I don't know and I can't speak for anyone other than myself. There are many straw-man and straw-houses in the last few posts built with dubious logic.
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Is there the equivalent of 3D Touch on the new Samsung Galaxy S8?
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I can speak for everyone I've ever seen use a phone. They all took to long press easily and quickly. None of them have any trouble with it.
I never really had this issue, but apple should incorporate deleting an app into 3DT.
Whats interesting is even though apple advertised 3DT for use with the 6S on live photos it worked fine in the SE with long press lol.
I can say the same about 3dt, except for the people that ask:"how to delete an app". And yes, I've gotten that question.
Long press works a lot worse with introduction of 3D touch on iOS. There's a point where when you long press you're not sure if it's going to execute delete app wiggle or 3D touch.
If 3D touch is useless then Apple watch must be completely broken because some things you can't do without 3D touch. And I don't have to "think" before pressing hard to get this function going.
If 3D touch is useless then Apple watch must be completely broken because some things you can't do without 3D touch. And I don't have to "think" before pressing hard to get this function going.
What are you talking about? I use my Watch every day and I dont use 3DT on it except when I need to end my gym workout and even then its something long press could easily do. The entirety of the Watch could be remodeled on long press. I have seen Android Wear do it
As far as app wiggle goes, on Android when I move the icon it moves otherwise right click is activated. Seems intuitive to me unlike on iOS where a useless "Share" button is generated
Android apps like iOS have to register the particular actions. 3dt on my Amex app and 4 actions related to Amex rather than some generic android thing. 3dt on photos and 4 actions related to photos are generated. 3dt on maps 4 actions relating to maps. 3dt in whatsapp 4 actions related to whatsapp.
Seems intuitive to me.
Think about how long press would work let's say while you're running and wanted to stop the workout? Try it now and see how hard it is to keep finger on the screen. With 3D just it's just a one hard press. Android Wear does it doesn't mean it's good.
The thing to remember is that long-press is a function of time... and 3D Touch is a function of pressure.
Apple made them two different input methods.
Long-press does one action... 3D Touch does a different separate action.
People always say "why do we need 3D Touch when we already have long-press?"
That would be true if you wanted 3D Touch to replace a long-press.
But 3D Touch is an additional form of input.
Apple made them two different input methods.
Long-press does one action... 3D Touch does a different separate action.
People always say "why do we need 3D Touch when we already have long-press?"
That would be true if you wanted 3D Touch to replace a long-press.
But 3D Touch is an additional form of input.
The main issue here is 3dt overlaps with long press making it a lot less useful. Plus it can get really confusing and complicates usage when a press on the screen can be interpreted as 3dt soft press/3dt hard press/normal long press.
I suspect apple thought of this 3dt feature is due to certain limitations of iOS (e.g. like lack of global back button navigation like android). Just imagine without 3dt, if you click url link it will stop/unload your current app and and loads browser to view link. When you are done with the url preview, you have to tediously find your way back to your app using task mgr.
There is no such issue with Android since you just need to press back button and you are returned to where you left off after you are done previewing the url. Plus it doesnt unload your previous app (beauty of multi-tasking).
Sure... I can see how it can be confusing.
But Apple did succeed in making two inputs where there would normally be just one.
With 3D Touch you can long-press an icon to make it wiggle... and hard-press an icon to make the menu pop up.
How would you get that 2nd method of input if you only had the first?
IIRC... we didn't have the popup menu until Apple introduced 3D Touch.
Well, you said it. Why don't just introduce long press and popup? About 2nd input, you can just have multiple tabs in popup...this gives you 2nd...Nth inputs.
Btw: Wiggle thingy, imo it just defies convention and totally unnecessary. Why not just popup a menu which can have more than one command (instead of just delete with wiggle) .
Why should Apple follow android? 3dt is a better way of dealing with screen functionality than long press. There is no back button only a release of pressure. Maybe not everybody likes it, but not everybody likes mice either. That's why trackballs and alternate input devices exist for users. We can debate about this and as always ymmv. But the reality is 3dt provides certain functions long press doesn't or provides inefficiently.
Right now... long-press and hard-press are two separate triggers giving two different results.
How could you have two outputs from a single input?
I agree... maybe the whole thing needs to be rejiggered.
One input to pop up the menu... and one of the menu choices is "uninstall this app" or "move this app"
I still like 3D Touch though
I have a feeling iOS 11 is going to bring some changes now that 3dt is gaining critical mass.Right now... long-press and hard-press are two separate triggers giving two different results.
How could you have two outputs from a single input?
I agree... maybe the whole thing needs to be rejiggered.
