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spinedoc77

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Apple really needs to allow us to custom the toggles. I rarely use Airdrop, but it's the biggest button taking up at least two toggle spaces.

You don't realize how terrible the control center is until you can actually customize it. I'm jailbroken and there are a variety of apps to adjust the control center, from a dark theme to changing the buttons, appearance and functionality.
 

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So is apple stupid or what? IF long press can accomplish everything 3DT can why in the world would apple make dedicated hardware and waste money? It's not a cheap component to put into every iPhone.

IMO 3DT is better but apple needs to implement it better.

Apple is all more about glitzy marketing. As long as they can hook their buyers interest with the next best thing or the future (even if it just existing tech), functionality/usefulness are way back in their mind. They know a lot of fans buy based purely on generated hype.
 
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So is apple stupid or what? IF long press can accomplish everything 3DT can why in the world would apple make dedicated hardware and waste money? It's not a cheap component to put into every iPhone.

IMO 3DT is better but apple needs to implement it better.

I feel 3DT is more something they give us while doing what they'd do anyway (put the button under the glass).
 

I7guy

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Apple is all more about glitzy marketing. As long as they can hook their buyers interest with the next best thing or the future (even if it just existing tech), functionality/usefulness are way back in their mind. They know a lot of fans buy based purely on generated hype.
That's just unsupported hyperbole. The other way of looking at it, is make a superior product and one has a successful company.But of course that what threads of this ilk is about, the little things that people like and dislike.
 

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I'm not sure I understand what your saying.

Apple wanted to put the button under the screen. Something they could do with that is what became 3DT. It likely wasn't the primary concern when they came incorporated the technology into the phone.

As opposed to, say, Long Press. That's fully centered on how users will interact with it.
 

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So is apple stupid or what? IF long press can accomplish everything 3DT can why in the world would apple make dedicated hardware and waste money? It's not a cheap component to put into every iPhone.

IMO 3DT is better but apple needs to implement it better.

It's just something they did to avoid accusations that they copied from Android. I have an Android with me right now and on the very same apps there is little difference between long press and 3DT. I would argue the long press actually requires less effort and it works with almost all phones right from budget to flagships.

It's also why no Android manufacturer bothered to copy it. Huawei had 3DT on their phone but scrapped it later.
 
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C DM

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It's just something they did to avoid accusations that they copied from Android. I have an Android with me right now and on the very same apps there is little difference between long press and 3DT. I would argue the long press actually requires less effort and it works with almost all phones right from budget to flagships.

It's also why no Android manufacturer bothered to copy it. Huawei had 3DT on their phone but scrapped it later.
They spent more money and developed more complex technology just to avoid it seeming like they copied something that they already had (given that long press is something that has been supported in iOS for a long time)? o_O
 
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It's just something they did to avoid accusations that they copied from Android. I have an Android with me right now and on the very same apps there is little difference between long press and 3DT. I would argue the long press actually requires less effort and it works with almost all phones right from budget to flagships.

It's also why no Android manufacturer bothered to copy it. Huawei had 3DT on their phone but scrapped it later.
long press doesn't do the same thing and will never do the same thing with the same capabilities. Being pressure sensitivity opens up more innovation and is more innovative than counting seconds on a screen.
 

spinedoc77

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That's just unsupported hyperbole. The other way of looking at it, is make a superior product and one has a successful company.But of course that what threads of this ilk is about, the little things that people like and dislike.

Sounds like hyperbole to me, that 3dt is superior to long press. Hyperbole I say!
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long press doesn't do the same thing and will never do the same thing with the same capabilities. Being pressure sensitivity opens up more innovation and is more innovative than counting seconds on a screen.

More hyperbole! Every time you describe how 3dt is better someone chimes in and shows how long press does the same thing. Hyperbole! More hyperbole!!!
 

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Sounds like hyperbole to me, that 3dt is superior to long press. Hyperbole I say!
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More hyperbole! Every time you describe how 3dt is better someone chimes in and shows how long press does the same thing. Hyperbole! More hyperbole!!!
Touché to the first point. However there is no counter to that long press is identical to 3dt, except that to say, it's not. Imagine if Wacom drawing systems relied on long press for the pencil? Would it be the same thing and would one be able to produce the same result?

Pressure sensitivity opens up more areas of interaction. Apple, did go through the effort of implementing 3dt because of some iOS failing. It's another, different, sometimes better, way of interacting.
 

spinedoc77

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Touché to the first point. However there is no counter to that long press is identical to 3dt, except that to say, it's not. Imagine if Wacom drawing systems relied on long press for the pencil? Would it be the same thing and would one be able to produce the same result?

Pressure sensitivity opens up more areas of interaction. Apple, did go through the effort of implementing 3dt because of some iOS failing. It's another, different, sometimes better, way of interacting.

Lol I'm just having fun with you. I still don't think you've demonstrated any examples of 3dt doing anything at all that long press can't do though. Yeah I get the pressure sensitivity, but the way it's implemented in 3dt it doesn't make a lick of difference. It's still long press, but with slightly different pressure, they both produce the same EXACT results depending on how the developer programmed it. I don't think the Wacom example makes sense because when selecting menus and such is not the same thing as drawing, even within the apps/programs Wacom uses, much more so on iOS.

I haven't seen where pressure sensitivity opens up more areas of interaction in regards to 3dt, only where it replaces long press.
 

