Let's get one thing straight, Apple software quality is no where as good as it used to be!

[fisherking]

Because of COVID, many Apple employees are working from home, thus...

shouldn't there be more to that sentence?

ie

...it's amazing how well apple is doing, considering.

...they understand our needs better than ever.

...they're doing their best work, because they're comfortable working at home.

...the weekly office raves have been cancelled. 🤔

 

[mazdamiata210]

Before iOS 7 when WWDC ended and we got the beta of whatever iOS version was out I was actually EXCITED to try it and for the most part you could run it as a daily driver without any MAJOR bugs or problems... But these days I don't even update to public released builds because they are so terrible. I personally believe they should have never got rid of Scott Forstall. He had the secret recipe for iOS and ever since he left, it's been trash. I was an avid Call of Duty player and the same thing happened with COD. The original dev team split up due to the higher ups forcing them to do things they did not want to do, ever since then COD has sucked and they almost seem to be incompetent at making a good game.

The problem is, just like with everything else these days, as long as Tim keeps making the shareholders happy by selling record number of products, they will just keep putting out this garbage. So to put it simply, if you want change... Hit em where it hurts, stop buying their products.

Now Android is just as bad, if not worse. I've had both Android and iOS devices. iOS is still the less ****** option in my opinion. If I had to pick, I'd go with a OnePlus phone as my Android device of choice. They offer an "Apple-like" experience when it comes to software.

 

[dk001]

Because of COVID, many Apple employees are working from home, thus...

and?
I can see this being a minor impact but not a major one. There are all kinds of tools out there to help facilitate meetings, hash session, firefighting (software), bug handling, and other activities. Globally my team and others use these all the time and have been. Since the pandemic we have become a lot better using these.

Very doable.

 

[Taz Mangus]

safari freezes after video is done on airplay.

I just encountered this tonight and it seems to always happen. I need to kill off Safari and restart it again. Not good.

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

Before iOS 7 when WWDC ended and we got the beta of whatever iOS version was out I was actually EXCITED to try it and for the most part you could run it as a daily driver without any MAJOR bugs or problems... But these days I don't even update to public released builds because they are so terrible. I personally believe they should have never got rid of Scott Forstall. He had the secret recipe for iOS and ever since he left, it's been trash. I was an avid Call of Duty player and the same thing happened with COD. The original dev team split up due to the higher ups forcing them to do things they did not want to do, ever since then COD has sucked and they almost seem to be incompetent at making a good game.

The problem is, just like with everything else these days, as long as Tim keeps making the shareholders happy by selling record number of products, they will just keep putting out this garbage. So to put it simply, if you want change... Hit em where it hurts, stop buying their products.

Now Android is just as bad, if not worse. I've had both Android and iOS devices. iOS is still the less ****** option in my opinion. If I had to pick, I'd go with a OnePlus phone as my Android device of choice. They offer an "Apple-like" experience when it comes to software.

I agree on the Forstall point. I happen to think he had great taste in design.

The rest of your post, aside from the COD stuff as I've never played it, I couldn't disagree more. Calling iOS terrible/garbage is hilarious. My phone, Watch, iPad and all three Apple TVs in our home work seamlessly and aside from the Bluetooth audio issue I had on beta 3 I haven't had a single complaint since getting my 13 Pro.

 

[I7guy]

Imo the mass scanning thing definitely took a toll on iOS15. Clearly Apple also knew this, thus them keeping iOS14. The unfortunate ones are new buyers with devices having iOS15 out of the box.

Nothing stopping Apple from adding it to ios 14.

 

[JPSaltzman]

I've just learned not to bother downloading iOS x.x until next September, when all the bugs are finally worked out. I'm tired of the weekly update notice. (So, yes, I'm still on iOS 14.8.)

As for the Mac OS, I would much rather go back to the days when we had to pay for the latest Operating System. At $129, Apple was forced to deliver (hopefully) a rather bug-free release. And there wasn't a new release every year, either; it was released when Steve Jobs said it was ready.

But by giving it away free, they can release whatever they want, and fix the bugs later (like, 3 OS versions/years from now).

They need to be held accountable for the lost hours their buggy software causes every business and user.

 

[panzer06]

I've just learned not to bother downloading iOS x.x until next September, when all the bugs are finally worked out. I'm tired of the weekly update notice. (So, yes, I'm still on iOS 14.8.)

As for the Mac OS, I would much rather go back to the days when we had to pay for the latest Operating System. At $129, Apple was forced to deliver (hopefully) a rather bug-free release. And there wasn't a new release every year, either; it was released when Steve Jobs said it was ready.

But by giving it away free, they can release whatever they want, and fix the bugs later (like, 3 OS versions/years from now).

They need to be held accountable for the lost hours their buggy software causes every business and user.

I like free but definitely prefer a couple of years between major OS update. I'm still on Catalina and it took forever for me to move because my old tax files are on a 32 bit app. I hate switching but had to if I wanted some of the new features.

 

[alphasports]

Hear the same thing regarding Samsung software, I’m never getting tricked again into using their phones, worse user experience out there.

Good luck to you, hopefully everything works out for you.

I have androids (OnePlus 7, pixel 5) and iPhones (12)...if you can't resist crossing the aisle to android then IMO you're better off with a Pixel as it has the least-bloated version of the OS and probably the best cams in the industry. Samsung is a hard pass as they cram their phones full of all kinds of undeletable garbage and always try to get you to sign up for their own stupid ecosystem as if Apple and Google aren't enough. After the last few years on androids I got bored and grabbed the iPhone 12 on sale a month ago and while the OS leaves some things to be desired it's really pretty good, has a few nice features android doesn't (and vice versa). In a crazy twist I bought a MacBook Air M1 to replace an older surface a couple weeks ago and LOVE it, haven't run Macs in years, this thing is really fantastic, very hard to believe it's so much cheaper than even a mid-tier iPhone, so ya, for now am back playing with Macs & iPhones.

