Is there the equivalent of 3D Touch on the new Samsung Galaxy S8?

[mib1800]

It's only irrelevant it seems because one has press a back-button vs release pressure. Much more efficient as I've already mentioned. It's not a clear demarcation to me and of course we could get into a tit-for-tat about who it is clear to or not, but not one iota of confusion on the iphone (and the same tit-for-tat applies).

But if with the app opened you can act on it easier if you want to. Isnt it more tedious to keep pressing on the screen while you are previewing it with 3dt? And you only get to see partial info in a small popup. Not to mention that you have to wonder whether the link has 3dt enabled or not

 

[I7guy]

But if with the app opened you can act on it easier if you want to. Isnt it more tedious to keep pressing on the screen while you are previewing it with 3dt? And you only get to see partial info in a small popup. Not to mention that you have to wonder whether the link has 3dt enabled or not

IMO, it's not more tedious, any more than using a mouse on windows or pencil on ipad pro for hours at a time. There is no wondering about whether 3dt is supported for the mail app. For 3rd party apps it's hit or miss the same as long press. If the app developer included code for 3dt or long press you know it after the first attempt.

 

[mib1800]

IMO, it's not more tedious, any more than using a mouse on windows or pencil on ipad pro for hours at a time. There is no wondering about whether 3dt is supported for the mail app. For 3rd party apps it's hit or miss the same as long press. If the app developer included code for 3dt or long press you know it after the first attempt.

I guess in iphone you have no chocie. 3dt popup preview does alleviate the pain of doing multi apps interaction/workflow. Android global bread crumbs navigation is still a much better and neater solution. e.g. On iphone if you do a 3dt on a url which itself has a youtube link which you want to preview. You can't do another 3dt preview on a 3dt popup. If you click the youtube link, it will just open up youtube app and this caused all your current workflow navigation to be messed up. On android everything will be neatly stacked and the back button allows you to unwind out nicely.

Plus the multi-window capability in S8 extends support for other scenarios that are not possible with 3dt.

 

[I7guy]

I guess in iphone you have no chocie. 3dt popup preview does alleviate the pain of doing multi apps interaction/workflow. Android global bread crumbs navigation is still a much better and neater solution. e.g. On iphone if you do a 3dt on a url which itself has a youtube link which you want to preview. You can't do another 3dt preview on a 3dt popup. If you click the youtube link, it will just open up youtube app and this caused all your current workflow navigation to be messed up. On android everything will be neatly stacked and the back button allows you to unwind out nicely.

Plus the multi-window capability in S8 extends support for other scenarios that are not possible with 3dt.

It's nice to have a choice in the iphone of press, 3dt or long press. Different models behave differently based on hardware availability. 3dt does alleviate the pain of press, back, press, back, press, press, etc. that's on android. Bread crumbs are needed due to lack of hardware to support multiple overlayed windows based on screen interaction. If stacking youtube videos is your thing, then android is the o/s for you. If you want an efficient way to deal with email, e.g. IOS would be with 3dt. Personally I would rather have an efficient way of dealing with the morass of email than to stack youtube videos; which I don't even do in windows. YMMV.

3DT provides interaction in ways not available on the s8 and the compensation is this stacking and pressing the back button scenario.

 

[Zaft]

Quick pause here. Are you talking about Iphone 3dt vs S8 long press or Iphone 3dt vs Iphone long press? If you are saying how iphone 3dt is better and how S8 long press cannot match up, then you are barking up the wrong tree.

Most current use cases (i.e popup preview) that iphone 3dt can do are quite irrelevant to Android. As I have already mentioned before Android back button navigation can do those use cases better without confusion and ambiguity. The long press is used for standard popup commands. Clear demarcation. No confusion unlike iphone which leaves you wondering whether you are doing long press or 3dt.

what confusion? you either put pressure or you don't.

 

[mib1800]

It's nice to have a choice in the iphone of press, 3dt or long press. Different models behave differently based on hardware availability. 3dt does alleviate the pain of press, back, press, back, press, press, etc. that's on android.

Nope. Press hard then hold...(long) then release (repeated over and over) is more painful to do.

