Is this the end of iPhone?

[DeathChill]

worldwide sales figures for the smartphone category show Android in general at 75 percent of the market.

as a smartphone vendor, Apple is also in second place. for q1 Apple sold 18 million units. Samsung sold 30 million.

so by which of these measures is it the best selling phone?

these aren't my numbers, they are the Gartner Group numbers.

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the best way to kill sales of your current product is to announce a new model that isn't shipping for 3 months.

I'm not sure what your numbers mean because Apple sold 37 million iPhones in Q2 2013 and Samsung sold more than 30 million smartphones in that same period (I believe it's estimated at 64 million). However, that's all of Samsung's phones so not really a direct comparison.

 

[zbarvian]

No, this isn't the end of the iPhone. But if they release a 5S (they'd be wise to brand it "6" even if there's no new design), then I imagine sales might dip.

 

[Toltepeceno]

It's certainly better at some things -- which I would expect since the iPhone 5 has been on the market since September of last year and the HTC one has been out for just a few months now.

As long as phones are not released on the exact same day then that will be the argument. Comparing whatever flagship phone is out in each company will always be done though.

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Android is now the biggest OS on the market in terms of smartphones, probably due to the fact that there is such a wide variety of phones out there and obviously with the iPhone there is only the 5.

At this moment in time the Android alternatives are clearly superior to that of the i5, but let's not forget that the i5 is technically old in terms of the rate new phones are coming out. I'd wait to see what the i5S is like and then make a decision.

I say just pick one and go with it. Wait until october to see the 5s, then another android is on the verge. The waiting game can go on and on, I've played it before.

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Was iPhone 4S released middle of October 2011? It's may 15 2013.

How can the OP say his 2 year contract is up?

He's got 5 more months to go. That's a long way unless they want to pay their ETF.

Some can upgrade early, I did back when I did contracts.

 

[Toltepeceno]

FACT is it's better than it use to be, but it still is not RETINA quality.

Um, retina is just a brand name apple came up with that relates to pixel density, it's nothing special that's done to the display. Apple's Retina for the iphone is 326 ppi. The HTC one is 468 ppi. Retina just means a ppi level set by apple. You are right, it's not retina quality but better. You might as well stop, you lost it on that one.

Retina Display is a brand name used by Apple for liquid crystal displays which they claim have a high enough pixel density that the human eye is unable to notice pixelation at a typical viewing distance. The term is used for several Apple products, including the iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad, and MacBook Pro.[1] As the typical viewing distance would be different depending on each device's usage, the pixels per inch claimed to be of retina quality can be different for the smallest devices (326, iPhone and iPod Touch), greater than the mid-sized devices (264, iPad) and greater than the larger devices (220, MacBook Pro).

When introducing the iPhone 4, Steve Jobs said the magic number for a retina display is about 300 PPI for a device held 10 to 12 inches from the eye.

The HTC One has taken the pixel density crown, leaving phones like Retina iPhone 5 in the dust.
First, to get a sense of the HTC One screen's density, a quick comparison to Microsoft's Surface Pro, which has also been praised for its display chops, puts this into perspective.
The Surface Pro packs a resolution of 1,920x1,080 into a 10.6-inch panel. One of the highest pixel densities (208 pixels per inch, to be exact) for a Windows 8 PC to date.
The HTC One packs that same resolution (1,920x1,080) into a 4.7-inch screen. That's more than 2 million pixels, yielding 468 pixels per inch (ppi).

A same size phone with 326 ppi bade by any company would be "retina" as that's all it pertains to. Many seem to think it's a "magic" or "special" screen, but it's just 326 ppi. Of course they trademarked the name, so nobody else will be able to use it even if it's exactly the same 326 ppi screen. That way people will continue to say, "But, but, it's not Retina" even if it's higher ppi. Smart move by apple.

 

[adnbek]

worldwide sales figures for the smartphone category show Android in general at 75 percent of the market.

You realize there are thousands upon thousands of different handsets running Android right? That market share is impressive until you break it down and see that a good majority of the phones that comprise this statistic is in the mid to low-end category of phones that sell for cheap.

as a smartphone vendor, Apple is also in second place. for q1 Apple sold 18 million units. Samsung sold 30 million.

so by which of these measures is it the best selling phone?

Same as above. That 30 million is for all the phones Samsung sells, not just the premium Galaxy and Note lines. In 2013 alone, Samsung has release at least 15 different models of phones, only 2 of which are "premium" while the rest being low-end. Want to have your mind blown? Here's all of them. Don't forget to go to the next pages...

I'd say iPhone is doing very well if they can sell that many with only 2-3 models. And it is still the best selling if you look here.

 

[Fanaticalism]

Really? HTC better build? I think not. Better screen? No. Bigger yes. Better camera? Not per the pictures I have been seeing.

Okay, so it has two speakers vs one....

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1) They need a faster processor to prevent the serious lag that android phones have. iOS is very smooth and fast with the dual core and performs faster than some faster phones. Hint. S3.

