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kre62

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The warmer looking screen is actually more correct and closer to D65. It's like tv's. Most people people prefer the much cooler standard setting on their tv, when in fact they should be using Warm2, which is the most accurate setting for white balance on any tv.

Been covered and isnt relevant. A warm tone may be more correct in general but less sharp text, worse contrast and worse brightness are inferiority. If you like warm screens at least get one of the clear beautiful screens and then turn on night shift. Best of both worlds.
 

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Been covered and isnt relevant. A warm tone may be more correct in general but less sharp text, worse contrast and worse brightness are inferiority. If you like warm screens at least get one of the clear beautiful screens and then turn on night shift. Best of both worlds.

Color is a lot more accurate when white balance is correct. As far as contrast, that has nothing to do with white balance. That has to do with the limitation of IPS panels. They have poor black levels, thus have poor contrast. OLED screens are by far, vastly superior when it comes to contrast and black levels.
 

kre62

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Color is a lot more accurate when white balance is correct. As far as contrast, that has nothing to do with white balance. That has to do with the limitation of IPS panels. They have poor black levels, thus have poor contrast. OLED screens are by far, vastly superior when it comes to contrast and black levels.

Apple uses two vendors for displays. One vendors displays are superior. See other responses to catch up.

The good vendors screens are clear, have sharper text and better contrast. The other vendors screens come with yellow or warm tint. While you may argue warmer tint in itself is more correct, its merely a symptom of getting a screen from the inferior vendor in this case, with the aforementioned tradeoffs.
 

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Apple uses two vendors for displays. One vendors displays are superior. See other responses to catch up.

The good vendors screens are clear, have sharper text and better contrast. The other vendors screens come with yellow or warm tint. While you may argue warmer tint in itself is more correct, its merely a symptom of getting a screen from the inferior vendor in this case, with the aforementioned tradeoffs.

I'm not questioning you on that. IMO, IPS panels are vastly inferior to begin with, so if there are production issues with early panels, you are making a bad situation even worse.
 

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I've read about yellow screens, and in the past I have had yellow screens. My iPhone 7 however has a lovely bright white screen and I am supper happy! :)
 
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kre62

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I've read about yellow screens, and in the past I have had yellow screens. My iPhone 7 however has a lovely bright white screen and I am supper happy! :)

Dang man wish id gotten the same. Lucky.
 

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Too bad for you that there's already examples of blue tint iPhone sevens and in the end that will probably be more blue sevens then warm sevens. It's a vendor issue and not intentional.

you do realize that a "yellow" display shows colours more naturally, aka what apple wants, right?
 

kre62

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you do realize that a "yellow" display shows colours more naturally, aka what apple wants, right?

If this is what apple wants why do the non-yellow screens always end up being the most prolific? Other than launch when they dip into the b grade yellow panels to cover demand, most phones will end up with blue panels. So do you have any evidence whatsoever that this is what apple wants? Or are you tring to convince yourself to love your yellow screen? Btw - there is zero evidence or statements that apple wants warmer screens.
 

thadoggfather

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Yellow screens isn't a launch screen problem it's a screen problem throughout its life.

Panel lottery.
 

kre62

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Yellow screens isn't a launch screen problem it's a screen problem throughout its life.

Panel lottery.

True but it seems that after peak demand that more clear screens make their way to the supply chain.

An example would be that if there is a finite number of clear panels that number may make up only 25% of launch day phones but moves to 75% when demand dies down. Arbitrary numbers but you get the point.
 

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Apple uses two vendors for displays. One vendors displays are superior. See other responses to catch up.

The good vendors screens are clear, have sharper text and better contrast. The other vendors screens come with yellow or warm tint. While you may argue warmer tint in itself is more correct, its merely a symptom of getting a screen from the inferior vendor in this case, with the aforementioned tradeoffs.
Source please. Thanks. Genuinely interested in the vendors.
 

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If this is what apple wants why do the non-yellow screens always end up being the most prolific? Other than launch when they dip into the b grade yellow panels to cover demand, most phones will end up with blue panels. So do you have any evidence whatsoever that this is what apple wants? Or are you tring to convince yourself to love your yellow screen? Btw - there is zero evidence or statements that apple wants warmer screens.

you're seriously misinformed.

it's not only what apple, it's what is natural. a screen only looks "yellow" when you put it beside a screen that is blue. it's your eyes playing tricks on you and naturally as humans we think that "yellow" is bad when looking at something that is supposed to be white.

by the way, you can change the colour temperature in settings so you can have your "blue" display.
 