Bread crumbs are needed due to lack of hardware to support multiple overlayed windows based on screen interaction. If stacking youtube videos is your thing, then android is the o/s for you. If you want an efficient way to deal with email, e.g. IOS would be with 3dt. Personally I would rather have an efficient way of dealing with the morass of email than to stack youtube videos; which I don't even do in windows. YMMV.

Not sure what you are getting at but for new emails, in Android I can quickly preview them all at once in notification drop down. Why do I need to go through the trouble using 3dt preview one by one? That's not logical at all. If those apps (e.g email) in Android wanted to do the simple popup using 3dt they can do the same with long press popup. We have been over this.

3DT provides interaction in ways not available on the s8 and the compensation is this stacking and pressing the back button scenario.

Ios can only show ONE and only one 3dt popup application window on top of the current. That's all. And you need a expensive 3dt hardware to do this. 3dt popup window app is just a cut down version of the actual app and if you need further interaction you have to close the popup and open up the actual app. This waste time

Android standard UI already do this much better without needing expensive 3dt hardware. You can open one app on top of another for as MANY levels as you want. Unlike 3dt popup app, android opens up the full app on top of the current so you can interact with it if you needed to.

 

[I7guy]

Nope. Press hard then hold...(long) then release (repeated over and over) is more painful to do.

Nope, it's not. One is not pressing hard. If one has used windows for any length of time, this is a snap. It may not be for everybody, but lol, it's not painful in the least. And it's fast and efficient.

Not sure what you are getting at but for new emails, in Android I can quickly preview them all at once in notification drop down. Why do I need to go through the trouble using 3dt preview one by one? That's not logical at all. If those apps (e.g email) in Android wanted to do the simple popup using 3dt they can do the same with long press popup. We have been over this.

Of course with IOS you get a myriad of choices, notifications, long press, 3dt. But if you're in a meeting and get 10 to 15 emails, it's easy to 3dt the mail app, go to new email and then quickly 3dt through them all, without following bread crumbs to see the need to be replyed, moved to trash, move to other folder. Yes, we've been over this!

Ios can only show ONE and only one 3dt popup application window on top of the current. That's all. And you need a expensive 3dt hardware to do this. 3dt popup window app is just a cut down version of the actual app and if you need further interaction you have to close the popup and open up the actual app. This waste time

Android standard UI already do this much better without needing expensive 3dt hardware. You can open one app on top of another for as MANY levels as you want. Unlike 3dt popup app, android opens up the full app on top of the current so you can interact with it if you needed to.

This is called moving the goalposts and deflections. Nobody is talking about stacking youtube videos. We are discussing 3dt in an informational way vs long press.

3dt is a slick, efficient alternate input method that android users have to long press and bread crumb around. Long press is a waster of time.

I'm wondering if there is any new information at this point?

 

[spinedoc77]

Ive already determined the status of 5 or 6 emails whilst your long pressing trying to figure things out of one email. I don't struggle to maintain pressure any more than click and drag under Windows
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No you haven't, you're still putzing around trying to figure out why you can't view the entire email or attachments, only have 2 options for swipe actions inside peek. I just had a couple of emails that I tried using 3dt on and they pissed me off. One was multiple emails with receipts from staples, I wanted to quickly categorize them into email folders. With 3dt it wouldn't show the attachment and I'd have to fully open the email anyway. With other emails you can't scroll down the body of the email, so it's only useful for very short emails. I've also found that if attachments were included as files, then the email itself doesn't show because it gets pushed down off the 3dt peek screen.

I can determine the same status of my emails right in the mailbox, but when open I have a ridiculous amount of power in an app such as Bluemail. I can set 12 swipe actions to left and right swipe total if I want. But wait, I can even go a level before that, I can setup different swipe actions for the notification itself, so I don't even have to do 3dt or go into the email itself. That's just the tip of the iceberg. As I've mentioned before it seems like 3dt works well for you in trying to overcome the handicap the stock mail app has due to how primitive it is.

That's only in email, and that's probably one of the best areas Apple has 3dt implemented.

 

[I7guy]

No you haven't, you're still putzing around trying to figure out why you can't view the entire email or attachments, only have 2 options for swipe actions inside peek. I just had a couple of emails that I tried using 3dt on and they pissed me off. One was multiple emails with receipts from staples, I wanted to quickly categorize them into email folders. With 3dt it wouldn't show the attachment and I'd have to fully open the email anyway. With other emails you can't scroll down the body of the email, so it's only useful for very short emails. I've also found that if attachments were included as files, then the email itself doesn't show because it gets pushed down off the 3dt peek screen.