2) More customizable? I guess if people are into that, but most are not. Most want a phone that works well all the time without having to customize it to get it to work properly. The iPhone wins every time here.

3) iPhone has a IPS Retina display. IPS displays are the best ones in the market for color accuracy and people who are into photography. Bigger is not always better. Clearer is better.

4) The camera. The iphone 5 camera is the one to beat. It has been the best one in the market and all the pictures I see from the HTC One do not show it's better.

5) IR blaster, really? Waste.

6) Speakers, only use mine for the ringer or videos. Don't care if it's stereo, don't care if it's loud (the iphone is very loud and clear). So what. A gimmick and adds weight.

IPS display technology has nothing to do with color accuracy. Color accuracy is a component of the color filters and decoders. The advantage of IPS is greater viewing angles at the expense of contrast which both are inherent weaknesses of LCD technology.

 

[iRetired]

"The End Is Near"

Ah, some homeless guy had that sign today.

 

[John Kotches]

You realize there are thousands upon thousands of different handsets running Android right? That market share is impressive until you break it down and see that a good majority of the phones that comprise this statistic is in the mid to low-end category of phones that sell for cheap.

Of course I know this. That's the beauty of Android, it isn't dependent on any one vendor.

The walled garden is lovely, but the cost of entry is too dear for most in the world.

Same as above. That 30 million is for all the phones Samsung sells, not just the premium Galaxy and Note lines. In 2013 alone, Samsung has release at least 15 different models of phones, only 2 of which are "premium" while the rest being low-end. Want to have your mind blown? Here's all of them. Don't forget to go to the next pages...

And given that Samsung passed then in Q1 of this year says it's a winning strategy. Greater then 3:1 sadness in the ecosystems is a very telling story.

I'd say iPhone is doing very well if they can sell that many with only 2-3 models. And it is still the best selling if you look here.

See above re: ecosystems.

 

[bmac4]

Sounds to me you are the one being defensive. I looked at a One last weekend in Dallas when I was there. Wasn't impressed.

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So WHAT if it's 1080p. That means jack. You can have a 720p plasma vs a 1080p LCD. Guess what usually the PLASMA looks better.

Again, 1080p does not get around the pixels showing at close range. Put the phone close to your face and you will see them but not on the iphone. FACT is it's better than it use to be, but it still is not RETINA quality.

Retina is just some made up Apple word. What do you that PPI means? The One blows the iphone out of the water with PPI. I don't see how more PPI does not scream better screen. Apple and it fans use to love to talk about PPI. Does that not matter any more?

 

[sectime]

Retina is just some made up Apple word. What do you that PPI means? The One blows the iphone out of the water with PPI. I don't see on more PPI does not scream better screen. Apple and it fans use to love to talk about PPI. Does that not matter any more?

HTC playing catchup and over doing the spec, anybody who understands real world display specs just yawns.

 

[bmac4]

HTC playing catchup and over doing the spec, anybody who understands real world display specs just yawns.

What? I am not sure what you are trying to say. Playing catch up? Take a look at some reviews, and even the HTC One thread on this forum. A lot of the people posting are people that had iphone 5s. They are all saying the display on the One is better. Again I will ask what about PPI? Does that not matter any more because Apple does not have the best number any more?

 

[Switchback666]

Mate did Macs ever "ended" ? Worst case scenario Apple goes back to niche market mode and thats not a nad thing at all BUT the brand became huge so i doubt that will ever happend.

 

[LaunchpadBS]

I was talking about HTC-One and S4...

I was talking about the Android OS experience, the hardware specs have almost become irrelevant, unless ur a tech geek with a major case of 1UP

 

[tjl3]

Retina is just some made up Apple word. What do you that PPI means? The One blows the iphone out of the water with PPI. I don't see how more PPI does not scream better screen. Apple and it fans use to love to talk about PPI. Does that not matter any more?

I could argue that the GS4 has the best display of all, but it has a lower ppi than the HTC One

Also, I just upgraded to a 60" Panasonic plasma, from a 42" Samsung LCD. The ppi is a lot lower on the Panasonic, but it's one of the best displays on the market!

 

[nizmoz]

Um, retina is just a brand name apple came up with that relates to pixel density, it's nothing special that's done to the display. Apple's Retina for the iphone is 326 ppi. The HTC one is 468 ppi. Retina just means a ppi level set by apple. You are right, it's not retina quality but better. You might as well stop, you lost it on that one.







A same size phone with 326 ppi bade by any company would be "retina" as that's all it pertains to. Many seem to think it's a "magic" or "special" screen, but it's just 326 ppi. Of course they trademarked the name, so nobody else will be able to use it even if it's exactly the same 326 ppi screen. That way people will continue to say, "But, but, it's not Retina" even if it's higher ppi. Smart move by apple.

The point is its an IPS panel. That is what makes the difference.

 

[LorPGDL]

end of the iphone? kim jong un disagrees.

 

[TommyA6]

Retina is just some made up Apple word. What do you that PPI means? The One blows the iphone out of the water with PPI. I don't see how more PPI does not scream better screen. Apple and it fans use to love to talk about PPI. Does that not matter any more?

