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Should Apple continue to offer LCD displays on smartphones?

  • No. OLED with PWM is the better option.

    Votes: 123 68.3%
  • OLED has too many problems. Apple should offer LCD and OLED (in the same size phone) or just LCD.

    Votes: 57 31.7%

  • Total voters
    180
Samsung does not make OLED's in televisions, only in mobile phones... they are LCD LED or QLED:

https://www.cnet.com/news/qled-vs-oled-samsungs-tv-tech-and-lgs-tv-tech-are-not-the-same/


OLED still beats QLED in that regard according to display professionals when you compare color contrast and accuracy.
Did you actually read what i wrote? I said Samsung has stated that OLED is NOT ideal for Large screen tv's. They have gone done the LED quantum dot route. However they do make the best OLED panels in the business, albeit not for Large screen TV's.
 
Did you actually read what i wrote? I said Samsung has stated that OLED is NOT ideal for Large screen tv's. They have gone done the LED quantum dot route. However they do make the best OLED panels in the business, albeit not for Large screen TV's.

Yes I did, but you also said "Samsung makes the best OLEDs". They haven't demonstrated that they are the best when it comes to television displays (OLED or not), quite the opposite in reviews.

They aren't even the best at implementing OLED in their own mobile phones, just some of the phones that are manufactured by them. Burn in occurs significantly before in their own displays on their phones. If anything, that might point to why they cannot produce an OLED panel in a television on their own.
 
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They aren't even the best at implementing OLED in their own mobile phones, just some of the phones that are manufactured by them. Burn in occurs significantly before in their own displays on their phones. If anything, that might point to why they cannot produce an OLED panel in a television on their own.

Samsung are the ones actually making these displays. They are the best in the business, LG's OLEDS for mobile devices don't come close to what Samsung is putting out. Apple use a Samsung OLED that they have calibrated to their standards, my point being Samsung know a thing or two about OLED and how its best implemented. Micro LED is going to be the tech that takes over when it comes to Large Screen TV's, not OLED.

Also as each new phone comes out Displaymate rates it as the best ever, the Note 9 held that title till the iPhone Xs max and im sure the S10 will take the title back when its released, so don't give me that rubbish that Samsung can't implement OLED on their own devices, its FUD and you know it.
 
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Samsung are the ones actually making these displays. They are the best in the business, LG's OLEDS for mobile devices don't come close to what Samsung is putting out. Apple use a Samsung OLED that they have calibrated to their standards, my point being Samsung know a thing or two about OLED and how its best implemented. Micro LED is going to be the tech that takes over when it comes to Large Screen TV's, not OLED.

The quote was about televisions, so now you are switching to mobile displays, they are 2 different devices.
Compare television brand to television. OLED TV's are only made by other Companies, including LG, which receive
superior reviews for their displays. Samsung gets dinged even using QLED, it isn't as good in any professional review.


Needless to say, you are confusing a panel that is "manufactured by Samsung" and something actually built completely using their own technology. Samsung's own displays do not have the color accuracy of Apple's due to the implementation of their color calibration as well as burn in mitigations.


Also as each new phone comes out Displaymate rates it as the best ever, the Note 9 held that title till the iPhone Xs max and im sure the S10 will take the title back when its released, so don't give me that rubbish that Samsung can't implement OLED on their own devices, its FUD and you know it.

The Google Pixel 3XL took that title away from the XS Max. Also, a display manufactured by Samsung, but not completely implemented by Samsung, but you don't seem to know the difference.

LG gets dinged due to their color calibration in mobile displays, not televisions, anyway. You conveniently use mobile and television technologies interchangeably.
 
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The quote was about televisions, so now you are switching to mobile displays, they are 2 different devices.
Compare television brand to television. OLED TV's are only made by other Companies, including LG, which receive
superior reviews for their displays. Samsung gets dinged even using QLED, it isn't as good in any professional review.


Needless to say, you are confusing a panel that is "manufactured by Samsung" and something actually built completely using their own technology. Samsung's own displays do not have the color accuracy of Apple's due to the implementation of their color calibration as well as burn in mitigations.




