iPad mini Jelly Scrolling not fixed

[Johnny365]

My iPad mini 5 has it. It’s just the jelly happens in landscape orientation instead of portrait. There were many threads about that here, like the mini 6 & 7 threads.

Was there talk about it then? I swear when I get a new device, I stop looking at forums because of all the negativity and weird backlash. I did go back and look to see if there was wobbliness and I do see it a little bit in the Mini 5. I loved the Mini 5 in the last 5 or so years I've had it and am ready for something new.

 

[Daytona 360]

From this video it still shows the mini 7 has jelly scroll, it is reduced but it is still there:

What's interesting (or disappointing) is that he also tried scrolling in landscape orientation, and it showed no jelly effect at all on the 6 and 7, WHICH IS WHAT THE PORTRAIT MODE IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

I am still heading to the Apple Store tomorrow to see it in person, but I am not having high hopes.

 

[ThailandToo]

Yep watched another review, they also said it's not fixed

How can Apple be so careless with this? It’s sad and for some of us who see it, it ruins the whole experience and means we cannot use an iPad mini when we would love to. Apple needs to have an iPad mini Pro that serves people who care about these issues.

 

[ThailandToo]

Doesn't bother me in the slightest, but this is where people like to complain.

It’s not about liking to complain. We should all want nothing to complain about for paying Apple so much for their products. They were supposedly going to rotate the display. To some of us it’s incredibly distracting to try to use any display with jelly scrolling. It’s really bad to those who it bothers. And for those who it doesn’t, I would say they’re lucky.

 

[Shirasaki]

I know Tim loves to squeeze the lemon for juice and all.. but c'mon Tim .. it's time for some NEW lemons here..

Shareholders want Tim to 10x Apple’s profit in the next year and have been asking so since, even if unlimited growth is physically impossible to achieve and growth will stagnate. Doing the bare minimum is one such way to squeeze out extra profit without spending too much on actual R&D.

 

[lostPod]

Does it happen in portrait and landscape now? Or still just portrait like the 6? (I don’t want to watch the videos and actually witness the jelly for fear I’ll never be able to unsee it if I ever decide to pick up a mini again)

 

[Moukee]

This is the best one I have seen near the start, looks a lot better to me in the comparison.

It is the best one I've seen as well.

It uses the Scan Skew test by Blur Busters, which shows the "issue" really well and makes it comparable. I was able to reproduce the effect on a variety of displays, you just have to test in the direction the display doesn't refresh in (i.e. if it refreshes from top to bottom, test from left to right):

• 34" 21:9 by LG, 160 Hz LCD (test left to right)
• Steam Deck, 60 Hz LCD (test top to bottom)
• iPad Pro 11" M1, 120 Hz LCD (test portrait top to bottom)
• Framework Laptop 13, 120 Hz LCD (test left to right)
• MacBook Pro 14" M1, 120 Hz miniLED (test left to right)

These all have shown the effect to some extent. I'm fairly confident I can also spot it on the iPhone 16 Pro (120 Hz OLED), but it's a lot harder to spot there.

So anyone expecting a true fix for this will always be disappointed. The issue can only be mitigated to a certain extent, and sure: 120 Hz and OLED would've helped and probably made this impossible to spot for most people, but apparently it's vastly improved on the mini 7 compared to the 6. I bet it's no worse than on the iPad Air M2, but people are specifically paying attention to it because the mini 6 had a very bad display controller.

 

[RSB96]

Except that they're not $800 either. What $499 computer has a 120hz high-resolution display, good battery life, and an M1-equivalent chipset?

In tablets, as in smartphones, most of them from the mid-range (300/400$/€) already carry at least 90Hz, most of them being already 120Hz...

 

[ofarlig]

Got my Mini 7 now and the difference is really noticable when just using it, the lines on this forum always made me slightly disoriented on the Mini 6 and they don’t stand out nearly as much on the Mini 7.

Tried the UFO test and tried to get some video showing it, might not be the best but shows some difference at least. Mini 7 on the left and Mini 6 on the right.

 

[jimmy_uk]

Got my Mini 7 now and the difference is really noticable when just using it, the lines on this forum always made me slightly disoriented on the Mini 6 and they don’t stand out nearly as much on the Mini 7.

Tried the UFO test and tried to get some video showing it, might not be the best but shows some difference at least. Mini 7 on the left and Mini 6 on the right.

