Is there the equivalent of 3D Touch on the new Samsung Galaxy S8?

[mib1800]

Playing around with IOS11 beta on my Air 2. Apple has substituted 3DT with long press for devices without 3DT. The functionality is basically the same. Kind of confused about 3DT now.

Well, it is not that wrong to say 3dt is a marketing gimmick.

 

[Ffosse]

I find that I use 3dt a lot; both on my iPhone and my Apple Watch. Whilst not perhaps essential, I would find it difficult to do without.

 

[I7guy]

Well, it is not that wrong to say 3dt is a marketing gimmick.

Sure it is.

 

[Radon87000]

Playing around with IOS11 beta on my Air 2. Apple has substituted 3DT with long press for devices without 3DT. The functionality is basically the same. Kind of confused about 3DT now.

There is no point to it apart from hamstringing the older devices from not running it so as to get people to buy the 6s as there is basically no reason to get a 6S if you exclude 3DT. Its also why the 6 will never get long press for 3DT Menu unlike the iPad

Long Press is just as good as 3DT. Only the apologists argue otherwise

 

[Zaft]

There is no point to it apart from hamstringing the older devices from not running it so as to get people to buy the 6s as there is basically no reason to get a 6S if you exclude 3DT. Its also why the 6 will never get long press for 3DT Menu unlike the iPad

Long Press is just as good as 3DT. Only the apologists argue otherwise

Playing around with the new 10.5 iPad with 120mhz display is a bigger deal imo.

Now thats something you notice right away, so smooth.

Most people dont even know about 3DT to began with.

 

[Radon87000]

Playing around with the new 10.5 iPad with 120mhz display is a bigger deal imo.

Now thats something you notice right away, so smooth.

Most people dont even know about 3DT to began with.

I bought the Pro 10.5 and loved the smoothness but it had some yellow tint on the display in the bottom so I am waiting till December till I get a perfect version.

 

[Ffosse]

Playing around with the new 10.5 iPad with 120mhz display is a bigger deal imo.

Now thats something you notice right away, so smooth.

Most people dont even know about 3DT to began with.

I wish my 10.5 Pro had 3dt, that and a capacitive home button.

Otherwise it's a stellar device.

 

[Michael Scrip]

Long Press is just as good as 3DT. Only the apologists argue otherwise

Long press can do the same things as 3D-Touch.

But the whole point of 3D-Touch is that is can do different things. It's an additional input method:

Long press for Action A
3D-Touch for Action B

I don't need to apologize for that... it's pretty smart.

 

[I7guy]

There is no point to it apart from hamstringing the older devices from not running it so as to get people to buy the 6s as there is basically no reason to get a 6S if you exclude 3DT. Its also why the 6 will never get long press for 3DT Menu unlike the iPad

Long Press is just as good as 3DT. Only the apologists argue otherwise

Labeling and name calling is always a way to get a point across.

 

[Michael Goff]

I wish my 10.5 Pro had 3dt, that and a capacitive home button.

Otherwise it's a stellar device.

I really don't think it would work well on such a large device.

 

[mib1800]

Long press can do the same things as 3D-Touch.

But the whole point of 3D-Touch is that is can do different things. It's an additional input method:

Long press for Action A
3D-Touch for Action B

I don't need to apologize for that... it's pretty smart.

True. But as of now it is just a piece of expensive hardware (which the phone buyer has to pay for) that is doing nothing more than what a long press can do. ios11 is the proof of that.

 

[Radon87000]

Labeling and name calling is always a way to get a point across.

You now have long press for 3Dt on the iPad doing the same thing which implies the iPhone 6 can as well but wont because that renders the 6s pointless.
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Long press can do the same things as 3D-Touch.

But the whole point of 3D-Touch is that is can do different things. It's an additional input method:

Long press for Action A
3D-Touch for Action B

I don't need to apologize for that... it's pretty smart.

Long press on iOS 10 doesn’t nothing in the OS apart from uninstalling apps. Its not an input method.

 

[I7guy]

You now have long press for 3Dt on the iPad doing the same thing which implies the iPhone 6 can as well but wont because that renders the 6s pointless.
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Long press on iOS 10 doesn’t nothing in the OS apart from uninstalling apps. Its not an input method.

3dt is an interaction method (as is long press as are mouse clicks) and your opinion is the 6s is pointless and mine is 3dt is superior to long press. So there it is differing opinions. (And labeling/generalizations doesn't enhance your position, as I said before.)

 

[mib1800]

3dt is an interaction method (as is long press as are mouse clicks) and your opinion is the 6s is pointless and mine is 3dt is superior to long press. So there it is differing opinions. (And labeling/generalizations doesn't enhance your position, as I said before.)

People are talking about 3DT at the present and you are talking about vaporware/what if. Yes, we all know how 3DT has an additional force-based sensor. You talking about 3DT can do this and that which long press can't. But the main point is this additional interaction is not being used or implemented in use-cases on top of what long press is not capable of. See ios11 for proof. You can come back in future and brag about 3DT once it is effectively used UI interactions.

 

[Michael Scrip]

Long press on iOS 10 doesn’t nothing in the OS apart from uninstalling apps. Its not an input method.

How is long-press not an input method?

You press something LONG and get one reaction.