The Google Pixel 3XL took that title away from the XS Max. Also, a display manufactured by Samsung, but not completely implemented by Samsung, but you don't seem to know the difference.

LG gets dinged due to their color calibration in mobile displays, not televisions, anyway. You conveniently use mobile and television technologies interchangeably.
Read my post properly. You conveniently miss important parts... I clearly stated "for mobile devices"
Also the OLED panel Apple uses is built by Samsung using their own technology, Apple does not have any experience making OLEDS. Apple are calibrating the Panels to their standards. Even so your post was trying to make out that Apple does OLED better than Samsung themselves which is completely wrong, The best Phone screen panel is constantly changing, very soon the S10 will be the best i'm sure.

As for TV's Samsung has clearly stated they don't believe OLED is suited well to large screen TV"s. So they have stuck to the QLED TV's. Im sure they are working on Micro LED along with many others.
 
Read my post properly. You conveniently miss important parts... I clearly stated "for mobile devices"
Also the OLED panel Apple uses is built by Samsung using their own technology, Apple does not have any experience making OLEDS. Apple are calibrating the Panels to their standards. Even so your post was trying to make out that Apple does OLED better than Samsung themselves which is completely wrong, The best Phone screen panel is constantly changing, very soon the S10 will be the best i'm sure.

In the original post you were quoting televisions, not even mobile displays.
With your response: "Samsung has already said that OLED is not ideal for big screen TV's and they make the best OLEDs in the business so they know a thing or two."

So let me reiterate this to respond to OLED in televisions. LG already implements OLED and gets better reviews in televisions due to doing this, which is what I was referring to. Then you revert back to LG's poor implementation in mobile phones, which isn't what I was responding to initially. You cross mobile and tv displays.

https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2372085,00.asp

As for mobile displays, LG is also a second supplier for XS and XS Max phones. Their lack of scale of supply is listed as the main reason for them not being used as a 1st or second supply source as one previously:

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...8/apple-iphone-xs-max-lg-oled-display-samsung
 
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In the original post you were quoting televisions, not even mobile displays.
With your response: "Samsung has already said that OLED is not ideal for big screen TV's and they make the best OLEDs in the business so they know a thing or two."

So let me reiterate this to respond to OLED in televisions. LG already implements OLED and gets better reviews in televisions due to doing this, which is what I was referring to. Then you revert back to LG's poor implementation in mobile phones, which isn't what I was responding to initially. You cross mobile and tv displays.

https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2372085,00.asp

As for mobile displays, LG is also a second supplier for XS and XS Max phones. Their lack of scale of supply is listed as the main reason for them not being used a 1st or second one previously:

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...8/apple-iphone-xs-max-lg-oled-display-samsung


It was basically bad decision making by Samsung, as they thought OLED was too immature for TV's because of potential burn in issues...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...and-lg-in-the-premium-tv-market-idUSKBN1I24K2

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Samsung Electronics’ decision to base its TV business on LCD technology was made after it took the advice of Samsung Group’s now-defunct Corporate Strategy Office, a source with knowledge of the matter said.

“The office made a suggestion that it would be more profitable to focus on LCDs than switching to less-proven OLED,” said the source, who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the matter.


The reasons: the TV business was battling falling profits and the company felt LCD technology could be more profitable than high cost OLED, the source said.

The only problem was that around the time this decision was being taken, LG was developing a much more efficient manufacturing process to make OLED screens.

The retail price of a mainstream LG 55-inch OLED TV has dropped to just 3 million won ($2,811) this year from 15 million won ($14,056) in 2013, LG said.

It is not the first time decisions involving Samsung’s Corporate Strategy Office have been questioned. The office was closed after it faced criticism during the political scandal that led to the arrest of the group’s heir Jay Y. Lee last year on charges of bribery and embezzlement. Lee, who denies any wrongdoing, walked out a free man in February after an appeals court suspended his sentence.

Samsung told Reuters the biggest reason it is not making OLED TVs is the issue of screen burn-in, referring to a form of image retention when an image has been on the screen for a long time.

“We concluded that OLED is unfit for large screens, as it can shorten product life when tasked to produce bright images,” said Samsung’s Chu.