Radon87000

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They spent more money and developed more complex technology just to avoid it seeming like they copied something that they already had (given that long press is something that has been supported in iOS for a long time)? o_O
Long press has never been used for right click on iOS not has any form of right click been there since 3DT.Let me ask you this. You long press the back button on Safari or the reload button to do functions in Safari. Does that mean they cant be used outside that browseR?

long press doesn't do the same thing and will never do the same thing with the same capabilities. Being pressure sensitivity opens up more innovation and is more innovative than counting seconds on a screen.
What counting seconds? Long press lacks animations and is faster. Your only use case is peek and pop which cant be replicated but even then that advantage is negated by the fact that long press right click works on EVERY android phone while 3dt doesnt.
 

C DM

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Long press has never been used for right click on iOS not has any form of right click been there since 3DT.Let me ask you this. You long press the back button on Safari or the reload button to do functions in Safari. Does that mean they cant be used outside that browseR?


What counting seconds? Long press lacks animations and is faster. Your only use case is peek and pop which cant be replicated but even then that advantage is negated by the fact that long press right click works on EVERY android phone while 3dt doesnt.
And it looks like you just brought up uses of long press that have been around in iOS for some time (and are essentially equivalent of right-click, if that's what you want to compare it all too)--basically going against what you tried to imply in your earlier statement that I originally replied to (and you now supported with examples).
 
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Long press has never been used for right click on iOS not has any form of right click been there since 3DT.Let me ask you this. You long press the back button on Safari or the reload button to do functions in Safari. Does that mean they cant be used outside that browseR?


What counting seconds? Long press lacks animations and is faster. Your only use case is peek and pop which cant be replicated but even then that advantage is negated by the fact that long press right click works on EVERY android phone while 3dt doesnt.
But for 6s and later 3dt is a great alternative input method beating long press in a number if ways. Your use case does not negate the advantages of 3dt; which let's be precise long press works on all iPhone phones models period.
 

Radon87000

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And it looks like you just brought up uses of long press that have been around in iOS for some time (and are essentially equivalent of right-click, if that's what you want to compare it all too)--basically going against what you tried to imply in your earlier statement that I originally replied to (and you now supported with examples).

I am talking about the right click function of long press.Its never been there on iOS. The functions in Safari arent right click menus because they dont allow you to do different functions in the browser

But for 6s and later 3dt is a great alternative input method beating long press in a number if ways. Your use case does not negate the advantages of 3dt; which let's be precise long press works on all iPhone phones models period.

Everything 3DT does on iOS on the 6s short of Peek and pop has been done on Android whilst none of those features are there using long press on non 3DT compatible phones
 

C DM

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I am talking about the right click function of long press.Its never been there on iOS. The functions in Safari arent right click menus because they dont allow you to do different functions in the browser



Everything 3DT does on iOS on the 6s short of Peek and pop has been done on Android whilst none of those features are there using long press on non 3DT compatible phones
What sort of distinction are you trying to draw between a "right click" menu and a menu offered by a long press? Simply what type of options are offered? That's just a matter of offering different options for an existing feature and not somehow a whole new/different feature.
 

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I am talking about the right click function of long press.Its never been there on iOS. The functions in Safari arent right click menus because they dont allow you to do different functions in the browser



Everything 3DT does on iOS on the 6s short of Peek and pop has been done on Android whilst none of those features are there using long press on non 3DT compatible phones
Peek and pop is the defining feature that allows more options over long press. Without peek and pop 3dt = expensive long press.
 

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The only issue I have with 3DT is discoverability, there should be some visual cue at least.

Besides that I prefer 3DT over long press for most things like peak and pop and quickly deleting emails.
 
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Peek and pop is the defining feature that allows more options over long press. Without peek and pop 3dt = expensive long press.

How prevalent is peek and pop in iphone UI? From your feedback, it is mostly in email. In other words, after 2 years 3dt potential is not being realised. Why is that? Maybe because peek & pop is just mediocre and 3rd party apps don't bother with it? Take out this peek-and-pop...in your own words..."3dt is just expensive long press".
 
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I7guy

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How prevalent is peek and pop in iphone UI? From your feedback, it is mostly in email. In other words, after 2 years 3dt potential is not being realised. Why is that? Maybe because peek & pop is just mediocre and 3rd party apps don't bother with it? Take out this peek-and-pop...in your own words..."3dt is just expensive long press".
It's very prevalent. And what I did say without peek and pop, which is prevalent, it would be an expensive long press.
 

Zaft

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How prevalent is peek and pop in iphone UI? From your feedback, it is mostly in email. In other words, after 2 years 3dt potential is not being realised. Why is that? Maybe because peek & pop is just mediocre and 3rd party apps don't bother with it? Take out this peek-and-pop...in your own words..."3dt is just expensive long press".
I have several apps that use it, Expedia, kayak and facebook are just a few.
 

I7guy

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I have several apps that use it, Expedia, kayak and facebook are just a few.
Don't forget safari, any link is a peek and pop, what's app, which also supports Siri. Plus other third party apps, of which the names are irrelevant.

A rhetorical and subjective question such as "how prevalent " can't be discussed rationally.
 

Zaft

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Playing around with IOS11 beta on my Air 2. Apple has substituted 3DT with long press for devices without 3DT. The functionality is basically the same. Kind of confused about 3DT now.
 
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