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akash.nu

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So you're saying Xcode is a good IDE?

We don’t get major issues other than the certificates sometimes getting messed up. Plus the developers documentation is actually way better compared to what’s available for Android and we’ve found it to be faster to integrate with systems on iOS.
 

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Michael Goff

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We don’t get major issues other than the certificates sometimes getting messed up. Plus the developers documentation is actually way better compared to what’s available for Android and we’ve found it to be faster to integrate with systems on iOS.

You're one of the only people I've ever read that doesn't have major complaints about Xcode being terrible compared to Android Studio.

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KingslayerG5

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Where I live, what I see is...

70% Apple
25% Samsung
5% Other

I rarely see any person in the SoCal region that isn't using an iPhone or a Galaxy.

The one that received the most curiosity for me is the ugly Google Pixel. Two different T-Mobile locations, two employees wanted to check it out. My LGs have also drawn glances for its WALL-E looking rears.
 

Mildredop

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In addition, iOS is so stale and restrictive now, the HW is fab but iOS needs really work.

I know one person who has bought an X. I watched jealously as she unboxed it and even had a pang of "Maybe I should switch". She turned it on and we both made an audible "Huh": the new shiny thing immediately became the stale old thing when that wall of age-old iOS icons appeared. And it reminded me that the larger the iPhone's screen gets, the more icons you have to look at every day.

She carried on playing with it and spent a significant amount of time trying to display the battery percentage. Google eventually told her that was no longer an option. She tried the camera. And then put it in her pocket.

Excitement over.

Not seen her since she bought it. I wonder if she still has it?!
 

akash.nu

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May 26, 2016
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I know one person who has bought an X. I watched jealously as she unboxed it and even had a pang of "Maybe I should switch". She turned it on and we both made an audible "Huh": the new shiny thing immediately became the stale old thing when that wall of age-old iOS icons appeared. And it reminded me that the larger the iPhone's screen gets, the more icons you have to look at every day.

She carried on playing with it and spent a significant amount of time trying to display the battery percentage. Google eventually told her that was no longer an option. She tried the camera. And then put it in her pocket.

Excitement over.

Not seen her since she bought it. I wonder if she still has it?!

What’s the problem with icons now?! That’s the best and easiest way to get to any app.
 

akash.nu

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Ever heard of widgets?

Ever heard of cluttered home screen and draining of battery because of poorly implemented widgets?

Ps. There’s widgets on iOS as well. Copying for the sake of it is not a good idea.
 

Puddled

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Ever heard of cluttered home screen and draining of battery because of poorly implemented widgets?
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Ps. There’s widgets on iOS as well. Copying for the sake of it is not a good idea.

Yea, Poor coding is as common, (if not more so) in IOS as it is in Android, but as we are constantly told on this forum, you can't judge the experience based on the outliers.

Most widgets are relatively benign. I've never come across one which has stood out as a battery drain on my phone, but then again i only use well established ones. I agree about copying. IOS widgets should have been copied much better from Android. Apple did a really poor job there.

As for cluttered homescreen, you are having a laugh if you think a screen full of app icons is a good idea
 

Phil A.

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Ever heard of cluttered home screen and draining of battery because of poorly implemented widgets?

Ps. There’s widgets on iOS as well. Copying for the sake of it is not a good idea.
Personally, I think this

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looks considerably less cluttered than the iOS alternative.

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Also, with taller screens, filling from the top is a bad idea from an usability perspective
 

macher

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I know one person who has bought an X. I watched jealously as she unboxed it and even had a pang of "Maybe I should switch". She turned it on and we both made an audible "Huh": the new shiny thing immediately became the stale old thing when that wall of age-old iOS icons appeared. And it reminded me that the larger the iPhone's screen gets, the more icons you have to look at every day.

She carried on playing with it and spent a significant amount of time trying to display the battery percentage. Google eventually told her that was no longer an option. She tried the camera. And then put it in her pocket.

Excitement over.

Not seen her since she bought it. I wonder if she still has it?!

I’ve upgraded to every single release since the very first iPhone. Upgraded to the X without any thoughts. My first impression was this is a super premium device. After a couple of days my impression was like this is a Rolls Royce with a Chevy interior but a fast engine. No connection between the exterior(hardware) and the interior(software). That’s why I returned it and got an 8.
 

Phil A.

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The it would look like Android which Apple doesn’t want.