Quu

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True but it seems that after peak demand that more clear screens make their way to the supply chain.

An example would be that if there is a finite number of clear panels that number may make up only 25% of launch day phones but moves to 75% when demand dies down. Arbitrary numbers but you get the point.

I think it's much more likely that millions of people all get their iPhones in the first launch month and so the complaints about yellow tinting is the highest it'll ever be. Later on in the devices life people get their phones much spaced out over the remaining 11 months keeping the posts and discussions around yellowing lower.

So what I'm suggesting is that the screens are always a lottery. I don't believe that the later shipping iPhones have higher quality panel production, just the users receiving them aren't all grouped together to create a loud enough racket about it.

I do think it's a real thing though that the overly yellow-ness is not intentional and is a defect just that it's a defect that always exists throughout the phones life span on the shelves.
 

thadoggfather

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True but it seems that after peak demand that more clear screens make their way to the supply chain.

An example would be that if there is a finite number of clear panels that number may make up only 25% of launch day phones but moves to 75% when demand dies down. Arbitrary numbers but you get the point.

That's one interpretation.

Another that I used to believe before thinking it's luck of draw is launch screens if anything are higher quality out the gate to please people impression wise and word of mouth and as the cycle goes on and people trickle into being customers or need to replace their defective phone, quality dips.

I don't believe either but it's entirely conjecture. Luck of the draw seems most logical
 

mi7chy

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Source please. Thanks. Genuinely interested in the vendors.

The good clear white display from Japan Display inc (JDI) will have a unique pattern to it when looking at it with direct sunlight or LED flashlight reflection. It almost looks like a counterfeit hologram pattern.

P4aR14vIrUtdD1Uf.huge
 

thadoggfather

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The good clear white display from Japan Display inc (JDI) will have a unique pattern to it when looking at it with direct sunlight or LED flashlight reflection. It almost looks like a counterfeit hologram pattern.

P4aR14vIrUtdD1Uf.huge

Curious how you arrived at this as well

Who else makes display aside from Japan display?
 

kre62

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Source please. Thanks. Genuinely interested in the vendors.
Source please. Thanks. Genuinely interested in the vendors.


Japan display and Lg are the vendors
Source please. Thanks. Genuinely interested in the vendors.


http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...is-the-leading-iphone-6-display-supplier.html

More info on Apple display suppliers.
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you're seriously misinformed.

it's not only what apple, it's what is natural. a screen only looks "yellow" when you put it beside a screen that is blue. it's your eyes playing tricks on you and naturally as humans we think that "yellow" is bad when looking at something that is supposed to be white.

by the way, you can change the colour temperature in settings so you can have your "blue" display.


Glad you are enjoying your yellow screen. Rock it brother.
 

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I guess that exploding Note7 doesn't look so bad anymore. Still arguably the best Android phone of the year shall return! The Return of the King.. September 28th, it's coming back and with a BANG! ;) Ok, cross out that last part. *cross fingers*

2016
LG V20
Samsung Galaxy Note7
Samsung Galaxy S7 edge
Xiaomi Mi 5
Apple iPhone 7 Plus

2017
Samsung Galaxy Note8 (removable battery, pls?)
Samsung Galaxy S8 (drops the edge moniker)
Samsung Galaxy X (or Wing or whatever)
Nokia Android flagship (Nokia also excels w/ cam)
Apple iPhone 8 Plus

Maybe iPhone 8 Plus cracks my Top 3 next year if it doesn't crack like eggs returning to glass. If it does, go back to matte black iPhone 7 Plus which is planning to be sold for all of 2017 and 2018 anyway. If not, get iPhone SE. What's the rush buying any iPhone? I never rush to buy iPhones unless I plan to sell them (which I grew tired) of when I know they will be in retail for years while Android flagships disappear after a year or so.

If you are coming from an iPhone 6/6 Plus, it should be a worthy enough upgrade for the 2gb/3gb of RAM. If you like iOS, then iPhone should be your only choice. Now if you came from 6s/6s Plus, the 7 series is hardly impressive except a couple of black options. And if you compare it to other flagships of 2016, iPhone 7/7+ really isn't the best at anything. You can make a case both S7 edge and Note7 are still better if you have no OS preference. Depends what your previous phone was.
 

mrclamp

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The display 7's I saw had clear screens. Which is par for the course.

