Oh you mean the Anandtech that's owned by an Apple employee? https://www.cultofmac.com/293436/founder-anandtech-retires-tech-writing-work-apple/
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Other LCD is a better display technology for smartphones than OLED
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Oh you mean the Anandtech that's owned by an Apple employee? https://www.cultofmac.com/293436/founder-anandtech-retires-tech-writing-work-apple/
Except, you didn’t mention to that member that employee/article was also written back in 2014, that’s five years ago. Things have changed.
DisplayMate...LOL...what rating are they at now? A+++++++++++?
Damn, hate to be the one to burst your sensitive bubble, but even ANDROID's XDA Developer site admits that X/XS display is the best.
Here is XDA review of Samsung S10 display: https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-display-review/
The introduction to this review is important to read...so, let me quote for your education (you're welcome BTW): "
Everyone says it: “Samsung makes the best displays for smartphones.” It’s widely regarded as truth and not many try to dispute it. Even fewer try to (or even know how to) individually assess the display. The problem with this is the lack of verification from what is seen on publications (including our own) versus reality and the limited number of valid points of views and shortage of expertise on the matter. What many don’t know is that previous-generation Samsung Galaxy displays did have issues and even lagged behind the competition in certain categories such as color/white point calibration, gamma, and black clipping. They were not perfect displays — they were far from the best in terms of calibration, actually — and most display reviews gave them way more praise than they deserved. Many are also misinformed and claim their displays to be color-accurate when in their default oversaturated profile."
Here are quotes from that review:
"Samsung does a decent job with color accuracy with their standard reference profiles, but the Galaxy S10 continues Samsung’s warmer calibration trend that plagued their previous handsets, still placing it behind other displays like the iPhone X(S) and the Pixel 3 (XL) in color accuracy.
The viewing angles on the Samsung Galaxy S10, at a 30-degree angle, are the lowest we’ve measured so far. The shift is still non-uniform and sudden at acute angles, and still noticeably varies between shifting towards red and shifting towards cyan. It is also always visible on the curved edges of the screen on lighter/white content.
Black smearing is identical to previous generation panels, while black clipping (black crush) has improved (lessened) with the Samsung Galaxy S10. The Galaxy S10, however, is still inferior to OnePlus’ latest handsets in black clipping, and outclassed by the iPhone X-series panels in both these categories.
However, the Samsung Galaxy S10, and any other Android for that matter, should still not be used to professionally edit color-sensitive photos or videos, since photo editor apps with working color management support are still non-existent on Android. This is still best left to Apple devices, including iPhones and iPads.
Ultimately, the balance is best found by tackling it with hardware, like how Apple does with their resolution-specific panels (with higher default PPIs than Samsungs’), but this removes the option for the even-higher resolutions that Samsung provides. Some may find the default option underwhelming while finding the higher resolution overkill, but with no intermediary options, some may find Apple’s approach to panel resolution superior.
As I mentioned in the beginning, Samsung’s panels are not perfect, and the Galaxy S10, too, was revealed to have flaws throughout my review of it. From a purely display-geek and professional calibration-driven point-of-view, however, the iPhone XS is still the superior display package, with textbook ISF calibration at any white level with the least drive variance, superior shadow rendering/black clipping and subpixel response time control, and the company leader in color management support and understanding in colorimetry, receiving the higher A+ grade."
And here is review of Pixel 3 display:
https://www.xda-developers.com/goog...gible-improvement-yet-still-behind-the-curve/
"We would give the Galaxy Note 9 an A rating: Very good brightness with high brightness mode, great gamma control, photos app has some color management. But, it still has black clipping, and we found the color accuracy in the calibrated profiles to not be too impressive. The iPhone X and the iPhone Xs both receive A+ ratings: It has a stellar manual brightness range without utilizing high brightness mode, zero black clipping over its 8-bit intensity range, smart PWM control, the best color accuracy we have measured, good gamma control, and excellent color management with an OS that utilizes wide color. These very noticeable and experience-affecting differences allow it to pull ahead of the Note 9 based on the qualities of the display and how its software handles it...."
Ouch.
I hope that this helps you understand better of what i wrote. It is an honor for me to correct another forum member's misinformation.DisplayMate...LOL...what rating are they at now? A+++++++++++?
Damn, hate to be the one to burst your sensitive bubble, but even ANDROID's XDA Developer site admits that X/XS display is the best.