LG, though, says on its U.S. website that while burn-in is possible on almost any display, it has addressed the issue through technology that protects against damage to the screen and rectifies short-term problems.

PROFIT FIGURES TELL THE TALE
The struggle’s impact on corporate results became clearer last month. LG said on Thursday its TV division recorded a 77 percent jump in quarterly profit and a record profit margin of 14 percent in the quarter ended in March.

Samsung reported a 32 percent quarterly profit decline last Thursday for its consumer electronics division that sells TVs and home appliances, saying that earnings fell from a year ago, partly because it had changed its lineup and stopped selling some lower and mid-priced TVs.

Sony, whose television business incurred losses totaling 800 billion yen ($7.4 billion) over ten years, swung back to a profit in the year ended in March 2017.

To return to profit, the Japanese company reduced the number of markets around the world in which it sells, diversified suppliers and offered both OLED and LCD screens. It also ditched an LCD joint venture with Samsung.

The strategy paid off. While Sony had just 10.2 percent share in the global TV market last year in dollar terms, it was No. 1 in the premium market. Its operating profit margin reached 10.7 percent in the September-December quarter, according to John Soh, analyst at Shinhan Investment.

The outlook for Samsung in premium TVs could worsen as 71 percent of sales this year are expected to be OLED TVs, up from 51 percent last year, according to IHS.

And this is all happening with the 2018 FIFA World Cup starting in June. The month-long soccer competition, which is being held in Russia this year, is consistently the most watched TV event in the world and provides TV makers with a great opportunity to boost sales.

Choong Hoon Yi, head of UBI Research and a former Samsung display engineer, said that it now “looks like Samsung made a mistake” though it did not seem a blunder at the time, as Samsung considered the OLED technology too immature.


When asked about whether it plans to restart OLED TV production and sales, Samsung said that it will lead the premium market by focusing on QLED and micro-LED technology, which uses miniature light emitting diodes to improve picture quality. “There’s no change (in our strategy),” Jonghee Han, President of Samsung’s TV business told reporters last month.

Some display analysts say all might not be lost as Samsung can fight back on price. Initially the U.S. price for Samsung’s mid-range Q7F 55-inch QLED TV in 2018 was $1,900, down from $2,500 last year, according to online channels. Meanwhile the initial price for LG’s 55-inch C7 OLED TV was $3,500 in 2017 but the corresponding C8 started at $2,500 this year.

“Our goal is not to be No. 1 for x-number of consecutive years, but No. 1 forever,” Samsung’s Han said.
 
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It was basically bad decision making by Samsung, as they thought OLED was too immature for TV's because of potential burn in issues...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...and-lg-in-the-premium-tv-market-idUSKBN1I24K2

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Samsung Electronics’ decision to base its TV business on LCD technology was made after it took the advice of Samsung Group’s now-defunct Corporate Strategy Office, a source with knowledge of the matter said.

“The office made a suggestion that it would be more profitable to focus on LCDs than switching to less-proven OLED,” said the source, who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the matter.


The reasons: the TV business was battling falling profits and the company felt LCD technology could be more profitable than high cost OLED, the source said.

The only problem was that around the time this decision was being taken, LG was developing a much more efficient manufacturing process to make OLED screens.

The retail price of a mainstream LG 55-inch OLED TV has dropped to just 3 million won ($2,811) this year from 15 million won ($14,056) in 2013, LG said.

It is not the first time decisions involving Samsung’s Corporate Strategy Office have been questioned. The office was closed after it faced criticism during the political scandal that led to the arrest of the group’s heir Jay Y. Lee last year on charges of bribery and embezzlement. Lee, who denies any wrongdoing, walked out a free man in February after an appeals court suspended his sentence.

Samsung told Reuters the biggest reason it is not making OLED TVs is the issue of screen burn-in, referring to a form of image retention when an image has been on the screen for a long time.

“We concluded that OLED is unfit for large screens, as it can shorten product life when tasked to produce bright images,” said Samsung’s Chu.

LG, though, says on its U.S. website that while burn-in is possible on almost any display, it has addressed the issue through technology that protects against damage to the screen and rectifies short-term problems.