I'll bet you $100 that in 2 months clear screens are back. I have 7 years of track record backing this up.

Alright, so I had to create an account just because I feel the need to chime in on how wildly uninformed you are.

First, the warmer screen color was mentioned during the keynote for sure, along with the brightness of the display. Just because you saw a "clearer" (read blue) color somewhere else is merely just a reflection of the lighting where you were looking. As for your assessment of "clear" screens, there is no such thing realistically speaking. What you are talking about is an extremely terribly calibrated display that shows more of a blue color. The truth is, and wait for it, when a calibration is done it is done closer to a warm yellow color, like natural light than it is the artificial blue light. This is why when you hear about calibrating a tv it is all done with warm reds, oranges, and yellows because it mimics natural light.

But hey, what do I know when you are clearly an expert who has the last 7 years (where not a single thing you say is actually documented outside of your own vision).
 
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Still expecting that his buddy T. Cook will read the rant and offer him a trip to Cupertino to select THE iPhone 7 / 7+ of his choosing and of course lunch afterwards ... because ... well ... that's just what pals do.
 

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I'm not questioning you on that. IMO, IPS panels are vastly inferior to begin with, so if there are production issues with early panels, you are making a bad situation even worse.

They aren't or they wouldn't be still highly used in high end computer displays. My ultra wide 34" uses ips and it has awesome black levels and contrast. The Apple Cinema Display is an ips display rated as one of the best ever made and most accurate for color reproduction. That's why most professional photographers use displays like this. Saying it's inferior is wrong.
 
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greytmom

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Op, I haven't read the whole thread, so maybe I missed something. But you seem to be saying that every year, Apple intentionally makes millions of launch phones with bad screens, and then a few months after launch, they start making them with good screens. Correct?

But, why? Why would they deliberately use bad screens in the first several million, then switch? Why not keep using the bad screens, since sales certainly aren't hurting. Do you think they have a stockpile of faulty material that they are trying to use up?

No snark here, just trying to understand the thought process.
 

kre62

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Alright, so I had to create an account just because I feel the need to chime in on how wildly uninformed you are.

First, the warmer screen color was mentioned during the keynote for sure, along with the brightness of the display. Just because you saw a "clearer" (read blue) color somewhere else is merely just a reflection of the lighting where you were looking. As for your assessment of "clear" screens, there is no such thing realistically speaking. What you are talking about is an extremely terribly calibrated display that shows more of a blue color. The truth is, and wait for it, when a calibration is done it is done closer to a warm yellow color, like natural light than it is the artificial blue light. This is why when you hear about calibrating a tv it is all done with warm reds, oranges, and yellows because it mimics natural light.

But hey, what do I know when you are clearly an expert who has the last 7 years (where not a single thing you say is actually documented outside of your own vision).

Thanks for creating an account just to prove yourself wrong in the first few sentences.

Never in the keynote did anyone say the screen would be warmer. I posted a link to it earlier. The word used was wide as in wide gamut.

Heres the deal: if you have a yellow screen and like it and feel its correct, i think you should stick with it. But when next year people are comparing their iphone 8 with a cool blue iphone 7 dont try to say its intentional. Instead ask yourself this question: how does a blue tint iPhone 7 even exist since according to you they went warmer this year? This is a question no one like you seems to ask even though every year we are comparing this years yellow phone to last years blue tint phone.

As far as evidence there are pics all over comparing yellow phones to clear screen phones. Do some research. We also have examples of blue/clear/ however you want to call it 7s out there. So multiple panels exist. I say the blue/clear etc panel looks better and has sharper text. You can disagree and enjoy your dim yellow screen.
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Op, I haven't read the whole thread, so maybe I missed something. But you seem to be saying that every year, Apple intentionally makes millions of launch phones with bad screens, and then a few months after launch, they start making them with good screens. Correct?

But, why? Why would they deliberately use bad screens in the first several million, then switch? Why not keep using the bad screens, since sales certainly aren't hurting. Do you think they have a stockpile of faulty material that they are trying to use up?

No snark here, just trying to understand the thought process.


No not deliberate they just use multiple suppliers and the inferior one gets tapped to meet demand.
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Still expecting that his buddy T. Cook will read the rant and offer him a trip to Cupertino to select THE iPhone 7 / 7+ of his choosing and of course lunch afterwards ... because ... well ... that's just what pals do.

This is asinine and not helpful, nor is it rooted in reality.
 
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