I can determine the same status of my emails right in the mailbox, but when open I have a ridiculous amount of power in an app such as Bluemail. I can set 12 swipe actions to left and right swipe total if I want. But wait, I can even go a level before that, I can setup different swipe actions for the notification itself, so I don't even have to do 3dt or go into the email itself. That's just the tip of the iceberg. As I've mentioned before it seems like 3dt works well for you in trying to overcome the handicap the stock mail app has due to how primitive it is.

That's only in email, and that's probably one of the best areas Apple has 3dt implemented.

You have a totally different use case then me. First I get between 100 and 200 emails a day, so notifications for emails are disabled. I don't want to know when any email comes in. Since we're on this topic anyway, the stock IOS mail app is very good even without 3dt. 3dt is not good for a thorough review of the email. It's great when you have a large number of emails to scroll through and want to very quickly categorize them based on about the first paragraph of information and scroll through a large number of either filtered or unfiltered emails.(this use case applies to me). If you're going to respond to and review the attachments anyway for every email, you have to open the email and the attachment. This will still cost one time and then all the shortcuts relative to the review time are meaningless. Who cares about 1 vs 3 clicks, if you just spent the last half hour reviewing and responding to 6 emails?

Unfortunately, and may apple will improve this, you can't open attachments or links in peek mode. Having said that, if that email the is being peeked needs further attention, press a bit more to pop it. It's really quite ingenious and adds another layer rather than compensating for something.

Further to 3dt, I get certain notifications to my locked screen. If I want to act on it, 3dt the notification, get the options. If the action requires the phone to be unlocked, all I have to do is touch the touch id button and the action is carried out and the phone stays at the home screen and back in my pocket.

Email is a good example of 3dt implementation, the lock screen notifications are another. The settings app is another, to go directly to the shortcut. The left edge press for the task switcher is another. Calendar is another, to tell you what's up next (although I get notifications as well, but 3dt the calendar tells your next meeting).

Apple always seems to improve certain operational aspects of IOS with every new release. I'm thinking this will be the case for touch id as well.

 

[mib1800]

You have a totally different use case then me. First I get between 100 and 200 emails a day, so notifications for emails are disabled. I don't want to know when any email comes in. Since we're on this topic anyway, the stock IOS mail app is very good even without 3dt. 3dt is not good for a thorough review of the email. It's great when you have a large number of emails to scroll through and want to very quickly categorize them based on about the first paragraph of information and scroll through a large number of either filtered or unfiltered emails.(this use case applies to me). If you're going to respond to and review the attachments anyway for every email, you have to open the email and the attachment. This will still cost one time and then all the shortcuts relative to the review time are meaningless. Who cares about 1 vs 3 clicks, if you just spent the last half hour reviewing and responding to 6 emails?

Unfortunately, and may apple will improve this, you can't open attachments or links in peek mode. Having said that, if that email the is being peeked needs further attention, press a bit more to pop it. It's really quite ingenious and adds another layer rather than compensating for something.

Further to 3dt, I get certain notifications to my locked screen. If I want to act on it, 3dt the notification, get the options. If the action requires the phone to be unlocked, all I have to do is touch the touch id button and the action is carried out and the phone stays at the home screen and back in my pocket.

Email is a good example of 3dt implementation, the lock screen notifications are another. The settings app is another, to go directly to the shortcut. The left edge press for the task switcher is another. Calendar is another, to tell you what's up next (although I get notifications as well, but 3dt the calendar tells your next meeting).

Apple always seems to improve certain operational aspects of IOS with every new release. I'm thinking this will be the case for touch id as well.

in other words, 3dt got beaten by a good designed app.

 

[I7guy]

in other words, 3dt got beaten by a good designed app.

You made a funny..and I thought you were serious for a second.

 

[mib1800]

You made a funny..and I thought you were serious for a second.

Whatever. Anyway, other manufacturers (can't remember which) have used 3dt and then have dropped it later. Maybe they realized there arent many useful things a 3dt can do which cannot be replaced with alternatives. As we know, 3dt on iphone isnt a exactly a killer feature that apple envisioned it to be.

