apple money.
Oh, do tell. Aside from space, weight, and slightly quieter operation I see no advantage to the nMP form factor over that of the cMP. So do tell...how is it a better workstation?
Can you provide specifics? Was the cMP unreliable compared to the nMP? If not then what are you referring to when you say problems?
And which one is most expensive (by far) - the old cMP 12-core (can only be bought 2nd hand), or the new one? I'll give you a hint... It begins with "n" and ends with "ew".
And that tiny SSD you pay a gazillion for in the nMP can be had much cheaper, bigger and with the same speed for the cMP. And you can even upgrade it! And have more than one or two of them inside the machine!
I'm just waiting for a move by Apple at this point. Since there is no performance upgrade from 5.1 to 6.1 , maybe the next itteration of the nMP will succeed in performance and usage. And as long the 5.1s are kicking, we can wait and observe.
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Glad you agree its faster.
I disagree on the 'average' car. Let's talk Vans, because businesses use vans. The proverbial white business van is so common place, that it almost is the current day Tardis. No one sees it for its ubiquity.
Yet, unlike the nMP, it's designed with a lot of upgrade options. In the engine. Suspension. Interior driver/passenger comfort options. Also, numerous interior options for different types of hauling, and tool racks, etc. The variety is actually pretty overwhelming. I do agree with you, that for most, there is some middle model that no doubt occupies the peak of the bell curve, but nonetheless, the classic white business van and cMP do something professional not provided by the nMP, and that is, provides a bell curve of configuration options...
Well in my opinion, at least. As always, YMMV.
I have a data point.
My son is a senior editor at a major post house. They've always used cMPs. A couple of days ago I asked him whether they still were, or whether they had gone to the nMP.
His answer: "Yep, we use the trash can. It's been fine so far, much better than the tower. We use it with a matrox to play out to the monitor, fairly simple setup really."
I'm not sure how many rooms they have -- certainly 5 or 6, maybe more, and two other branches in the US, one in London and another one in Europe. They cut with Avid.
I was surprised, but there it is. I can't answer questions about how they handle storage. And I'm not going to push him for details, so please don't ask me to. If this thread is still alive the next time I go to NYC (June 2016), I'll ask to go to the shop and see for myself.
Note the casual response. When he was just starting (more than a decade ago) I was building Windows PCs for him. Then he went to Mac, but, unlike me, he never much cared about the technical side of things. If a machine got the job done, he was fine with it, whatever it was. And that's still true, although of course he wasn't the person making corporate decisions about going to the nMP.
My son is a senior editor at a major post house. They've always used cMPs. A couple of days ago I asked him whether they still were, or whether they had gone to the nMP.
His answer: "Yep, we use the trash can. It's been fine so far, much better than the tower. We use it with a matrox to play out to the monitor, fairly simple setup really."
I'm not sure how many rooms they have -- certainly 5 or 6, maybe more, and two other branches in the US, one in London and another one in Europe. They cut with Avid.
I was surprised, but there it is. I can't answer questions about how they handle storage. And I'm not going to push him for details, so please don't ask me to. If this thread is still alive the next time I go to NYC (June 2016), I'll ask to go to the shop and see for myself.
Note the casual response. When he was just starting (more than a decade ago) I was building Windows PCs for him. Then he went to Mac, but, unlike me, he never much cared about the technical side of things. If a machine got the job done, he was fine with it, whatever it was. And that's still true, although of course he wasn't the person making corporate decisions about going to the nMP.
What makes it better than the tower? Something related to the form factor. We're all aware it has updated technology which never found its way into the cMP.
I don't know, and I already said I wasn't going to ask.
I posted for one reason only, which was to note that a good-sized previous cMP house switched, and also to note that this surprised me. I had been thinking, and I'm sure I wasn't alone, that the nMP could be a great fit for a single user shop, or a small one, but not so much for a good-sized one.
One reason it surprised me was that in the NYC office at least, they had a big SAN, and I was thinking that the nMP didn't play well in that environment. As for whether they've changed their shared storage set up, I don't know.
Don't make me sorry I posted. I am absolutely not going to hit him with emails asking for details.
I posted for one reason only, which was to note that a good-sized previous cMP house switched, and also to note that this surprised me. I had been thinking, and I'm sure I wasn't alone, that the nMP could be a great fit for a single user shop, or a small one, but not so much for a good-sized one.
One reason it surprised me was that in the NYC office at least, they had a big SAN, and I was thinking that the nMP didn't play well in that environment. As for whether they've changed their shared storage set up, I don't know.
Don't make me sorry I posted. I am absolutely not going to hit him with emails asking for details.