Apple have been happy to copy elements of Android in the past (just like Google have copied from iOS) and IMO they really need to do something to freshen up the look of iOS and relieve the jarring effect of a wall of icons on the home screen.

Even having them in a grid that allows spaces and gaps would be an improvement!
 

akash.nu

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May 26, 2016
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Apple have been happy to copy elements of Android in the past (just like Google have copied from iOS) and IMO they really need to do something to freshen up the look of iOS and relieve the jarring effect of a wall of icons on the home screen.

Even having them in a grid that allows spaces and gaps would be an improvement!

I agree that iOS might need a revamp but then pure Android looks almost similar to iOS as well. Now what a specific OEM does with Android is not something I’d focus on.

Personally, I use both iOS and Android everyday and find Android a bit of a mess in terms of UI hierarchy and also just how things are implemented across various OEMs. When you pick up a new iOS device you know exactly what to expect and how to interact with it. You can’t say the same for Android devices. It drives me crazy having to learn new ways of interacting with devices every couple of days.

It just depends on what one wants from their devices I guess.
 
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Technarchy

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Ever heard of widgets?

Yeah. My iPhone 8+ has 11 right now.
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I prefer the iOS system simply because I know where I will get what I want, but then again, mostly I just use spotlight to find everything on my iOS devices.

Same. I barely have to navigate off the home screen because Spotlight is incredibly fast. Nothing on android compares. My S8+ has a similar feature but it’s laggy and god awful slow in comparison.
 
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Puddled

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Yeah. My iPhone 8+ has 11 right now.
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Same. I barely have to navigate off the home screen because Spotlight is incredibly fast. Nothing on android compares. My S8+ has a similar feature but it’s laggy and god awful slow in comparison.

The setting search on samsung is for a deep device searches. Don't se it for apps.

Tap the google search widget and start typing the name of the app and it will appear instantly.
 

The Game 161

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Sure IOS needs work but it’s great for what it provides for most people. Most people have no interest in making it how you wish. They just want a home screen with apps that they can access.

Widgets on IOS I think is ideal as it’s less cluttered than android. In my use cases my home screen on android was cluttered which did slow down my device.
 
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macher

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Sure IOS needs work but it’s great for what it provides for most people. Most people have no interest in making it how you wish. They just want a home screen with apps that they can access.

Widgets on IOS I think is ideal as it’s less cluttered than android. In my use cases my home screen on android was cluttered which did slow down my device.

I agree. I just want a device that works and iOS works when I need it to work.
 
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JaySoul

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I've met two people in the past few days with an iPhone X.

Both of them said it's good, but not really "worth the money". One said Face ID is a real hassle to get used to, the other said it's OK but wasn't necessary. Neither particularly liked gestures, but were gradually getting used to it.

Both guys quite well off, interesting to see even they were perturbed by the price.

Anyway it's quite anecdotal. Two is hardly a huge sample size! But I do agree, you can get an S8 for literally half the price, even less, so as a value for money proposition it's a no-brainer.
 

macher

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I've met two people in the past few days with an iPhone X.

Both of them said it's good, but not really "worth the money". One said Face ID is a real hassle to get used to, the other said it's OK but wasn't necessary. Neither particularly liked gestures, but were gradually getting used to it.

Both guys quite well off, interesting to see even they were perturbed by the price.

Anyway it's quite anecdotal. Two is hardly a huge sample size! But I do agree, you can get an S8 for literally half the price, even less, so as a value for money proposition it's a no-brainer.

One thing I like about the iPhone is the resale value. I’m sure the S8 doesn’t have near the resale value as the iPhone. Sold my iPhone 7 128 for $400.
 

JaySoul

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One thing I like about the iPhone is the resale value. I’m sure the S8 doesn’t have near the resale value as the iPhone. Sold my iPhone 7 128 for $400.

That depends.

I'm good at hustling for great deals. Bought my S8 for £450 brand new (the guy was desperate) and it's all worked out amazingly. My S7 Edge I got for £300 and sold it for £250.

But if someone bought it at RRP then yes, they would definitely watch that price plummet. I played around with the OnePlus 5T and that phone brand new is £450, it's actually pretty stunning.

Times are getting harder again economically. I've noticed people spending less on phones recently. Also, if you want to have an Apple Watch as well, that has to be factored in - so I've seen a lot of people I know planning to stay with 6S or 7 for as long as possible, as it enables them to get an Apple Watch.
 
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