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Thank you for these videos. It certainly looks better, but it is still visible. Whether you can own and use the Mini 7 depends on how sensitive you are to this see-saw movement. I suspect it would still annoy me, but I'd like to see it in the flesh.

 

[ofarlig]

Thank you for these videos. It certainly looks better, but it is still visible. Whether you can own and use the Mini 7 depends on how sensitive you are to this see-saw movement. I suspect it would still annoy me, but I'd like to see it in the flesh.

If I look for it I can instantly see it but so far just using the device doesn’t make it pop out. And that is with the worst offenders like forums and Reddit where previously I’d start scrolling slowly because it would annoy me so much.

 

[Adamj53]

Got my Mini 7 now and the difference is really noticable when just using it, the lines on this forum always made me slightly disoriented on the Mini 6 and they don’t stand out nearly as much on the Mini 7.

Tried the UFO test and tried to get some video showing it, might not be the best but shows some difference at least. Mini 7 on the left and Mini 6 on the right.

Thank you that is great and just the video I wanted to see. You are right about the lines on this forum doing it, even my 11" M4 Pro does it on them to a degree but no where near as bad as my 6. The 7 does look vastly improved in your video. My Ultra watch does it particularly when scrolling the email inbox, so every screen has it to a degree it was just exaggerated on the 6 which looks to be sorted. My 7 arrives soon

 

[winxmac]

Is jelly scrolling only noticeable on iPad mini 6 and iPad mini 7 and not iPad mini 5? Is it not noticeable on iPad 10th gen or older models?

All iPad models have changed from large/thick bezels to uniform bezels but jelly scrolling only noticeable on iPad mini 6 and iPad mini 7?

 

[ofarlig]

Is jelly scrolling only noticeable on iPad mini 6 and iPad mini 7 and not iPad mini 5? Is it not noticeable on iPad 10th gen or older models?

All iPad models have changed from large/thick bezels to uniform bezels but jelly scrolling only noticeable on iPad mini 6 and iPad mini 7?

It is present on all of them but to different degrees and in different orientations, I can easily see it even on my iPad Pro 13” M4 if I go look for it.

 

[Jayden_m]

So it’s like this. It’s less noticeable.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1848940354374144220

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Does it happen in portrait and landscape now? Or still just portrait like the 6? (I don’t want to watch the videos and actually witness the jelly for fear I’ll never be able to unsee it if I ever decide to pick up a mini again)

The jelly effect is 100% NOT visible when not scrolling something... so it won't mess up the picture when watching videos.

To see the effect, one needs to be scrolling a page or picture up or down- like perhaps scrolling this page right now. If you want to see it but haven't noticed it before, touch the scroll finger to one side in portrait, focus your attention on where you are touching and start moving the page up and down at a good speed. Use your peripheral vision to see the other edge of the screen. What's over there will be lagging what you are seeing under your finger... as if the page is dragging a bit behind on that side.

Anything with a bunch of horizontal lines like the purplish/plum lines between posts here are especially good at helping one see the effect. The lines in the periphery will appear to bend a bit behind the direction of the scroll... and then "catch up" when the scroll slows or stops.

Watching a video involves no scrolling so that usage will be fine.

 

[jimmy_uk]

It is present on all of them but to different degrees and in different orientations, I can easily see it even on my iPad Pro 13” M4 if I go look for it.

This is very true. I can see it on my iPhone 11 in landscape (thankfully I never use it in landscape). I still wish they switched the display controller orientation on the iPad Mini 7, but it is what it is. If similar to my iPhone 11 (not too bad) I might reconsider the Mini 7.

 

[Rogifan]

LOVE this candor from The Verge:

All I see in this tablet is Apple knowing that people who love the Mini will keep buying the Mini no matter what, and thus doing absolutely nothing to make the product better in any real way

6/10 score is about right

Apple iPad Mini 2024 review: missing pieces

Apple’s smallest tablet might be the worst value in the entire iPad lineup.

www.theverge.com

I thought this was a crap review. The iPad mini was never intended to be a mini sized iPad Pro (which is what David wants). I do agree it’s kind of a weird product - because it’s the only small iPad they’ve spec’d it in the middle which probably makes it more expensive than it needs to be. But I think reviews should be based on the product as is, not the product the reviewer wants. This shouldn’t be rated a 6 because it’s not what Apple never intended it to be. Also the more powerful, the more issues with battery life and thermals. If the mini got really hot and had crap battery life David would be complaining about that too.