PROFIT FIGURES TELL THE TALE
The struggle’s impact on corporate results became clearer last month. LG said on Thursday its TV division recorded a 77 percent jump in quarterly profit and a record profit margin of 14 percent in the quarter ended in March.

Samsung reported a 32 percent quarterly profit decline last Thursday for its consumer electronics division that sells TVs and home appliances, saying that earnings fell from a year ago, partly because it had changed its lineup and stopped selling some lower and mid-priced TVs.

Sony, whose television business incurred losses totaling 800 billion yen ($7.4 billion) over ten years, swung back to a profit in the year ended in March 2017.

To return to profit, the Japanese company reduced the number of markets around the world in which it sells, diversified suppliers and offered both OLED and LCD screens. It also ditched an LCD joint venture with Samsung.

The strategy paid off. While Sony had just 10.2 percent share in the global TV market last year in dollar terms, it was No. 1 in the premium market. Its operating profit margin reached 10.7 percent in the September-December quarter, according to John Soh, analyst at Shinhan Investment.

The outlook for Samsung in premium TVs could worsen as 71 percent of sales this year are expected to be OLED TVs, up from 51 percent last year, according to IHS.

And this is all happening with the 2018 FIFA World Cup starting in June. The month-long soccer competition, which is being held in Russia this year, is consistently the most watched TV event in the world and provides TV makers with a great opportunity to boost sales.

Choong Hoon Yi, head of UBI Research and a former Samsung display engineer, said that it now “looks like Samsung made a mistake” though it did not seem a blunder at the time, as Samsung considered the OLED technology too immature.


When asked about whether it plans to restart OLED TV production and sales, Samsung said that it will lead the premium market by focusing on QLED and micro-LED technology, which uses miniature light emitting diodes to improve picture quality. “There’s no change (in our strategy),” Jonghee Han, President of Samsung’s TV business told reporters last month.

Some display analysts say all might not be lost as Samsung can fight back on price. Initially the U.S. price for Samsung’s mid-range Q7F 55-inch QLED TV in 2018 was $1,900, down from $2,500 last year, according to online channels. Meanwhile the initial price for LG’s 55-inch C7 OLED TV was $3,500 in 2017 but the corresponding C8 started at $2,500 this year.

“Our goal is not to be No. 1 for x-number of consecutive years, but No. 1 forever,” Samsung’s Han said.


That actually proves what I had thought. They have issues implementing an OLED panel possibly due to Samsung's own burn in concerns, likely due to their own technology and limitations.

Not that you did, but
Micro LED was brought up by another poster, and I'm not addressing Micro LED, as it's not even used yet in televisions OR mobile displays.
Micro LED is also not what I was addressing, which was information regarding OLED implementation currently used in TV's. I've seen videos of people with OLED televisions, and they have not had issues with burn in. The worst I heard was temporary screen retention in rare or very few instances.
 
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In the original post you were quoting televisions, not even mobile displays.
With your response: "Samsung has already said that OLED is not ideal for big screen TV's and they make the best OLEDs in the business so they know a thing or two."

So let me reiterate this to respond to OLED in televisions. LG already implements OLED and gets better reviews in televisions due to doing this, which is what I was referring to. Then you revert back to LG's poor implementation in mobile phones, which isn't what I was responding to initially. You cross mobile and tv displays.

https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2372085,00.asp

As for mobile displays, LG is also a second supplier for XS and XS Max phones. Their lack of scale of supply is listed as the main reason for them not being used a 1st or second one previously:

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...8/apple-iphone-xs-max-lg-oled-display-samsung

Well i'm not disagreeing with anything you have written there. My main points were that Samsung decided to not go down the OLED route when it comes to Large screen Tv's, they obviously know what they are doing when it comes to OLEDs as their mobile screens are the best in the business. Im well aware as it currently stands LG make the best big screen TV and that it is OLED but i still feel OLED does have its downfalls compared to a decent full Array LED panel. LG's TV OLED panels had a lot of teething issues and are just starting to get them all worked out.
 