You press something HARD and you get a different reaction.

Those sound like input methods to me.

Example... let's look at a link in safari:

Long-press gets you the menu... 3D-Touch gets you the pop-up preview.

So again... how are those NOT input methods?

I'm seeing two different inputs resulting in two different outputs.

 

[mib1800]

How is long-press not an input method?

You press something LONG and get one reaction.

You press something HARD and you get a different reaction.

Those sound like input methods to me.

Example... let's look at a link in safari:

Long-press gets you the menu... 3D-Touch gets you the pop-up preview.

So again... how are those NOT input methods?

I'm seeing two different inputs resulting in two different outputs.

Been discussed before. Yep an additional input but 3DT is a weak distinction from long press.

Why not just long press then show preview + menu together? There wont be any ambiguity or wrong presses unlike when both 3DT and longpress are thrown together in the mix.

 

[I7guy]

People are talking about 3DT at the present and you are talking about vaporware/what if. Yes, we all know how 3DT has an additional force-based sensor. You talking about 3DT can do this and that which long press can't. But the main point is this additional interaction is not being used or implemented in use-cases on top of what long press is not capable of. See ios11 for proof. You can come back in future and brag about 3DT once it is effectively used UI interactions.

Not true at all. Peek and pop nullified your argument. Whether your opinion is it's useful to YOU is not the point. Long press simply cannot do this with the same elegance. vaporware is a funny term in describing something that works as advertised. We all know about long press limitations as well. This is about android long press vs ios 3dt which is a weak way of implementing functions 3dt does elegantly.

The same circles and over beaten dead horse.

 

[Michael Goff]

Not true at all. Peek and pop nullified your argument. Whether your opinion is it's useful to YOU is not the point. Long press simply cannot do this with the same elegance. vaporware is a funny term in describing something that works as advertised. We all know about long press limitations as well. This is about android long press vs ios 3dt which is a weak way of implementing functions 3dt does elegantly.

The same circles and over beaten dead horse.

Except long press is discoverable.

 

[Michael Scrip]

Yep an additional input but 3DT is a weak distinction from long press.

Why not just long press then show preview + menu together? There wont be any ambiguity or wrong presses unlike when both 3DT and longpress are thrown together in the mix.

So you're saying Apple shouldn't have even bothered putting 3D-Touch on the phone... since it would be better to have multiple things happen when you long-press.

I dunno... that sounds like a recipe for disaster.

 

[Michael Goff]

So you're saying Apple shouldn't have even bothered putting 3D-Touch on the phone... since it would be better to have multiple things happen when you long-press.

I dunno... that sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Instead, you argue that Apple should have a feature that doesn't work well for some people and isn't really discoverable by most people outside of accidentally.

 

[Michael Scrip]

Instead, you argue that Apple should have a feature that doesn't work well for some people and isn't really discoverable by most people outside of accidentally.

I don't use 3D-Touch very often... but I'm not mad that it's there.

I guess Apple could remove 3D-Touch and go back to the first 8 years of the iPhone when "Peek n Pop" didn't exist.

Or... you could choose not use this extra input... and you get the same experience as iPhones of yore.

Apple... removing useful things like headphone jacks... and adding 3D Touch.

Doomed.

 

[mib1800]

So you're saying Apple shouldn't have even bothered putting 3D-Touch on the phone... since it would be better to have multiple things happen when you long-press.

I dunno... that sounds like a recipe for disaster.

It is one way not the only way. e.g long press to popup a small hotspot overlay. While your finger is on the screen move your finger left-right-up-down on the overlay to display preview/quick reply/menu/etc. At the moment the (few) 3DT UI-based interactions/use-cases that have been implemented in iphone can be easily be replicated with long press.

 

[Radon87000]

3dt is an interaction method (as is long press as are mouse clicks) and your opinion is the 6s is pointless and mine is 3dt is superior to long press. So there it is differing opinions. (And labeling/generalizations doesn't enhance your position, as I said before.)

Apple already implemented the 3DT right click on an iPad from 2013 which is implemented the same way on an 6 would make the 6s a filler device. Gam eover.

 

[Radon87000]

How is long-press not an input method?

You press something LONG and get one reaction.

You press something HARD and you get a different reaction.

Those sound like input methods to me.

Example... let's look at a link in safari:

Long-press gets you the menu... 3D-Touch gets you the pop-up preview.

So again... how are those NOT input methods?

I'm seeing two different inputs resulting in two different outputs.

I am seeing a difference only in Safari not the rest of the OS nor in any app whatsoever. Not a single app on the App Store uses long press but uses 3DT

 

[I7guy]

Apple already implemented the 3DT right click on an iPad from 2013 which is implemented the same way on an 6 would make the 6s a filler device. Gam eover.

The 6s today still blows away the competition. Not the same. 6s 1, iPad 3dt 0. Not that it's a bad device, just not as good as the original, if you can even find 3dt right click in an iPad. My iOS 11 5s hasn't changed in that regard except in the control center where long press emulates 3dt.
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I am seeing a difference only in Safari not the rest of the OS nor in any app whatsoever. Not a single app on the App Store uses long press but uses 3DT

Try peek and pop. I use it constantly. Game over.
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Except long press is discoverable.

Only if you know about it before you "discover" it.