Here is XDA review of Samsung S10 display: https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-display-review/
The introduction to this review is important to read...so, let me quote for your education (you're welcome BTW): "
Everyone says it: “Samsung makes the best displays for smartphones.” It’s widely regarded as truth and not many try to dispute it. Even fewer try to (or even know how to) individually assess the display. The problem with this is the lack of verification from what is seen on publications (including our own) versus reality and the limited number of valid points of views and shortage of expertise on the matter. What many don’t know is that previous-generation Samsung Galaxy displays did have issues and even lagged behind the competition in certain categories such as color/white point calibration, gamma, and black clipping. They were not perfect displays — they were far from the best in terms of calibration, actually — and most display reviews gave them way more praise than they deserved. Many are also misinformed and claim their displays to be color-accurate when in their default oversaturated profile."
Here are quotes from that review:
"Samsung does a decent job with color accuracy with their standard reference profiles, but the Galaxy S10 continues Samsung’s warmer calibration trend that plagued their previous handsets, still placing it behind other displays like the iPhone X(S) and the Pixel 3 (XL) in color accuracy.
The viewing angles on the Samsung Galaxy S10, at a 30-degree angle, are the lowest we’ve measured so far. The shift is still non-uniform and sudden at acute angles, and still noticeably varies between shifting towards red and shifting towards cyan. It is also always visible on the curved edges of the screen on lighter/white content.
Black smearing is identical to previous generation panels, while black clipping (black crush) has improved (lessened) with the Samsung Galaxy S10. The Galaxy S10, however, is still inferior to OnePlus’ latest handsets in black clipping, and outclassed by the iPhone X-series panels in both these categories.
However, the Samsung Galaxy S10, and any other Android for that matter, should still not be used to professionally edit color-sensitive photos or videos, since photo editor apps with working color management support are still non-existent on Android. This is still best left to Apple devices, including iPhones and iPads.
Ultimately, the balance is best found by tackling it with hardware, like how Apple does with their resolution-specific panels (with higher default PPIs than Samsungs’), but this removes the option for the even-higher resolutions that Samsung provides. Some may find the default option underwhelming while finding the higher resolution overkill, but with no intermediary options, some may find Apple’s approach to panel resolution superior.
As I mentioned in the beginning, Samsung’s panels are not perfect, and the Galaxy S10, too, was revealed to have flaws throughout my review of it. From a purely display-geek and professional calibration-driven point-of-view, however, the iPhone XS is still the superior display package, with textbook ISF calibration at any white level with the least drive variance, superior shadow rendering/black clipping and subpixel response time control, and the company leader in color management support and understanding in colorimetry, receiving the higher A+ grade."
And here is review of Pixel 3 display:
https://www.xda-developers.com/goog...gible-improvement-yet-still-behind-the-curve/
"We would give the Galaxy Note 9 an A rating: Very good brightness with high brightness mode, great gamma control, photos app has some color management. But, it still has black clipping, and we found the color accuracy in the calibrated profiles to not be too impressive. The iPhone X and the iPhone Xs both receive A+ ratings: It has a stellar manual brightness range without utilizing high brightness mode, zero black clipping over its 8-bit intensity range, smart PWM control, the best color accuracy we have measured, good gamma control, and excellent color management with an OS that utilizes wide color. These very noticeable and experience-affecting differences allow it to pull ahead of the Note 9 based on the qualities of the display and how its software handles it...."
Ouch.
I got to call BS on what they wrote about the S10. Especially about the viewing angle.
XDA is THE authoritative site for Android testing IMHO. This was not their first display test.
But either way, Apple’s tuning of Samsung display and software makes X/XS display the best on the market at the present time. And don’t forget the lack of chin at the bottom is all Apple design.
I do appreciate my XS Max having a flat display, with no colour shifting edges, which are now more evident when I use my P30 Pro or a Samsung device.
The X(S) series of OLED panels are far better than what Samsung is putting out even to this day. Their ability to display color accurate vibrant images is unmatched by any other OEM, outputting very high peak brightness as well. This isn't to say that Samsung's S10 screens are bad- the Apple calibrated and designed panels are just in a league of their own.
If you don’t think LCD is an inferior technology in the first place then your analogy struggles to sell OLED. I think LCD is perfectly fine on a phone display and don’t really care either way. Not at all fussed on Android though so specs wouldn’t matter.