Sorry, but how so? The Mac Pro's biggest market segment is professionals, I can't see any way in which this is a better design for them. People at work don't care if their computer is sleek & sexy looking, it's most likely sitting under a desk. The fact that none of the components can be upgraded is a markedly worse workstation design for professionals (or for anyone).
Thanks for relaying the anecdote. It does sound from what you (he) said though, that the company would have purchased whatever Mac Pro was available when refreshing their hardware. If someone else is footing the bill, and has no qualms with placing the nMP in the recycle bin after a new model comes out and purchasing a new one, then it could be an acceptable choice.
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Why are you surprised? The nMP is a nice system and it's suitable for a number of environments. The problem many people have with the nMP isn't so much the nMP itself but rather the lack of a cMP form factor.
Well, it looked like multiquote didn't work for me again ... post#3 is being responded to first.
Actually, a nice SAN is the Enterprise resource that makes the nMP's internal storage limitations effectively a non-issue.
However, what this observation also does is illustrate is what the 'target audience' is for the nMP configuration: not only a House who is using the appropriate "key strength" App (eg, FCPX), but who also has the other Enterprise resources (eg, "nice SAN") to make the nMP's configuration limitations a non-issue.
No problem...no need to AFAIC. About the only question I would even contemplate asking is the technical specs and cost of what SAN connection they chose to use, rather than to assume something like an $850 box for FibreChannel 8.
Actually, a nice SAN is the Enterprise resource that makes the nMP's internal storage limitations effectively a non-issue.
However, what this observation also does is illustrate is what the 'target audience' is for the nMP configuration: not only a House who is using the appropriate "key strength" App (eg, FCPX), but who also has the other Enterprise resources (eg, "nice SAN") to make the nMP's configuration limitations a non-issue.
No problem...no need to AFAIC. About the only question I would even contemplate asking is the technical specs and cost of what SAN connection they chose to use, rather than to assume something like an $850 box for FibreChannel 8.
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What I said wasn't applicable to everyone, because not everyone is part of the reasonably easily identified customer segment which I observed that such factors have been - - and likely to continue - - to be applicable.
Granted, it certainly looks like Apple's vision is to skate to where the future hockey puck will be where no one at all ever cracks open their hardware box, but the pragmatic question for that vision is .. just how many years from now does that really permeate through to some 'full market penetration' metric? Apple has a chronic habit of being a bit too far out in front of the ball ... which results in dropped balls - - usually with it being the Enterprise customer that gets burned.
What did the Romans ever do for us? I mean Apple. What did Apple ever do for us? Aside from space, weight and slightly quieter operation. And built in PCIe SSD. And faster processors. And dual graphics cards. And lower electricity bills. And USB 3. And Thunderbolt. And Bluetooth 4. And 4k monitor support out of the box. Aside from those, what did Apple ever do for us?
The cMP is very reliable and the nMP seems to be too. But look at all the requests for help on this section of the forums. The vast majority come from cMP users who have put something like an Nvidia card in their machine. Or want USB 3. Or are risking the life of their machine in some way or other. We're an adventurous lot which probably meant all kinds of Apple Care headaches for Apple that have gone away with the nMP.
Hate to break it to you but if you bought an Apple hoping for good times on the cheap...
What links? One goes to a drive review and the other to some benchmarks from an old version of Resolve. And the cMP ibn those benchmarks has mods that you'd have a tough time persuading even most die-hard cMP fanatics to pay for let alone a business.
I'm not so glad that you're trying to put words in my mouth. I do NOT agree that it's faster. Especially as newer Resolve benchmarks (though still not the current version) show it's not: http://barefeats.com/imac5k18.html
Around here there are a lot of horse owners. They don't buy horse trucks to move the horses around, they buy a Range Rover and a horse box. They don't expect people who want a Range Rover to buy horse trucks either.
One last thing. Being an ex-journo, I got off my backside and went down to the local Apple dealer this afternoon to get their input. They're only 150m from my house. Apparently the sales are about the same for the nMP as they were for the cMP; the buyers are happy with them; the majority bought them for Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign.
This thread has a strong OCD vibe to it.
Maybe it's time to step away from it awhile for some folks.
We might know something new in a few months over in the
will there be a new 2016 Mac Pro thread.
Maybe it's time to step away from it awhile for some folks.
We might know something new in a few months over in the
will there be a new 2016 Mac Pro thread.
None of this could be added to the cMP form factor? It required a complete redesign of the Mac Pro in order to add this technology?
You mean the people who are asking questions about doing things Apple never intended them to do? Such as flashing PC video cards? Upgrading processors? Those kinds of issues? As for asking about USB 3...hmmm...what's wrong with that? People asking for recommendations...how odd...I've never seen that before.
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