One input to pop up the menu... and one of the menu choices is "uninstall this app" or "move this app"
I still like 3D Touch though
Don't get me wrong. Having the hardware to detect pressure sensitive is a plus point. It is after all additional hardware isnt it? I am rational and practical person and always for additional hardware (unlike some apple fans who blindly dismissed everything that isnt in iphone like usb/utg
, notification led, wireless charging, iris, ir, pulse sensor, OLED etc)I can see it as advantage in certain scenarios like in games or use it to activate certain apps at different pressure point when screen is off or maybe usage in wet/rugged conditions. But at the moment I can't see any compelling advantage over Android long press/popup in most typical UI interactions.
Thankfully there are rational android fans that don't blindly dismiss everything that's not in android such as 3dt, continuity, handoff, Live Photos, airdrop, ecosystem integration, most accurate display, long support cycles, great tech support, Apple stores worldwide, best in class soc, etc. I know you can appreciate 3dt as a better technology than "long press" even though personally you don't have a use case for it.Don't get me wrong. Having the hardware to detect pressure sensitive is a plus point. It is after all additional hardware isnt it? I am rational and practical person and always for additional hardware (unlike some apple fans who blindly dismissed everything that isnt in iphone like usb/utg
I can see it as advantage in certain scenarios like in games or use it to activate certain apps at different pressure point when screen is off or maybe usage in wet/rugged conditions. But at the moment I can't see any compelling advantage over Android long press/popup in most typical UI interactions.
Whats confusing about it?Or like long press is ambiguous and confusing.
You see the animation right? Long press has no animation
By the time you are doing peep and pop and squinting at what you are reading I have already entered the email and done what I needed to do. Long Press does no support peek and pop. We are discussing the "right click" use case of it
Its a challenge faced by majority iPhone owners as the Plus is more popular than the smaller iPhone.
You dont need to drag on Windows. You can set it so that drag isnt needed. There is nothing inefficient about it as its doing the same thing with lesser hardware
All those tricks 3DT did have been available on Android for who knows how long
http://www.phonearena.com/news/3D-T...-Shortcuts-work-on-Android-7.1-Nougat_id87958
Then stop putting out vibration as an advantage. It seems such a silly reason to state 3d Touch is superior because of "vibrate"
Difference is long press has been on Android for a decade which means almost all apps support it and on Android if it doesnt support it then useful features like "Resize" , "change icon" "uninstall" show up and not a useless share button
Where is long press used on iOS apart from Safari. No where. You cant even long press notifications to clear them all in one go like on Android. You cant long press the control centre to enter into settings. You cant long press the contact to edit fields.[/QUOTE]
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I returned the Android Wear so I have no idea how it would work with long press but I dont use 3DT on my Fitbit Surge and am not inconvenienced the least
Long-press is used to make an app icon wiggle for movement or deletion.
Long-press is used system-wide for selecting text via the magnifier, and to invoke the cut, copy and paste menu in nearly every app.
I'm sure there are other uses.
But long-press is not solely used in Safari.
(it's funny though... usually people say we don't need 3D Touch since it's a useless gimmick... but are you suggesting we don't need long-press either?)
It's not that intuitive, imo.
No, it's fairly instant and intuitive and offset by the seconds taken by long press.
That's my point I have already seat with 5 emails to your one.
Straw man argument.
I virtually see no one do that, which means they are good to go with 3dt.
But not as easily or efficiently.
Seems a great advantage.
And 3dt moved the innovation needle forward.
3dt is superior to long press.
I dont need to squint, but I am using Spark email which gives a nice big preview on 3DT.
Thankfully there are rational android fans that don't blindly dismiss everything that's not in android such as 3dt, continuity, handoff, Live Photos, airdrop, ecosystem integration, most accurate display, long support cycles, great tech support, Apple stores worldwide, best in class soc, etc. I know you can appreciate 3dt as a better technology than "long press" even though personally you don't have a use case for it.
Quick pause here. Are you talking about Iphone 3dt vs S8 long press or Iphone 3dt vs Iphone long press? If you are saying how iphone 3dt is better and how S8 long press cannot match up, then you are barking up the wrong tree.
Most current use cases (i.e popup preview) that iphone 3dt can do are quite irrelevant to Android. As I have already mentioned before Android back button navigation can do those use cases better without confusion and ambiguity. The long press is used for standard popup commands. Clear demarcation. No confusion unlike iphone which leaves you wondering whether you are doing long press or 3dt.
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Nope I'm spot on with this and I'm referring to android.
It's only irrelevant it seems because one has press a back-button vs release pressure. Much more efficient as I've already mentioned. It's not a clear demarcation to me and of course we could get into a tit-for-tat about who it is clear to or not, but not one iota of confusion on the iphone (and the same tit-for-tat applies).