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Well i'm not disagreeing with anything you have written there. My main points were that Samsung decided to not go down the OLED route when it comes to Large screen Tv's, they obviously know what they are doing when it comes to OLEDs as their mobile screens are the best in the business. Im well aware as it currently stands LG make the best big screen TV and that it is OLED but i still feel OLED does have its downfalls compared to a decent full Array LED panel. LG's TV OLED panels had a lot of teething issues and are just starting to get them all worked out.

What it shows is that Samsung has proven that they have success implementing OLED into mobile phone displays, BUT they will use a technology that they predict will financially benefit them the most, televisions included.

OLED is a lot more costly to manufacture esp. in televisions, and it's a completely different market. That's why it's best to not compare the two using one manufacturer especially comparing televisions and mobile phones. Sony also makes a proper OLED television, as well as a few other brands. I do agree each technology have their pros and cons, but there's a lot more to it than that as given by some of darksithpro's post.
 
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I do agree each technology has their pros and cons, but there's a lot more to it than that as given by some of darksithpro's post.


I just cannot believe LG got the jump on Samsung in the TV market. Samsung has been making OLED phones from 2012. You'd think the Korean albatross would have worked out burn in issues from 2012! Still... It makes me think even LG suffers from Burn in problems and they're probably only using pixel shift software to combat burn in at this point. Which is both in the Apple and Samsung phones presently.
 
I just cannot believe LG got the jump on Samsung in the TV market. Samsung has been making OLED phones from 2012. You'd think the Korean albatross would have worked out burn in issues from 2012! Still... It makes me think even LG suffers from Burn in problems and they're probably only using pixel shift software to combat burn in at this point. Which is both in the Apple and Samsung phones presently.
It's not that LG got the jump, Its just that Samsung decided to go a different route. Burn-in is hardly an issue on devices that have shorter life expectancies, I've abused the hell out of my S7, S8+ and S9+ and I have not experienced any burn-in ever. However on a TV that is expected to last many years Burn-in and Blue luminance degradation become more of an issue. Im a huge fan of OLED but you need to realise it does have its downfalls like any technology and Samsung have made a choice based on this. Those LG OLED tV's may look fabulous now but how will they be after 5 years of heavy use?
 
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For the moment OLED will continue to dominate as it looks better in the showroom, it uses less power and the large producers are concentrating on it, thus it has bulk manufacture advantage.

Most people won’t even associate fatigue issues with the phone unless they read these forums

I still have my plasma TV as I have never seen a LED or LCD TV as good for motion but plasma is definitely out. CCD sensors have better definition for cameras but consume more power and all the research has gone into CMOS censors to deal with issues CCDs don’t have to. Beta-max was better then VHS but more expensive. Etc etc etc

Basically the consumer gets cheaper not better, and those with the money get to pay a super premium for the best. In the case of the XS vs the XR, unusually the cheaper consumer gets the better deal. Don’t hold your breath though for the next generation .....
 
Most people can't see, and don't complain headaches from, flickering at that frequency. FWIW, Apple is using a rate that's twice as high as florescent lights.

Source/link for your last sentence? I mean, I gather the flickering argument that isn’t the ‘Norm’ for a direct cause for headaches, but curious were you concluded ‘twice the rate.’
 
Haha people saying that Samsung panels are inferior to Apple Samsung panels is ridiculous.
Samsung makes the best oled panels for mobile phones. And they don't use Oles for TV's because they think that Quantun dots are going to be better in the future. The same as Lcd vs Oled is coming in the future. OLEDvs QLED. And we know who would make the best QLED panels once it get's cheaper to produce.
Or you think that is easier to make 6" curved OLED display than a 50" flat for a tv?
 
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Haha people saying that Samsung panels are inferior to Apple Samsung panels is ridiculous.
Samsung makes the best oled panels for mobile phones. And they don't use Oles for TV's because they think that Quantun dots are going to be better in the future. The same as Lcd vs Oled is coming in the future. OLEDvs QLED. And we know who would make the best QLED panels once it get's cheaper to produce.
Or you think that is easier to make 6" curved OLED display than a 50" flat for a tv?


It's fairly easy to understand why, and it's not that the panel itself is inferior. Samsung doesn't set the calibration for the panels for Apple iPhones and they are more color accurate:

"The iPhone XS Max wasn't as colorful, covering 123 percent of the sRGB color gamut, though a Delta-E score of 0.22 means the XS Max renders those colors more accurately."

