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bmac4

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Between the iP5 and the HTC One?

In my eyes its a wash.....I can notice a slightly better quality in the One's display when comparing the two side-by-side, but the increase in PPI doesn't do much when you get up over 300.....

That's just my opinion, though I'm a stickler when it comes to display quality. Hate hate hate the AMOLED displays (although I've heard great things about the GS4 being more true and accurate color-wise).

Yea I understand. I just think nizmoz was trying to call me out when I knew what I was talking about with the Ones display. I know there is no huge difference, but with a newer technology by 8 months there is a slight difference.
 

cynics

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Sorry that I don't fall into the Android fan camp like some of you guys. I have owned many Android phones (actually more of them than iphones), and now currently a iphone 5. I do like the new One and S4, but to me, it's not a game changer. A a 4MP camera on the HTC one is a deal breaker but I am sure you folks will have more excuses for that too.

Now your just being silly. You mentioned photographers earlier and they can tell you there is much more important things then megapixels.

Why wasn't the iPhone 5 8 megapixel camera a deal breaker when the S4 has a 13 megapixel camera?
 
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nizmoz

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Now your just being silly. You mentioned photographers earlier and they can tell you there is much more important things then megapixels.

Why wasn't the iPhone 5 8 megapixel camera a deal breaker when the S4 has a 13 megapixel camera?

iPhone 5 has a good camera, HTC One doesn't. 4MP is going backwards on phones. And yes lens means everything but MP does to a point too. Going back to 4 MP is a big nono. Pretty much after 8mp your eyes won't be able to tell much difference. EOD.
 
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Prissy

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Umm because people found out Sprints network sucks and not the phones. :rolleyes:

Again, you are confusing "truth" with "your opinion". And then you exaggerate your position, "end of the iPhone," to create controversy.



It's simply because you don't understand what you linked to. It was not a survey, and it didn't show Apple having a hard time this year. In fact, it showed that the release of the iPhone 5 resulted in an increase in smartphone sales at Sprint.

Most of the "Facts" you are spouting are clearly not true and you're dead set on winding people up. You've said you have used iPhones for a while yet you still don't get how the hardware works on the iPhone and keep spouting "higher" specs.

updated original post with the correct links. Sorry had you guys hyped up.
 

TommyA6

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My home is riddled with :apple: products and I've had every iPhone including the 5 (which I still have). The biggest differences in the hardware for me were:

the rearrangement of the pixels which for my eyes improved clarity.

Color temp is closer to REC 709/6500K.

Dual Core-> Quad Core

1GB ram->2GB Ram.

JB 4.2 Although this is not that important as most devices will get the update.


Take all this with a grain of salt as I am someone who finds any reason to upgrade, hence why I went from 4->4S->5:D

So you've just described spec bumps :p . iPhone 5 is plenty faster (more than 2x than 4s and it is actually faster than galaxy s4 and HTC one). It also has a much better screen in terms of color saturation (and precision), and also slightly bigger screen. It also doubled the RAM of the iPhone 4s to 1 gb, has slightly better cameras, and a new (much bigger difference than going from s3 to s4), better, more durable design. It also supports LTE etc.
 

sentinelsx

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Is the "end of the iPhone" something every one here looks forward to all the time? Does everyone really think it will be great once it happens?
 

daveathall

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iPhone 5 has a good camera, HTC One doesn't. 4MP is going backwards on phones. And yes lens means everything but MP does to a point too. Going back to 4 MP is a big nono. Pretty much after 8mp your eyes won't be able to tell much difference. EOD.

You never mentioned camera sensor size, you do know that it makes a massive difference, don't you? "After 8mp your eyes won't be able to tell the difference"? do you not think that that would depend on the size of the photo/screen?
 
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cynics

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iPhone 5 has a good camera, HTC One doesn't. 4MP is going backwards on phones. And yes lens means everything but MP does to a point too. Going back to 4 MP is a big nono. Pretty much after 8mp your eyes won't be able to tell much difference. EOD.

You clearly do not have any idea what you are talking about. Maybe what you said makes sense if you only look at photos you take on the iPhones tiny screen. If that's the case it's all but impossible to tell a difference from an iPhone 4 photo to an iPhone 5 photo. Put the same imagines on a computer screen and there is a difference.

I do apologize I shouldn't have humored a conversation with you. You are worried only about the specs that clearly wouldn't matter to you. Retina display is perfect, mono speaker is perfect, 8 mp camera is perfect. I guess if you aim low you'll never be disappointed.
 

Prissy

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Sorry that I don't fall into the Android fan camp like some of you guys. I have owned many Android phones (actually more of them than iphones), and now currently a iphone 5. I do like the new One and S4, but to me, it's not a game changer. A a 4MP camera on the HTC one is a deal breaker but I am sure you folks will have more excuses for that too.

No one is fallen into the Andriod fan camp here lol. I've never owned any Andriod phones in the past, but did owned 5-6 iPhones.

