I don’t believe there’s nobody at Apple who could figure this out.
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iPad Pro John Gruber’s iPad Pro review: A Lexus instead of a Toyota
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My point is Gruber can have this take because the Mac is his main computing device. If someone was arguing macOS needed to be simplified to accommodate touch I doubt he’d be on board.
I think what is being advocated is that an all in one macOS + iPadOS running iPad Pro can be the entire "toolbox" and can accomplish both the hammer and screwdriver jobs
Let’s be real here… it is about the money. It’s a reason Apple is in the position they are in… I can respect they want users to buy two devices instead of one. It is what it is. But given Apple have crazy amount of resources to throw at a problem… leads me to believe they are alright with the status quo.
And I think any sane individual would do the same if they were in Apple situation, the folks asking for this “macOS on an iPad” has nothing to lose (it won’t affect their revenue)… it would be Apple taking the loss.
The issue I have here is that it's completely clouded their ability to make "the best products possible for customers"
It seems clear that development on iPadOS is hamstrung by not wanting to make it a full blown "can do everything macOS can do" device ... to protect Mac sales (and vice versa)
This is not a good long term direction for Apple
It's short term thinking and a serious deviation from making "the best products" which is what got them here.
Did all the smart folks at Microsoft figure it out? After throwing lots of resources at the (alleged) problem, did the Surface devices set the computing world on fire?
"But what if we’re thinking about this wrong?"
..admits a few sentences later he still has and uses a 2018 iPad Pro. Yeah, no. Nice try Gruber.
He thinks it's a phenomenal product totally worth buying, only his own actions indicate otherwise.
We aren't thinking about it wrong. The asking price for these devices is patently absurd for the 'hamstrung' OS.
It's a Lexus running Toyota OS.
..admits a few sentences later he still has and uses a 2018 iPad Pro. Yeah, no. Nice try Gruber.
He thinks it's a phenomenal product totally worth buying, only his own actions indicate otherwise.
We aren't thinking about it wrong. The asking price for these devices is patently absurd for the 'hamstrung' OS.
It's a Lexus running Toyota OS.
I wouldn't say apple needs to give macOS but a desktop button to activate on the iPad. basically like dex on Samsung tablets. I love my iPad for what it does and my usage and my Mac is also used a fair amount as well.
But Apple had iPadOS. I’d argue it’s easier to add functionality to a touch OS than it is to make a mouse OS good for touch.
Would you say macOS is better than Windows?
And would you also say iPadOS is better than Windows (for tablets)?
It's easy to see that two better OSes on better Apple hardware would make for a FAR more compelling combo device than the Surfaces
And that said - I know several people who've LOVED their Surfaces (real estate folks)
I think it is better that these tools should develop along their respective trajectories to best support different professionals and computing needs. A jack of all trades will not be favored by many professionals. Every single tool I can think of is specialized for a job to meet professional standards.
An iPad pro with Macos will only, at best, take sales from MacBook Air. I bet most MacBook airs and iMacs are for light computer usage while many “pro” gravitates towards Apples other Macs.
I agree. I don’t think superimposing macOS on iPad would be the proper solution
but iOS is long in the tooth in so many ways and not even talking tablet specific feature even focused on iPhone :
notification “organization“ is an unmitigated disaster
messages is serviceable but has not changed in forever barring stickers and emojis and staying off SMS compression and limitations
settings is a nightmare for anyone not tech savvy and overwhelming
iOS icons same for 10 years now since ios 7
camera app way too basic. The overlay looks boring
music App was a disaster when they shoehorned in Apple Music service. Better now but no UX gain over Spotify barring curated playlists which is more content than UX
phone app is dreary in call with the monotone grey backdrop in ios 17 why did they stop letting people customize that
accepting, ending, or holding call is confusing for average user
control center has not been refined since its inception
autocorrect somehow always gets worse
just because I know how to navigate around these things doesnt mean I’m pumped about it.
If they are trying their best to convince us iPad is another class of computer, and not simply the best tablet (which has merits, fwiw) or a blown up version of iPhone that's a luxury, they haven't done a great job showing us that.
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A. We don't know that
B. If it did, who cares? If one device meets the needs of a customer who previously "dealt" with two devices, great!
Making the best products for the customers is what got Apple here
Artificially segmenting things so people "have to buy more" is a road to nowhere long term
Also - keep in mind - the combo device need not be the only offering from Apple!
They'll still, I'm sure, sell various discrete devices on both sides (mac and ipad)
Well, Microsoft attempted to with Windows RT… and I believe they were on the right track. But received a lot of criticism… they couldn’t really see it through, had to resort back.
A. Likely as these devices do not have Mx Pro, max and ultra SoC and larger amount of RAM.
A combo device would be possible, but it should not be a iPad (pro) but a separate class of device with no compromises. I wonder if that rumored foldable 20 inch device could be such a combo device.
It's funny how easy it is to design the ultimate iPad Pro when you have no concern for engineering, design, resources, or demand.
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He is entitled to his own opinion and, in fact, everything he wrote in that review seems logical to me and makes sense.
iPad is its own thing, not a Mac.
You mean: "I am sad that iPad Pro is really expensive, so I will convince people how it's not good". 🙂
Everyone is entitled to their opinion ... but when they broadcast it and make it their brand, we're entitled to have opinions of that and broadcast our counter opinion on a much smaller scale
No?
To me, it seems clear that it is not. iPadOS development is hamstrung by not making a bad product, which is what would affect Apple’s revenue. A "can do everything macOS can do" device would have many compromises that ultimately would affect the iPad experience.
Apple has a huge proportion of the tablet market, and a tiny proportion of the PC market. If that “everything” device would be feasible, they would have a lot to win. And they would have a lot to lose because a competitor could make it real. So maybe the explanation, after years of success of the iPad and failures of the ”tabletPC” concept, is that this potential device is not feasible.
He meant it’s not for him; not for his workflow, not for his tasks, not for his taste.
Prices are not absurd to me. What you call “hamstrung” OS is its main point to me. I would never spend 2000€ on a MacBook Air, and I will gladly spend it on an iPad Pro. And millions of people make that decision too.
Guy gives his honest opinion and Macrumors rips him apart. This website
Here’s the latest Connected podcast where Federico Viticci talks about iPadOS and the software review he wrote. Good listen. He brings up a good point that when people were criticizing the state of the Mac a few years back that was all OK but criticizing the iPad is some how not OK. I appreciate what he writes because it comes from the right place. It’s coming from someone who loves the iPad not someone who wants to turn it into a Mac.
https://www.relay.fm/connected/502
https://www.relay.fm/connected/502
I have a hard time with those who don’t use an iPad Pro as their primary device telling those who do that they’re wrong. Sure if you’re just an occasional user (or just use it for consumption) iPadOS is fine.…because you’re essentially using it as iOS.