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ToddH

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Are the Moment camera app ProRAW images 48MP?
Yes it is and so is Heif. You’ll have to turn it on in settings, “prefer 48mp” and set photo quality to “quality” and heif set to compression quality 100%. This is a pro app, it does a lot of things.
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ToddH

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So… have any of you read or received any information regarding the ProRAW camera quality issues and if a “fix” is coming? Third party apps help, but is not as good as it needs to be.
 
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So… have any of you read or received any information regarding the ProRAW camera quality issues and if a “fix” is coming? Third party apps help, but is not as good as it needs to be.

I have not. I have been checking beta threads to see if someone mentions camera related things/improvements, but doesn’t seem like it.
But maybe someone running beta could chime in if there are any improvements.
 

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Changes unlikely. It has been the same since 15 Pro released.

I do have an open bug report with Apple and some good connections to the engineering team that I try to use to get this fixed.
I had two 15 pro max iPhones and neither of them had these issues with the camera. My natural titanium iPhone performs better than the desert titanium pro max camera. I really think it’s a focusing issue at infinity because some third party apps help with image quality. If Apple decides never to fix it, then I will just replace the phone. According to ZolloTech on YouTube, there will probably be some minor updates prior to 8.1 release. if you recall the Apple engineers sent out a fix for the 5X camera on the 15 pro max to focus accurately on smaller objects because it wasn’t focusing too well on distant small objects until after that update was released. I believe if enough people raise awareness, then it will get fixed. I will look for 18.0.2 to come out, will check today.
 

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What's the difference between both? I'm very confused
Not sure.. I would skip these, get Pro camera by Moment. It’s way more advanced. I tested the second link again by downloading, I’ve had this app before, it still kind of sucks. The quality of the 5x is still horrible. I don’t recommend the app. The three below are the best

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pro-camera-by-moment/id927098908

This ProCam is excellent

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/procam-capture-proraw-photos/id1562150140

Luwain is very good also. Camera has amazing clarity

 
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Has anyone had any success with restoring the iPhone in the last few days to fix the issue with the camera on iPhone 16 pro & pro max? I have this issue with my desert, titanium iPhone, but my natural titanium iPhone does not have this issue. Got them both on release date. At this point, I don’t know if I should contact Apple and make an appointment and maybe get another phone or try to restore to see if it makes any difference. The desert titanium iPhone that I’m having issues with will work perfectly fine using manual focus on the Pro camera by Moment App. Watching the photo update after taking it seems like the stacked images that the Apple software applies doesn’t get completed when using ProRaw format. Heif files don’t look any better. I think it’s both a software and focusing issue with the camera and the new sensor because I mostly have issues with distant objects, like trees and tree limbs and buildings, etc. But when I focus manually, the images are cleaner. They’re still an issue, but it’s better.I Don’t understand why one phone works fine and the other does not. I should’ve waited until the second batch of iPhones came out like I did last year and get a better phone.
 
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I completed a full restore on my iPhone and it did not charge the quality of the proraw files from the camera. After my disappointment, I restored my encrypted backup. Hopefully 18.1 will make a difference because current beta software isn’t a good indicator of bug fixes like the final public release will be.
 
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I really doubt there will be any change at all to the ProRAW 48 quality. Apple just does not seem to care about this. I have done a thorough bug report at the Feedback Assistant and received zero feedback or questions regarding the issue. I guess it is quite rare that users shoot ProRAW 48 and Apple has more critical bugs to solve than this one.

Pretty sad. I really miss the performance I had on my iPhone 14 Pro Max.
 

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I have an open case with assistance, about this issue. After sending multiple images and screenshots and screen recordings they told me that , the camera and photos engineers are investigating. They dont know whats is the problem or when it will bee resolved, they told me that yesterday.
Truly unacceptable and fallacious marketing. They cant promote their devices with excepcional photo capabilities, when those critical bugs in something basic like camera, are showing without any solution so far.

Ps: 18.2 did not solved this issue. Tried ,and same thing. Unbelievable!
 

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I have an open case with assistance, about this issue. After sending multiple images and screenshots and screen recordings they told me that , the camera and photos engineers are investigating. They dont know whats is the problem or when it will bee resolved, they told me that yesterday.
Truly unacceptable and fallacious marketing. They cant promote their devices with excepcional photo capabilities, when those critical bugs in something basic like camera, are showing without any solution so far.

Ps: 18.2 did not solved this issue. Tried ,and same thing. Unbelievable!
18.2 beta 1 was probably branched off from 18.1 a while ago, meaning they took something like 18.1 developer beta 5 and added new 18.2 features to it. So in a way 18.2 beta 1 is “older” than 18.1 RC and this is consistently true when a new .x beta comes out and people notice the modem firmware drops down.

If there’s any fix coming it would probably show up in 18.2 beta 2 or 3
 
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I think I have to correct my statements earlier. The full restore of my iPhone last night did seem to help the ProRAW files on my phone. The way I can tell is the sharpness is better. The focus is better. For example, when you open up a photo that you just took in ProRAW you can see the animation of the photo as the layers stack themselves before the final images complete after about two seconds. Prior to the restore, this happened fairly quickly and it looked like a few steps were missing compared to my other iPhone 16 Pro Max. After the restore, the ProRAW animation takes longer now and the images match exactly to my natural titanium 16 Pro Max. Before, the photo quality didn’t look the same, one was worse than the other in this case it was the desert titanium that was worse. This morning with multiple tests during the day with distant objects, like trees and buildings, I can take the same exact photo with both phones and zoom in to 400% and they are identical. I’ll have to do more tests later just to verify and to be 100% sure. I will keep you guys updated.
 

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I tried everything, including that, the pixelization (ProRaw Max- Native app), when zooming to 100% or more persists, and it is a problem identified and being already investigated.

Look at the difference, between native camera and ProCam.
 

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ToddH

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I tried everything, including that, the pixelization (ProRaw Max- Native app), when zooming to 100% or more persists, and it is a problem identified and being already investigated.

Look at the difference, between native camera and ProCam.
Oh yeah, I remember you mentioning that you spoke with Apple engineers. Have you tried a restore like I did? I would at least give it a try if you haven’t. Otherwise, hopefully software will fix it. If not, a replacement hopefully will be in the works for you. my photo quality has definitely improved and I no longer feel that I have to favor one iPhone over the other due to the camera quality. Restoring the iPhone and pulling a fresh iOS 18.0.1 download and installing it on your phone instead of it being an upgrade seem to have helped.
 
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nunolikeapple

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I tried everything, including restoring various times. With iCloud account and without. Factory reset, Installed IPWS via Mac. Nothing.

Tried another 3 16PM from friends and family and all they showed this exactly problematic. (Pixellation) in the same exact conductions.

The assistant escalated this issue and told me that they are informed (engineers from photos and camera department) with this anomaly, and it will be solved in a future update.

But the real question is when.
 

ToddH

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Well, I’m still continually testing my camera after the restore and so far it’s back to normal. No more fuzzy or pixelated images especially when taking photos of pine trees, etc. from a thousand feet away. I can enjoy my camera again on this iPhone, desert titanium 16 Pro Max.
 
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