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Again, neither article contains any facts that support your claims.

Really? Apple sells 48 million iPhones, but profit squeezed? I wonder why...

Also:
At present, Google's Android is dominating the mobile market by making up for 60% of shipments. Apple holds only 19% of this market.

Samsung and HTC have raised the bar of innovation and technology by manufacturing smarter devices, whereas Apple's iPhone is losing its position since its launch in 2007.

Apple needs to improvise its product growth as the iPhone user interface is outdated and its hardware requires revival.

Did you actually read them?:rolleyes:
 
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nizmoz

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You clearly do not have any idea what you are talking about. Maybe what you said makes sense if you only look at photos you take on the iPhones tiny screen. If that's the case it's all but impossible to tell a difference from an iPhone 4 photo to an iPhone 5 photo. Put the same imagines on a computer screen and there is a difference.

I do apologize I shouldn't have humored a conversation with you. You are worried only about the specs that clearly wouldn't matter to you. Retina display is perfect, mono speaker is perfect, 8 mp camera is perfect. I guess if you aim low you'll never be disappointed.

I know exactly what I am talking about. I use to own SLR cameras. You obviously have no clue like others here. I am done because a few here refuse to look at the facts and instead state opinion as fact. :rolleyes:
 

Fanaticalism

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The point is that you are still wrong, you just keep digging yourself deeper.

The key in your quote as well is that they are stating what they prefer, not what necessarily is better.

Perfect contrast would mean perfect black levels (0 luminance) which LCD sucks at and good peak light output (biggest strength due to backlight).
 

Tinmania

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I know exactly what I am talking about. I use to own SLR cameras. You obviously have no clue like others here. I am done because a few here refuse to look at the facts and instead state opinion as fact. :rolleyes:
Yea it is always "others" and never you--or all you "used to own." ;)

Please trot out the "look it up" mantra. It's been like a whole day now and kinda miss it.




Michael
 

Fanaticalism

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Now your just being silly. You mentioned photographers earlier and they can tell you there is much more important things then megapixels.

Why wasn't the iPhone 5 8 megapixel camera a deal breaker when the S4 has a 13 megapixel camera?

Exactly, you can buy a $100 P&S that has more MP than a 1k DSLR. I guess that would make the P&S better. :cool:
 
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BaldiMac

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Really? Apple sells 48 million iPhones, but profit squeezed? I wonder why...

You don't need to wonder. Apple was very clear about it. Profits were squeezed by the lower margins on the iPad mini and increased cost related to a complete revamp of their product lines entering the holiday quarter.

Nothing here to support your claims.

Also:
At present, Google's Android is dominating the mobile market by making up for 60% of shipments. Apple holds only 19% of this market.

This may be a fact, but it doesn't support any of your claims.

Samsung and HTC have raised the bar of innovation and technology by manufacturing smarter devices, whereas Apple's iPhone is losing its position since its launch in 2007.

Apple needs to improvise its product growth as the iPhone user interface is outdated and its hardware requires revival.

Did you actually read them?:rolleyes:

I did actually read them. These statements are, again, opinion, not fact.

Did you miss the line about how Apple had the second most profitable quarter by any public company ever?
 

tjl3

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Do you have a clue what you are talking about really? I am talking about the HTC One and the IPhone 5. Neither are amoled. The S4 is amoled, but not the HTC One or I5. Sorry why don't you go look it up.

I was speaking on your assertion that PPI = better screen. And I've said from day 1 that the HTC One has the best screen on the market, but it is not that big of a difference (aside from the size) in my experience. And the GS4 is awfully close when it's brightness is tuned up b/c the colors are extraordinary.

If not... They are going to lose more customers. The 5 was a small upgrade from the 4S to compete with HTC and Samsung.

No, why do people always assume they are losing customers but not gaining... And we are purely speaking on customers, not profit. But the truth is that every quarter they net more and more customers. For every user that migrates to a different platform, they have one that joins.

Samsung and HTC have raised the bar of innovation and technology by manufacturing smarter devices, whereas Apple's iPhone is losing its position since its launch in 2007.

For all the 'innovation' both companies are putting out, a lot of people seem to have been interested in the Google version of these phones, which strips away said 'innovation.'
 

cynics

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I know exactly what I am talking about. I use to own SLR cameras. You obviously have no clue like others here. I am done because a few here refuse to look at the facts and instead state opinion as fact. :rolleyes:

I'm just stating the obvious. You said the stereo speakers were a waste regardless if the sound is better, the screen is worse even if it has higher PPI and similar color accuracy, the one was amoled, then the megapixels were too low but the S4 is unnecessarily high.