 

[Ffosse]

I use it all the time; same on my watch.

 

[MRU]

I use it all the time; same on my watch.

Shhh. They just want to argue endlessly ....

Same old, same old.

 

[spinedoc77]

in other words, 3dt got beaten by a good designed app.

That's the thing, almost all of the positives he notes about 3dt are just shortcomings in Apples core apps.

 

[Radon87000]

what confusion? you either put pressure or you don't.

Putting pressure only works some of the time not all the time. Most of the Google apps I use don't support 3DT. 3D Touch doesn't work in Safari interface. I cant use peek and pop in mail because neither Inbox not Outlook support any form of 3DT. On my phone only Apple's apps support 3DT properly. Rest either have useless options which don't make sense or don't support entirely. On Android I can actually customise that menu and almost all apps support long press. Quite frankly long press is a natural extension of the interface on Android whilst 3DT is something I have to force myself to use as I bought a phone supporting it.
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I use it all the time; same on my watch.

But the point is you don't need it. My Fitbit doesnt have 3DT and I am in no way impaired from using it. As I said earlier you can model the entire Watch on long press. Why is 3DT needed to end a basic workout when a swipe does the trick. When you are running its actually tedious to use 3DT than swipe
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You have a totally different use case then me. First I get between 100 and 200 emails a day, so notifications for emails are disabled. I don't want to know when any email comes in. Since we're on this topic anyway, the stock IOS mail app is very good even without 3dt. 3dt is not good for a thorough review of the email. It's great when you have a large number of emails to scroll through and want to very quickly categorize them based on about the first paragraph of information and scroll through a large number of either filtered or unfiltered emails.(this use case applies to me). If you're going to respond to and review the attachments anyway for every email, you have to open the email and the attachment. This will still cost one time and then all the shortcuts relative to the review time are meaningless. Who cares about 1 vs 3 clicks, if you just spent the last half hour reviewing and responding to 6 emails?

Unfortunately, and may apple will improve this, you can't open attachments or links in peek mode. Having said that, if that email the is being peeked needs further attention, press a bit more to pop it. It's really quite ingenious and adds another layer rather than compensating for something.

Further to 3dt, I get certain notifications to my locked screen. If I want to act on it, 3dt the notification, get the options. If the action requires the phone to be unlocked, all I have to do is touch the touch id button and the action is carried out and the phone stays at the home screen and back in my pocket.

Email is a good example of 3dt implementation, the lock screen notifications are another. The settings app is another, to go directly to the shortcut. The left edge press for the task switcher is another. Calendar is another, to tell you what's up next (although I get notifications as well, but 3dt the calendar tells your next meeting).

Apple always seems to improve certain operational aspects of IOS with every new release. I'm thinking this will be the case for touch id as well.

Outlook which beats the Mail app hasn't supported 3DT for over a year. Google calendar doesn't support it either. Basically you have to use only Apple's apps to get 3DT

 

[I7guy]

Outlook which beats the Mail app hasn't supported 3DT for over a year. Google calendar doesn't support it either. Basically you have to use only Apple's apps to get 3DT Quite frankly long press is a natural extension of the interface on Android whilst 3DT is something I have to force myself to use as I bought a phone supporting it.

No it doesn't. I tried outlook and didn't like it. Outlook mail app, isn't like outlook 2013 or outlook 2016; which are very good. Long press is not natural either. I came from a blackberry and there was nothing magical about long press at that time for either android or ios.
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Whatever. Anyway, other manufacturers (can't remember which) have used 3dt and then have dropped it later. Maybe they realized there arent many useful things a 3dt can do which cannot be replaced with alternatives. As we know, 3dt on iphone isnt a exactly a killer feature that apple envisioned it to be.

Apple doesn't drop features. They obviously thought this through, even some here don't like it; which is the case for everything. Samsung is notorious for add a feature and drop a feature.

Maybe it's not apple that hasn't realized there aren't many useful things 3dt can do.

But you are right, not everybody uses every feature. I know people who keep their phones unlocked and don't use touchid. To each their own.

As far as killer features, we can certainly put forth our opinions about killer features, starting with sd card and oled.
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That's the thing, almost all of the positives he notes about 3dt are just shortcomings in Apples core apps.

I actually give you props for one of the more cogent responses to this thread; unlike "no it doesn't".

