It doesn't even need to be outside the U.S. AT&T still offers iPhone 6s and 7 to customers. Apple is clearly still producing these models new. Regardless of the region, there are low-cost customers.
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Other It’s weird Apple kept the 11 in the lineup
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It doesn't even need to be outside the U.S. AT&T still offers iPhone 6s and 7 to customers. Apple is clearly still producing these models new. Regardless of the region, there are low-cost customers.
iPhone 11 is the best selling smartphone in 2020. It outsold the XR by +50% in the same period in 2019.
I think you're the one who is missing the point if you don't think camera is a big seller.
AFAIK the leaks from Minchi kuo and some others aren't that the SE plus will be an iPhone 8 plus with updated internals, but instead with the 11/xr body, touch ID in the power button, LCD display, a14 etc. Basically an updated 11/XR with touch ID and a budget price.
The 11 outsold the XR. I wouldn't recommend the XR to anyone honestly, I think the updates listed for the 11 are easily worth £100, not to mention the extra year of updates which is important for an average consumer who wants to hold onto their phone for many years. The 12 has a much higher price point and is completely outside the midrange price range, the 12 mini will be too small for a lot of people. If you want a reasonably sized and priced midrange iPhone then 11 is the best option.
Good list. Some others.
Improved a13 processor.
Improved portrait mode which works on humans, pets and objects.
"Slowfies".
Improved water resistance to a depth of 2 metres.
Dolby atmos sound.
U1 chip.
QuickTake video recording shortcut.
Improved, 2nd gen hdr.
256gb option (discontinued for the XR).
Launch price was 50 cheaper than the XR's.
I was looking up phone values yesterday, and on the used market the 11 wasn't much below the new price from Apple was. That will have to change.
Including the 11 pro/max would have overlapped prices. Older model being more expensive than some new models (though, if you count storage options, that may still be the case).
Whether the 11 outsells the 12 depends on whether customers go mostly by price, or if they are buying for "5G".
Also add WiFi 6 to this.
The iPhone 11 brought a lot of stuff the 12 is simply improving on or has the same of.
These are all tiny differences and tweaks that literally nobody would even know was there. I would imagine both will be supported possibly for the next 10 years so the extra year of support is pointless
now as for 11 to 12, that is a huge upgrade. Like actual features and design. Therefore you’d either pony up for the 12 or get the XR. Literally no point in selling the 11
Thank heavens for that. Would have been pretty embarrassing to release that surfboard 8+ design in 2021, it dated in 2017 was arguably bad even in 2014
I would be surprised if this was true. Either way, that is not the point. The point is that now that the 12 is here, the 11 sits in a pointless position in the lineup. You’d either get the XR or 12
There are over a dozen upgrades, many of which are significant and are obviously features. To say the things above aren't features shows you're a troll. The only thing which wasn't upgraded from the XR>11 is the display resolution, which is identical 828p.
The 11 destroyed the XR in sales, and I guarantee it will continue to do so for the rest of 2020 and into 2021. The XR is the oddball of the entire line up, worse in features than the 11, worse processor than the iPhone SE. If you want a flagship you get one of the 12s. If you want a midrange you get the 11. If you want a budget phone you get the SE. The XR brings nothing beneficial or unique to the table and sits in an awkward position. I wouldn't recommend anyone buy a brand new XR in 2020.
Yup well said. Touch ID would be a very welcome feature as the plenty of comments on the forum have shown, especially in the current situation.
This forum has become a hotbed for trolls in the last 2-3 months
More so than last year.
We had the one guy who was complaining about 12 series being delayed, then the guy with the crappy lg who was creating endless threads about his lg’s video recording, and now this.
LOLAbsolutely agreed, the iPhone 11 obliterated Xr sales, it would be truly stupid for Apple to stop selling the 11.
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So your premise is, cameras don't matter? And people will only choose between XR ($499) and 12 ($829)?
Put it this way, if cameras and price didn't mean anything to most consumers, there would be no "Pro" iPhone.
Look at the chart below. The 11 significantly outsold the XR when comparing the same period.
They are extremely insignificant upgrades that the vast majority of users would not notice. It is a widely acknowledged fact that the upgrade from the XR to the the 11 was probably the smallest between any two iPhones in history
I also disagree with the second paragraph. There is no way that anyone should buy an SE in 2020, it is old old tech and frankly a complete and utter embarrassment that Apple sell it. Therefore the only phone to consider in that price range would be the XR
To all the posters saying that the 11 outsold the XR in 2020, well yes that might well be true seeing as it was the latest model. But now that neither are the latest model, it seems strange that anyone would buy it when you could either pony up for the 12, or save some cash by getting an almost identical phone for less money. I don’t know why that is so difficult for people to grasp
By the way OP, if you really think the XR will get another 10 years of support. Then you're going to be disappointed. The longest an iPhone has ever received IOS support for is the 4S, which received 7 years. And that's an outlier. The average is closer to 4-5 years. iPhone XR will not be receiving IOS updates in 2030 lol.
No it isn't, most reviews call the 11>XR a decent upgrade. Improved ram, chip, 2nd camera, upgraded main camera, more battery, the fact that the 11 at launch received a price cut and was cheaper than the XR at launch despite being an obvious improvement, etc etc, is not "extremely insignificant", literally, everything was improved except the display. You obviously just dislike all phones except the XR, and your comments about the SE show this. The 11 sucks, the SE sucks, the iPhone 8 plus sucks, the 12 is too expensive. Only the XR is amazing? This loyalty to a very specific, and very forgettable iteration of a phone is bizarre.
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Indeed. And an update to these numbers for the entire 1st half of 2020 shows the 11 outselling the Xr even further and also the SE outselling the Xr to.
The trend is that the average length of support is increasing. The 4S certainly did not get 7 years of support by the way. The 6S will have had 6 years and counting. The XR is a dramatically more powerful phone so it’s not a huge stretch to say that it would be supported for 10 years