Maybe you are right though, its everyone else that's wrong not just you. :rolleyes: . However I think you are incorrect when you say you're done. :)
 

blairh

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Hi, I've been an iPhone fan for a long time and currently have a iPhone 4S but my 2 years contracts up so I am going to sell the 4S and get a new iPhone. Normally I would just upgrade to the 5 or wait for the 5S or the 6, but once I played with the HTC One and the Samsung Galaxy, my jaw dropped... Those two phones are way better than what Apple can offer us right now in every aspects. Same price but you get a better product and more features.

I really don't think Apple will skip iPhone 5S and make the 6, the 5S will probably just be a small upgrade from the 5 with same size of screen... They can't still compete the 5S with the HTC and Galaxy... What do you guys think? Hopefully some of you can change my mind not giving up on Apple phones.

Get an Android phone. If you don't like it, return it and get the iPhone 5.
 

maxosx

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Currently I'm using & enjoying both the HTC One & Galaxy S4. In addition I also use my iPhone 5. Not one to rely on others opinions & "facts", I'd rather buy the phones and live with them for a month or two, that's how I find out how well they fit my workflow, preferences & lifestyle.

Functionality is of greater importance that looks or materials since I use mine, not put them on display. Nor do I care what phone "I'm seen with".

Each of these three are excellent. People who trash iOS or Android do it to fill some insecurity or need to "belong" to a certain group. True enthusiasts don't need to trash the competition, nor make up stories about a phone they've never owned. Instead they enjoy discussing the various features & differences.

Apple is not going to kill off Samsung or Google, nor will they kill off Apple. Why people get so dramatic & go "Thermonuclear" like Jobs stated is nothing more than a display of unresolved conflict in their lives. It's also immature.

There's plenty of business for everyone, if the companies sales volume & profits matters enough to include in your decision making, then once again it's an emotional thing because none of that matters when it comes to where, why, and how one uses the product.

I had two phones before the iPhone & Android models were reality & I,ll continue to have two no matter what. That's what works for me, and that's all that matters.
 

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The key in your quote as well is that they are stating what they prefer, not what necessarily is better.

Perfect contrast would mean perfect black levels (0 luminance) which LCD sucks at and good peak light output (biggest strength due to backlight).

1. The HTCX one super lcd and apple ips is pretty much the same but different to amoled.

2. Retina is just a name given to a certain pixel level.

3. The HTC one has a much higher pixel count.

4. There's no way the htc one is more pixelated as claimed.

5. The HTC one has the edge big time for now in this area.

6. I do not see apple increasing the pixel count for the 55 as that would pretty much make the term retina meaningless as they decided retina for this phone is 326 px.

Apple is not going to kill off Samsung or Google, nor will they kill off Apple. Why people get so dramatic & go "Thermonuclear" like Jobs stated is nothing more than a display of unresolved conflict in their lives. It's also immature.

Exactly. Some seem to think a brand > a family member. None of the companies care about anything other than making money.
 

sectime

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What? I am not sure what you are trying to say. Playing catch up? Take a look at some reviews, and even the HTC One thread on this forum. A lot of the people posting are people that had iphone 5s. They are all saying the display on the One is better. Again I will ask what about PPI? Does that not matter any more because Apple does not have the best number any more?
Are you posting from the future? Nobody I know have a iPhone 5s yet. :)
The one is newer than the 5 so one would hope it has better tech. My point was, at what point does PPI increase cease to matter? The one's display looking better at normal viewing distance has very little to do with PPI. I guess it matters to you though it certainly doesn't to me I find spec flamewars childish and boring. I liked what Larry Page said at IO2013.
 

LorPGDL

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the one's screen is sharper than the iphone's screen and it can be seen by the naked eye.

dont let apples marketing spiel fool you, 300 ppi is not the limit.
 

bmac4

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Are you posting from the future? Nobody I know have a iPhone 5s yet. :)
The one is newer than the 5 so one would hope it has better tech. My point was, at what point does PPI increase cease to matter? The one's display looking better at normal viewing distance has very little to do with PPI. I guess it matters to you though it certainly doesn't to me I find spec flamewars childish and boring. I liked what Larry Page said at IO2013.

I really don't care about PPI. I was just saying that Apple fans use to throw that in people faces all the time. I just care what looks better. From what I had heard the Ones display does look better. I have not seen the One in person, but I would expect it to be better being that it 8 months newer.
 

TommyA6

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the one's screen is sharper than the iphone's screen and it can be seen by the naked eye.

dont let apples marketing spiel fool you, 300 ppi is not the limit.

Sure it isn't, that's why iPhone 5 has 326 ppi :rolleyes: .
On a serious note, all I'm saying is that the difference between iphone 5's and HTC one's screen isn't that noticable in terms of sharpness from a relatively normal viewing distance (around 10"). You could maybe see the difference if you glued your face to the screen.
In terms of color accuracy, viewing angels, brightness you can't really do better that the iPhone 5. (S4 has a higher contrast ratio and smaller brightness drop when viewed at angles, but has a bigger color shift, less accurate colors overall)
 
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