 

[johnsawyercjs]

The jelly effect is 100% NOT visible when not scrolling something... so it won't mess up the picture when watching videos.

I think LostPod is referring only to the side-by-side comparison videos, such as those posted in this thread.

 

[Moukee]

Just got my mini, and yes scan-skew is visible in portrait, but at the speed you have to scroll for it to become annoying, the motion blur of the screen is so high that you can't really read the content scrolling by anyway.

So…yeah.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Is jelly scrolling only noticeable on iPad mini 6 and iPad mini 7 and not iPad mini 5? Is it not noticeable on iPad 10th gen or older models?

All iPad models have changed from large/thick bezels to uniform bezels but jelly scrolling only noticeable on iPad mini 6 and iPad mini 7?

Consensus seems to argue that "jelly" exists on ALL screens of this type, not limited to only tablets. However, it is apparently most noticeable on Mini 6 and still to be fully determined on 7. From earliest reports, it is still visible in 7. Is that the result of hyper-sensitivity looking for it or perhaps Apple did little-to-nothing about it and just spec-bumped the internal guts? TBD, first hand... as real people not chasing ad revenue like "friends of Apple" doing pre-release "reviews" check them out with their own eyes.

My guess is that while the jelly may technically exist on all screens of this nature, the reason why it is most noticeable is simply a corporate choice of panel. A better panel would likely minimize it. Note how little we hear about it in all other Apple stuff with screens. A better panel may have cost a few more bucks per unit and Apple seems to have such a halo, they can make decisions like this knowing the crowd will buy anyway... and the fans will defend and/or redirect observations about it.

Bezel thickness should have nothing to do with it... except perhaps this thickness just happens to be part of the spec for these panels. The panels themselves and how motion is displayed on them is what jiggles the jelly... or not.

I own the 6, readily see the jelly, but don't care about it enough to make it a buy:don't buy factor. Obviously, I bought it years ago. Of course, I wish it had a better panel but it doesn't and so I just live with this negative. Since iPads tend to have long use-life legs, my next hop will likely be to Mini 9 or 10 in about 2029-30 or so... just as my last hop was Mini 2 to 6. I'll assume that Apple will have used up whatever deal they may have got on this panel and replaced it with something better by then.

Anyone buying this 7 will probably not need to replace it until maybe 10 or 11 out in the 2030s. If so, whatever the quality of jelly or no jelly in this 7, the screen in that next one will probably be better. If in doubt, go check the 7 out in a store and see if it bugs you enough to NOT buy.

 

[lostPod]

The jelly effect is 100% NOT visible when not scrolling something... so it won't mess up the picture when watching videos.

To see the effect, one needs to be scrolling a page or picture up or down- like perhaps scrolling this page right now. If you want to see it but haven't noticed it before, touch the scroll finger to one side in portrait, focus your attention on where you are touching and start moving the page up and down at a good speed. Use your peripheral vision to see the other edge of the screen. What's over there will be lagging what you are seeing under your finger... as if the page is dragging a bit behind on that side.

Anything with a bunch of horizontal lines like the purplish/plum lines between posts here are especially good at helping one see the effect. The lines in the periphery will appear to bend a bit behind the direction of the scroll... and then "catch up" when the scroll slows or stops.

Watching a video involves no scrolling so that usage will be fine.

I understand that. I just assumed the video showed the screen of the iPad in the video going jelly … I didn’t want to witness it and not be able to unsee if when or if I get my own ? Does it ONLY effect portrait mode still on mini 7?

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Too early to say with absolute certainty. People without biased eyes will be able to check them out first hand today in stores. Give it a number of days and a new consensus will clarify if many see it or not... if it is as bad or not... etc.

As is, others are going to answer that it is fully addressed or not addressed at all depending on either what they want to see or by only looking at a few pre-release (not really) "reviews" where some say they can't see it but others say they can.

The ultimate "to jelly or not to jelly: that is the question" is to go see one with one's own eyes. Then you know for certain vs. the wide range of opinions that have been posted for years with some saying they can't see it at all and others saying it is so bad it gives them migraines.

 

[thadoggfather]

When do y’all reasonably expect mini8 will arrive? 2 years from now?

 

[jimmy_uk]

When do y’all reasonably expect mini8 will arrive? 2 years from now?

3 year cycle for the Mini now?

iPad Mini 6 = Sept 2021.
iPad Mini 7 = Oct 2024.
iPad Mini 8 = Sept - Oct 2027 or dropped (as folding iPad/iPhone might be released).