While 3dt is not needed, it's an alternative input method to getting things done. I don't need 3dt, and the stock mail app in ios 10 is very good, imo and could get along fine without 3dt, but I do like using 3dt.

Now the mail app on my ipad is a totally different story with screen real estate galore, but thats for another topic.
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Shhh. They just want to argue endlessly ....

Same old, same old.

And there we have it. Ping, pong.

 

[jamezr]

That's the thing, almost all of the positives he notes about 3dt are just shortcomings in Apples core apps.

yep...like their own music app......3dt is useless..after a couple years you would think they would give it some functionality. IMHO 3dt is just added complexity....like the touch bar on new MBP......adds a layer of complexity that gets in the way of the user experience.

 

[Zaft]

Putting pressure only works some of the time not all the time. Most of the Google apps I use don't support 3DT. 3D Touch doesn't work in Safari interface. I cant use peek and pop in mail because neither Inbox not Outlook support any form of 3DT. On my phone only Apple's apps support 3DT properly. Rest either have useless options which don't make sense or don't support entirely. On Android I can actually customise that menu and almost all apps support long press. Quite frankly long press is a natural extension of the interface on Android whilst 3DT is something I have to force myself to use as I bought a phone supporting it.
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But the point is you don't need it. My Fitbit doesnt have 3DT and I am in no way impaired from using it. As I said earlier you can model the entire Watch on long press. Why is 3DT needed to end a basic workout when a swipe does the trick. When you are running its actually tedious to use 3DT than swipe
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Outlook which beats the Mail app hasn't supported 3DT for over a year. Google calendar doesn't support it either. Basically you have to use only Apple's apps to get 3DT

Ok i got what your saying now.

 

[Radon87000]

yep...like their own music app......3dt is useless..after a couple years you would think they would give it some functionality. IMHO 3dt is just added complexity....like the touch bar on new MBP......adds a layer of complexity that gets in the way of the user experience.

Half of the control centre doesn't support 3DT while the other half does. On Android it's a snap to quickly toggle cellular on and off without entering airplane mode using long press. Not possible on iOS. 3DT isn't even consistent at what it's supposed to do. I am being really honest here when I say the only place where 3DT made my life easier is when using the keyboard as trackpad.

 

[spinedoc77]

I am being really honest here when I say the only place where 3DT made my life easier is when using the keyboard as trackpad.

But that could be accomplished with long press, I wouldn't even know that feature was being activated if it wasn't for the vibration. For all intents and purposes you are really just long pressing.

 

[Radon87000]

But that could be accomplished with long press, I wouldn't even know that feature was being activated if it wasn't for the vibration. For all intents and purposes you are really just long pressing.

Apple actually had a similar implementation in one of their public betas on iOS 9 where you could use the keyboard as trackpad on non 3DT compatible phones using the iPad 2 finger swipe(which is entirely possible on the huge screen of the plus) . But they scrapped it knowing it would not justify 3DT on the 6s lol

 

[I7guy]

Half of the control centre doesn't support 3DT while the other half does. On Android it's a snap to quickly toggle cellular on and off without entering airplane mode using long press. Not possible on iOS. 3DT isn't even consistent at what it's supposed to do. I am being really honest here when I say the only place where 3DT made my life easier is when using the keyboard as trackpad.

Correct the top line is toggles and the bottom row additional options can be selected. It's true on IOS you can turn off cellular data and leave bt on with one button. A use case I have never encountered personally in 4 years of iphone ownership.

I find swiping up and pressing airplane mode, wifi does exactly what I need. If I need bt on one more quick press. So yes within the control center it's consistent.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Half of the control centre doesn't support 3DT while the other half does. On Android it's a snap to quickly toggle cellular on and off without entering airplane mode using long press. Not possible on iOS. 3DT isn't even consistent at what it's supposed to do. I am being really honest here when I say the only place where 3DT made my life easier is when using the keyboard as trackpad.

Apple really needs to allow us to custom the toggles. I rarely use Airdrop, but it's the biggest button taking up at least two toggle spaces.

 

[Zaft]

So is apple stupid or what? IF long press can accomplish everything 3DT can why in the world would apple make dedicated hardware and waste money? It's not a cheap component to put into every iPhone.

IMO 3DT is better but apple needs to implement it better.