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Other LCD is a better display technology for smartphones than OLED
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Who the f**k is David Lee? I know David Lee basketball player. I know David Lee Roth. Is that name supposed to mean something significant? Oh is he/she as insignificant as your projector smartphone from some crappy company still using over 2 years old software and passing it as new??
I am still laughing my arse off at your attempt to show an Android phone!! LOL classic ignorance!
DisplayMate...LOL...what rating are they at now? A+++++++++++?
Damn, hate to be the one to burst your sensitive bubble, but even ANDROID's XDA Developer site admits that X/XS display is the best.
Here is XDA review of Samsung S10 display: https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-display-review/
The introduction to this review is important to read...so, let me quote for your education (you're welcome BTW): "
Everyone says it: “Samsung makes the best displays for smartphones.” It’s widely regarded as truth and not many try to dispute it. Even fewer try to (or even know how to) individually assess the display. The problem with this is the lack of verification from what is seen on publications (including our own) versus reality and the limited number of valid points of views and shortage of expertise on the matter. What many don’t know is that previous-generation Samsung Galaxy displays did have issues and even lagged behind the competition in certain categories such as color/white point calibration, gamma, and black clipping. They were not perfect displays — they were far from the best in terms of calibration, actually — and most display reviews gave them way more praise than they deserved. Many are also misinformed and claim their displays to be color-accurate when in their default oversaturated profile."
Here are quotes from that review:
"Samsung does a decent job with color accuracy with their standard reference profiles, but the Galaxy S10 continues Samsung’s warmer calibration trend that plagued their previous handsets, still placing it behind other displays like the iPhone X(S) and the Pixel 3 (XL) in color accuracy.
The viewing angles on the Samsung Galaxy S10, at a 30-degree angle, are the lowest we’ve measured so far. The shift is still non-uniform and sudden at acute angles, and still noticeably varies between shifting towards red and shifting towards cyan. It is also always visible on the curved edges of the screen on lighter/white content.
Black smearing is identical to previous generation panels, while black clipping (black crush) has improved (lessened) with the Samsung Galaxy S10. The Galaxy S10, however, is still inferior to OnePlus’ latest handsets in black clipping, and outclassed by the iPhone X-series panels in both these categories.
However, the Samsung Galaxy S10, and any other Android for that matter, should still not be used to professionally edit color-sensitive photos or videos, since photo editor apps with working color management support are still non-existent on Android. This is still best left to Apple devices, including iPhones and iPads.
Ultimately, the balance is best found by tackling it with hardware, like how Apple does with their resolution-specific panels (with higher default PPIs than Samsungs’), but this removes the option for the even-higher resolutions that Samsung provides. Some may find the default option underwhelming while finding the higher resolution overkill, but with no intermediary options, some may find Apple’s approach to panel resolution superior.
As I mentioned in the beginning, Samsung’s panels are not perfect, and the Galaxy S10, too, was revealed to have flaws throughout my review of it. From a purely display-geek and professional calibration-driven point-of-view, however, the iPhone XS is still the superior display package, with textbook ISF calibration at any white level with the least drive variance, superior shadow rendering/black clipping and subpixel response time control, and the company leader in color management support and understanding in colorimetry, receiving the higher A+ grade."
And here is review of Pixel 3 display:
https://www.xda-developers.com/goog...gible-improvement-yet-still-behind-the-curve/
"We would give the Galaxy Note 9 an A rating: Very good brightness with high brightness mode, great gamma control, photos app has some color management. But, it still has black clipping, and we found the color accuracy in the calibrated profiles to not be too impressive. The iPhone X and the iPhone Xs both receive A+ ratings: It has a stellar manual brightness range without utilizing high brightness mode, zero black clipping over its 8-bit intensity range, smart PWM control, the best color accuracy we have measured, good gamma control, and excellent color management with an OS that utilizes wide color. These very noticeable and experience-affecting differences allow it to pull ahead of the Note 9 based on the qualities of the display and how its software handles it...."
Ouch.I hope that this helps you understand better of what i wrote. It is an honor for me to correct another forum member's misinformation.
LMFAO Did you just cite... XDA as a more reliable source than displaymate? Let's see, some freelance writer for an android custom ROM forum or... the most respected name in display analysis? It's a real laugh for someone to pretend they know what they're talking about because he quoted some XDA articles. Cool.
So the XDA author has a fetish for black clipping, draws a SUSPECT conclusion about resolution (less is better? in what universe?)
The discussion has turned into one fanatic defending Apple till death and other guys trying to salvage their own stances.
But OLED’s colour representation hurts me more than LCD’s, as I am not a big fan of way too vivid colors. I even turn on greyscale to ease the strain of my eyes on iPhone XS Max for a period. Sadly, people are loving OLED en mass. Maybe I should turn on greyscale permanently on all future iOS devices.
But OLED’s colour representation hurts me more than LCD’s, as I am not a big fan of way too vivid colors. I even turn on greyscale to ease the strain of my eyes on iPhone XS Max for a period. Sadly, people are loving OLED en mass. Maybe I should turn on greyscale permanently on all future iOS devices.