HTC one certainly has a sharper screen, but the difference between iPhone's 326 ppi and one's 470 ppi isn't THAT noticable . It isn't like going from non retina to retina for sure. After passing 300 or so ppi (non pentile) the advantage of additional pixels starts to diminish. Comparing all of those high class screens, I'd rather measure color accuracy, outdoor readability, viewing angels etc. , than brag about being able to glue my phone to my face and not being able to see pixels.
Take this test for example. Clearly you can see that iPhone 5 has a top of the range screen, which is in fact one of the best if not the best one out there. (excluding ppi of course)

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/S...-Z-vs-One-vs-Galaxy-S-III-vs-Lumia-920_id3286

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJmgIpArXxk

 

[bmac4]

I could argue that the GS4 has the best display of all, but it has a lower ppi than the HTC One

Also, I just upgraded to a 60" Panasonic plasma, from a 42" Samsung LCD. The ppi is a lot lower on the Panasonic, but it's one of the best displays on the market!

So now PPI does not matter cool. This is typical Apple fan. Something become way less important if Apple does not have the best in the business.

Also are the HTC One and iphone 5 the same type of screen? They are both LCD, so you example of plasma and LCD does not work. Everyone says plasma looks better, but when we have the same type of screen things like PPI become more important. I have seen reviews that say the One's display has the natural color representation of any phone. Also that 1080p is the sharpest screen they have ever seen. I don't know sounds kind of like the iphone retina display is not the best any more.

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HTC one certainly has a sharper screen, but the difference between iPhone's 326 ppi and one's 470 ppi isn't THAT noticable . It isn't like going from non retina to retina for sure. After passing 300 or so ppi (non pentile) the advantage of additional pixels starts to diminish. Comparing all of those high class screens, I'd rather measure color accuracy, outdoor readability, viewing angels etc. , than brag about being able to glue my phone to my face and not being able to see pixels.
Take this test for example. Clearly you can see that iPhone 5 has a top of the range screen, which is in fact one of the best if not the best one out there. (excluding ppi of course)

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/S...-Z-vs-One-vs-Galaxy-S-III-vs-Lumia-920_id3286

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJmgIpArXxk

I know the iphone 5 screen is still amazing, but like you said the HTC One is sharper. This has not been the case in a phone since the retina came out. I think sharpness is just one of the many areas the One screen is better.

 

[cynics]

HTC playing catchup and over doing the spec, anybody who understands real world display specs just yawns.

The Motorola Droid 1 had a higher PPI then the iPhone 3GS by a large margin. Was the iPhone 4 playing catch up then?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

When viewing direct comparisons between the HTC One, SS4, and iPhone 5, there really is very little in it in terms of screen quality. They all seem to have their pro's and con's. The iPhone apparently has the truest colour and best when in outdoor conditions for viewing. The SS4 has the most vibrant colours when viewing photo's and of course is bigger. The HTC One has the most PPI but appears dimmer than the other two etc etc.

Why people are arguing over such silly little details is beyond me. My screen is better than yours nah nah nah nah nah!!! lol

 

[cynics]

Sounds to me you are the one being defensive. I looked at a One last weekend in Dallas when I was there. Wasn't impressed.

I'm an iPhone user so I maybe I am? I would never own an HTC phone again. But I also won't stick my head in the sand and pretend that my preference is better in every way compared to the competition.

 

[zipster]

That's where iPhone takes the cake. They make sure it is perfected upon release, and that the features work AS PLANNED.

LOL, bye. Not you forgetting antenna-gate, APPLE MAPS...

 

[zipster]

The only pull Apple has on the industry is that they were 'first' and the name.

There are so many Android 'flagships', whereas there is one iPhone. It has also become a popularity thing. Quality apps are coming to Android everyday. Google's set of cloud features is way more impressive than Apple's.

 

[nizmoz]

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME TYPE OF SCREEN. One is AMOLED and one is IPS. Big difference in technology. Look it up.

So now PPI does not matter cool. This is typical Apple fan. Something become way less important if Apple does not have the best in the business.

Also are the HTC One and iphone 5 the same type of screen? They are both LCD, so you example of plasma and LCD does not work. Everyone says plasma looks better, but when we have the same type of screen things like PPI become more important. I have seen reviews that say the One's display has the natural color representation of any phone. Also that 1080p is the sharpest screen they have ever seen. I don't know sounds kind of like the iphone retina display is not the best any more.

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I know the iphone 5 screen is still amazing, but like you said the HTC One is sharper. This has not been the case in a phone since the retina came out. I think sharpness is just one of the many areas the One screen is better.

 

[bmac4]

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME TYPE OF SCREEN. One is AMOLED and one is IPS. Big difference in technology. Look it up.

Do you have a clue what you are talking about really? I am talking about the HTC One and the IPhone 5. Neither are amoled. The S4 is amoled, but not the HTC One or I5. Sorry why don't you go look it up.