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-xs-max-vs-galaxy-note-9,review-5741.html


In Displaymate's testing, they knocked the Note 9 off the pedestal for the XS Max using similar reasoning.
When the S10 comes out, it may knock the Google Pixel 3XL down, it's always switching due to changing technology.

QLED is a good technology but it's indisputably inferior to the picture quality produced by OLED.
If many panels in the future suffer burn in, then sure, the win can go to QLED long term. I don't see any sufficient evidence posted of this yet, though.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/qled-vs-oled-tv/
 
It was basically bad decision making by Samsung, as they thought OLED was too immature for TV's because of potential burn in issues...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...and-lg-in-the-premium-tv-market-idUSKBN1I24K2

MORE EFFICIENT MANUFACTURING
Samsung Electronics’ decision to base its TV business on LCD technology was made after it took the advice of Samsung Group’s now-defunct Corporate Strategy Office, a source with knowledge of the matter said.

“The office made a suggestion that it would be more profitable to focus on LCDs than switching to less-proven OLED,” said the source, who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the matter.


The reasons: the TV business was battling falling profits and the company felt LCD technology could be more profitable than high cost OLED, the source said.

The only problem was that around the time this decision was being taken, LG was developing a much more efficient manufacturing process to make OLED screens.

The retail price of a mainstream LG 55-inch OLED TV has dropped to just 3 million won ($2,811) this year from 15 million won ($14,056) in 2013, LG said.

It is not the first time decisions involving Samsung’s Corporate Strategy Office have been questioned. The office was closed after it faced criticism during the political scandal that led to the arrest of the group’s heir Jay Y. Lee last year on charges of bribery and embezzlement. Lee, who denies any wrongdoing, walked out a free man in February after an appeals court suspended his sentence.

Samsung told Reuters the biggest reason it is not making OLED TVs is the issue of screen burn-in, referring to a form of image retention when an image has been on the screen for a long time.

“We concluded that OLED is unfit for large screens, as it can shorten product life when tasked to produce bright images,” said Samsung’s Chu.

LG, though, says on its U.S. website that while burn-in is possible on almost any display, it has addressed the issue through technology that protects against damage to the screen and rectifies short-term problems.

PROFIT FIGURES TELL THE TALE
The struggle’s impact on corporate results became clearer last month. LG said on Thursday its TV division recorded a 77 percent jump in quarterly profit and a record profit margin of 14 percent in the quarter ended in March.

Samsung reported a 32 percent quarterly profit decline last Thursday for its consumer electronics division that sells TVs and home appliances, saying that earnings fell from a year ago, partly because it had changed its lineup and stopped selling some lower and mid-priced TVs.

Sony, whose television business incurred losses totaling 800 billion yen ($7.4 billion) over ten years, swung back to a profit in the year ended in March 2017.

To return to profit, the Japanese company reduced the number of markets around the world in which it sells, diversified suppliers and offered both OLED and LCD screens. It also ditched an LCD joint venture with Samsung.

The strategy paid off. While Sony had just 10.2 percent share in the global TV market last year in dollar terms, it was No. 1 in the premium market. Its operating profit margin reached 10.7 percent in the September-December quarter, according to John Soh, analyst at Shinhan Investment.

The outlook for Samsung in premium TVs could worsen as 71 percent of sales this year are expected to be OLED TVs, up from 51 percent last year, according to IHS.

And this is all happening with the 2018 FIFA World Cup starting in June. The month-long soccer competition, which is being held in Russia this year, is consistently the most watched TV event in the world and provides TV makers with a great opportunity to boost sales.

Choong Hoon Yi, head of UBI Research and a former Samsung display engineer, said that it now “looks like Samsung made a mistake” though it did not seem a blunder at the time, as Samsung considered the OLED technology too immature.


When asked about whether it plans to restart OLED TV production and sales, Samsung said that it will lead the premium market by focusing on QLED and micro-LED technology, which uses miniature light emitting diodes to improve picture quality. “There’s no change (in our strategy),” Jonghee Han, President of Samsung’s TV business told reporters last month.