Pretty hilarious though as the screen on the XR is really good. An overly dramatic YouTuber looking to generate hits I would say!
I always find it really interesting when someone wants to boast their argument, they go find some Clickbait video from YouTube who unequivocally bashes Apple over a certain feature they don’t like, but if you want a reality check outside a tech forum, I challenge you to find one consumer that would bash Apples Liquid Retina display compared to all the LCD displays they have used over the years.
As Someone as myself who is heavily tech oriented, I’ve never heard anyone, [and I mean anyone] outside this forum even remotely say anything negative about the XR display, not when they can even barely differentiate OLED versus LCD.
So because many people can't tell the difference between OLED and LCD that justifies Apple charging OLED prices for LCD screens?
This thread has turned ridiculous. It’s a mobile device people. If the screen is legible your good to go. Your day is no better for arguing over something so subjective. Mine will always be better than his/hers & yours from my perspective and your perspective will argue it’s not. We can’t go anywhere from there other than swings and roundabouts.
Why is OLED worth more though if the difference is so minimal? I couldn’t give a toss what screen my iPhone has to be honest and the XR is retailing around £650 now which is on line with the average price of new iPhones over the past 7 years.
I think the fact the XR is the most popular iPhone suggests most people don’t really care that it has an LCD either. It’s considered better value for money than the more expensive models.
720p for $749
What a ratio
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The difference isn't minimal at all.
Guess why Apple don't use LCD on their real phones or watches? Guess why they're trying to get OLED in iPads and MacBooks?
Every time Apple sells an LCD phone for $700+ Tim laughs hysterically about how high his margin is.
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There’s a little more to it than just being 720p as the ppi is the same as the iPhone 8 but with a higher pixel resolution. I couldn’t give a toss if people think Apple aren’t using it in their ‘real phones’ whatever that rather immature statement implies to be frank. Should I care about that and what defines a real phone when they are all essentially so similar in ability? The difference is certainly very minimal in my experience.
If Apple are laughing at people for spending less on an XR then I guess that’s fine. Who is the loser in that scenario? Apple for getting less revenue off the device cost or the people who don’t care they haven’t got an OLED on their iPhone? I know what is making me chuckle and it’s people obsessed with spec’s that add very little to the experience.
So, display quality, quality of materials, A12 processor, series 7 aluminum frame, camera prowess among other things are not considered? Long-term support, resale value, etc. doesn't count?
Android may have higher resolution display (but worst accuracy) but has crappy processor, outdated software, ****** cameras, 18 months max support, and piss poor resale.
It’s not “worse” you keep saying this but have you ever compared side by side. You also keep referring to displaymate who we know have had wildly inaccurate results from other devices in the past. Each to their own, it’s completely subjective. I personally enjoy my max for many reasons but I know 100% that Samsung’s have better displays. I see it every single day from my wife’s s10 and my sons P20 pro. There is no doubt in my mind that both have quite noticeably superior displays then Xs Max. That’s just me and my opinion. You can argue all day long that displaymate says different but there are literally millions of users who love that Samsung over saturated oled. I am one of them yet I own an iPhone because it’s what I am tied into at the moment. I love it, it’s super easy to navigate and is reliable BUT the display is not a patch on my wife’s or my previous S9.
Also, android 9 (pie) and upcoming Q are not outdated. That’s just ridiculous argument to make when comparing to iOS which is considered the most outdated software experience within the industry. It functions perfectly and if it ain’t broke..but let’s not pretend it’s fresh. Even your Apple diehards will succumb to this.
P30 Pro has best camera configuration on a mobile device. Period.
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Uhhh...are you quoting the right person? Please read my post in context to the person i quoted. (That person was showing an Android phone with projector as the better value.) Thanks!
As for your eyes and how you feel about Samsung (and Huawei) displays...great! Knock yourself out. But don’t expect others to see your reasoning since your opinion has no factual backing.
P30Pro? Great low light pics and amazing zoom!!! But...oange/yellow daytime pics. Bad video. And with future of Android in the air, Huawei is a horrible investment right now when buying a phone.
But hey, keep going with your rant.
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The XR screen is pretty good. I just hate face id, hence why i went back to my 8 plus
Yup. You’re right, this is usually how certain threads like this turn various subjects into something overly exaggerated about a display, when average consumers don’t even understand the remote differences between LCD/OLED. [It’s like or arguing about which type of spearmint gum is better, yet it really all taste the same, The point is, no one argues/discusses gum, same applies to displays.]
Why do you care so much about average consumers? Are you an average consumer? Can you tell the difference?
Average consumers are the biggest and most lucrative market for smartphone manufacturers. Tech enthusiasts are very much at the niche end IMO.
You base your purchasing decisions on what's most lucrative for the company you're buying from?
No, not sure how you came to that conclusion? I buy the best value phone for my needs which in Apples case is not their most expensive range. Hence why having an OLED screen is not on my list of priorities. It just so happens people like me are the biggest market because the most affordable devices are more attractive, hence why Apple sells more of these devices.
Apple charges what it charges. You as a consumer decide if there is a proper value to cost ratio for you.