Calibration is a key element to Apple and has always been with their LCD panels over the years. But keep in mind, Apple does use Samsung as a primary manufacturer for their OLED panels on their phones (Which Apple partnered with LG in addition as a future OLED supplier..)
I don’t think LG’s panels are up to standard yet which is why Apple haven’t used them yet. Maybe in time they will be able to fix the production issues. I think Apple ultimately want to stop using Samsung’s panels entirely and use LG exclusively. They have invested in LG displays.
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XDA are more relevant with software than hardware. Anyhow I think it comes down to personal preference. Both are good panels. I couldn’t say which one is the best personally because I’ve never put both phones side by side to compare. However I will say I have no complaints with the display on my XS max.
Source? I didn’t see anything through research JDI will be bankrupt? Unless you’re being facetious.
Fine for you to prefer iOS, you should just appreciate that at this point the XR is ~$300 of hardware being sold for around $1000 just because of iOS
Of course if you value iOS at ~$700 then that's not a problem
So, R&D, services, software updates 5+ years, class-leading resale value (by a long shot), etc. don't count for much......just whatever the 3rd party site stated hardware cost is?
Do you know how ignorant your statement sounds? Just saying.
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Laser projector...wonderful. The rest of phone? No so good. Low end chip. Low end camera performance. Running 2 years old software. No 802.11ac.
Wanna bet that you will never see another software update again?
Thanks for pointing such an inferior Android product to highlight iPhones!
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Typical types of comments. Focus on the BOM and then go from there and ignore everything else. As far as the laser projector. I’m sure it’s a must have for some, just not me.So, R&D, services, software updates 5+ years, class-leading resale value (by a long shot), etc. don't count for much......just whatever the 3rd party site stated hardware cost is?
Do you know how ignorant your statement sounds? Just saying.
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Laser projector...wonderful. The rest of phone? No so good. Low end chip. Low end camera performance. Running 2 years old software. No 802.11ac.
Wanna bet that you will never see another software update again?
Thanks for pointing such an inferior Android product to highlight iPhones!
So, R&D, services, software updates 5+ years, class-leading resale value (by a long shot), etc. don't count for much......just whatever the 3rd party site stated hardware cost is?
Do you know how ignorant your statement sounds? Just saying.
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Laser projector...wonderful. The rest of phone? No so good. Low end chip. Low end camera performance. Running 2 years old software. No 802.11ac.
Wanna bet that you will never see another software update again?
Thanks for pointing such an inferior Android product to highlight iPhones!
R&D, software, etc. also apply to other Apple phones and tablets, yet they aren't so massively overpriced as the XR.
You're like someone arguing that since everything in the world bends eventually it's okay if a particular device bends with almost no effort. False equivalency.
XR is the most overpriced device ever.
Yet you’re here going crazy over iPhones....
Take your projector outdated trash elsewhere.
Being purely facetious. In fact I recall reading Apple gave Japan Display some more business in light of their new money problems so they *don't* go bankrupt. But if I was a taxpayer in Japan I would be up in arms over the scam the bailout has become
I disagree. While they may benchmark “accurate” my Xs Max may as well have an lcd Panel for all the difference I can tell. Apple have dialled back the oled pro’s too aggressively imo. Perhaps they are concerned with display burn-in..who knows? It just doesn’t compare favourably with a Samsung display. My previous Samsung’s have all had an initial wow factor, an instant and undeniable appreciation of oled vs lcd that just is missing on iPhone oled. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a nice Retina display..it just doesn’t pop and/or grab my attention the way others do. If that is considered accurate, fair enough but if Samsung see what’s ‘accurate’ and tweak it to the spectacular then I’m Good with that also. I love my max for many different reasons, the display isn’t up there, sadly. I loved my s9+ before for several reasons but the oled display was easily one of the best looking displays I ever saw on a smartphone and easily in my top 3 reasons to love that device
Then you like wildly inaccurate color saturation. Apple is not that.
Well, pretty much to each of their own.Can’t deny the beauty of those inaccuracies though
Me, on the other hand, can’t stare at OLED iPhone for too Long because of the overly vivid color on OLED screen. I can use my LED iPad Pro longer than OLED iPhone, one reason is because LED does not hurt my eyes that much with vivid artificial color.