Some display analysts say all might not be lost as Samsung can fight back on price. Initially the U.S. price for Samsung’s mid-range Q7F 55-inch QLED TV in 2018 was $1,900, down from $2,500 last year, according to online channels. Meanwhile the initial price for LG’s 55-inch C7 OLED TV was $3,500 in 2017 but the corresponding C8 started at $2,500 this year.

“Our goal is not to be No. 1 for x-number of consecutive years, but No. 1 forever,” Samsung’s Han said.

This just says that Samsung makes more money "premium" LCDs that don't cost much more to produce than cheap TVs, but come close to what an actual high-end set (OLED) would cost to the end user. That's crap.
 
Haha people saying that Samsung panels are inferior to Apple Samsung panels is ridiculous.
Samsung makes the best oled panels for mobile phones. And they don't use Oles for TV's because they think that Quantun dots are going to be better in the future. The same as Lcd vs Oled is coming in the future. OLEDvs QLED. And we know who would make the best QLED panels once it get's cheaper to produce.
Or you think that is easier to make 6" curved OLED display than a 50" flat for a tv?

Well, technically, Apple panel is in fact better than Samsung due to:

1. Apple does factory calibration on each panel (after receiving from Samsung factory).

2. Apple has much better color management OS-wide than Android.

So, yeah, Apple panel IS better. There is nothing on Android that is better in terms of display quality.

You can read XDA Developers reviews on displays. iPhone X/XS display is rated A+, the ONLY A+ of its kind...and is considered REFERENCE to compare other mobile display to.
 
Well, technically, Apple panel is in fact better than Samsung due to:

1. Apple does factory calibration on each panel (after receiving from Samsung factory).

2. Apple has much better color management OS-wide than Android.

So, yeah, Apple panel IS better. There is nothing on Android that is better in terms of display quality.

You can read XDA Developers reviews on displays. iPhone X/XS display is rated A+, the ONLY A+ of its kind...and is considered REFERENCE to compare other mobile display to.
It's just an improved Samsung panel. It's not an Apple panel.
 
It's just an improved Samsung panel. It's not an Apple panel.

What matters to consumers is the end result. And Samsung phone display, even the latest and greatest, cannot match iPhone X (2017) display quality, much less XS (2018).
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It's just an improved Samsung panel. It's not an Apple panel.

Think of it another way...

Is iPhone camera a sony camera just because Apple buys sensor from Sony?

Is Apple A12 chip a TSMC chip just because Apple uses TSMC to make it for them?

Does Samsung display use the innovative design of X/XS panel so that there is no lip on the bottom?


Or more accurately, Apple uses Samsung to make the display for them using APPLE’s specs and design.

Apple designs. Samsung is the workhorse (worker bee). Just like what Apple does with TSMC and Sony.
 
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What matters to consumers is the end result. And Samsung phone display, even the latest and greatest, cannot match iPhone X (2017) display quality, much less XS (2018).
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Think of it another way...

Is iPhone camera a sony camera just because Apple buys sensor from Sony?

Is Apple A12 chip a TSMC chip just because Apple uses TSMC to make it for them?

Does Samsung display use the innovative design of X/XS panel so that there is no lip on the bottom?


Or more accurately, Apple uses Samsung to make the display for them using APPLE’s specs and design.

Apple designs. Samsung is the workhorse (worker bee). Just like what Apple does with TSMC and Sony.

Hate to be the one to pop your bubble, but through objective analysis of calibration, brightness, and color, Samsung's own S10 (and even S9) displays are superior to the ones Apple orders for their iPhone X-family devices, sharing similarities with Samsung's S7 generation of display tech.

source - http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S10_ShootOut_1S.htm#Display_Records
 
Hate to be the one to pop your bubble, but through objective analysis of calibration, brightness, and color, Samsung's own S10 (and even S9) displays are superior to the ones Apple orders for their iPhone X-family devices, sharing similarities with Samsung's S7 generation of display tech.

source - http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S10_ShootOut_1S.htm#Display_Records

Go check out Anandtech’s review of all the other Android’s. The best implementation of AMOLED is on the Xs and Xs Max. Banding and black crush is still an issue with Samsung’s phones.
 
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