 

[alphasports]

I use both on a daily basis and windows is not better overall.

I have pain points on both windows and Mac OS. There both also have features that I miss when using the other.

Right now I prefer Mac because the MacBook Air with the M1 is arguably the best laptop right now. I also love the Apple displays and like Touch ID.

On the desktop side, I do prefer windows and PC’s because I have more choice and the current choices with Apple don’t align with me.

Pretty much agree completely. Just bought a MBA M1 as my first Mac in many years, love it, can't believe it's cheaper than most iPhones. But my office and home are all running Windows 10 with no issues. The cross-pollination between the 2 OS's makes it pretty painless to use both.

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

I really wish OP would change the thread title on this. While it's a good thread with a lot of good discussion, the title is nothing but an opinion being pushed as fact.

 

[fluxtransistor]

I think the interesting debate here is unfortunately cloaked with a lot of subjectivity and drama...

We can't compare 2011 Apple to 2021 Apple.

If you think about it, each iPhone sets a new baseline for generations to come. We can't get groundbreaking new features all the time! iOS has all the functionality you could hope for and more.

The iPhone 4 was a great phone. Is it still a great phone? Absolutely. I used mine for two months this year as a daily driver, purely voluntarily. This is coming from an iPhone 11; I missed a lot of app support and cool functionality, but iOS 6 had pretty much all the basic stuff I needed. And it was a wonderful experience—the usefulness of a phone is absolute, not relative, and we should remember that.

I then upgraded to a 13 Mini, and got to feel the love of a new phone all over again. Only then did I realise how much I was missing, from iCloud Photos to Apple's absolutely perfect, natural, single-gesture app switcher.

Point being, I quit whining about how user interfaces can't improve exponentially. iOS 15 has no significant "bugs", I've used it since dev beta day 1 on my iPhone and iPad, and it's been fine. On the contrary, the things I do all the time, like switching apps, typing, or using the Control Centre, are all buttery smooth to the extent that I don't even have to think about what I'm doing.


P.S.: Funny how you mentioned how earlier, paid versions of OS X had less bugs. Do we not remember the buggy mess that was early OS X?

 

[ian87w]

Nothing stopping Apple from adding it to ios 14.

Sure, but to do that, Apple has to update iOS14 with the hashed database. We'll see if that's coming.

 

[Taz Mangus]

safari freezes after video is done on airplay.
I just encountered this tonight and it seems to always happen. I need to kill off Safari and restart it again. Not good.

I just encountered this tonight and it seems to always happen. I need to kill off Safari and restart it again. Not good.

I found a work around for Safari freezing on the iPhone, before the video ends take it out of full screen mode on the iPhone. Once that happens, I was not experiencing Safari freezing anymore. No need to kill and restart Safari on the iPhone.

 

[smoking monkey]

Agree and disagree. Software is far more complicated today and so many pieces have to fit together - particularly with communication aspects of the OS. But Apple do some dumb things. they sometimes fiddle with stuff that ain’t broken and make it worse or break it. Podcast app is just one example.
As for the past, iOS6 was bloody rock solid and Snow leopard was the king of stability. I don’t think we will ever get OSes as stable as these two ever again. And if you used Mac OS 8, you will remember that things we sometimes bad in the old days!

 

[EM2013]

I found a work around for Safari freezing on the iPhone, before the video ends take it out of full screen mode on the iPhone. Once that happens, I was not experiencing Safari freezing anymore. No need to kill and restart Safari on the iPhone.

Funny you mentioned that cause I noticed that earlier by accident.

I exited full screen & swiped back to the previous page before the ‘subscribe to the yt channel’ started

 

[bluecoast]

Agree and disagree. Software is far more complicated today and so many pieces have to fit together - particularly with communication aspects of the OS. But Apple do some dumb things. they sometimes fiddle with stuff that ain’t broken and make it worse or break it. Podcast app is just one example.
As for the past, iOS6 was bloody rock solid and Snow leopard was the king of stability. I don’t think we will ever get OSes as stable as these two ever again. And if you used Mac OS 8, you will remember that things we sometimes bad in the old days!

I too remember Snow leopard fondly. iOS 6 wasn’t all perfect - it did have the debut of Apple Maps!

I’m frustrated as I want iOS to have a ‘snow leopard’ era for few years ie where nearly all the work is beneath the hood and stability is prized over feature and change.

I can’t think of any ‘must have’ feature in iOS 15 except for the improvements to FaceTime (although arguably this is a belated attempt to try and bring FaceTime more up to speed with other competitive services).

The rest seems like pointless noodling or shipping work that isn’t ready yet (the Safari UI changes). Minor QoL changes are always good though.

I’d rather that they put more focus onto iPadOS - and filled in the glaring gaps there - and put more work into bringing iPadOS & MacOS (and their apps) far closer.

 

[EM2013]

Holding fast forward or rewind on any video on any site completely breaks the video. Still broken on 15.0.2

This is the first time I regret updating.

 

[docinbc]

iOS 15 is a very buggy release and animations are choppy on my iPhone 8.

Gone are the days of smooth apple software. I have ordered a samsung phone because I want something new and iOS has gotten boring
for me.

Let's not even talk about macOS, its buggy to point where a chromebook is more stable.

Chuckle. Enjoy the Samsung … do a little search for Samsung buggy … you are about to be educated. The truth is that this software, regardless the platform, has become so complex it is hard not to be buggy. The engineers are really quite amazing just to make the things run. By the by, being something of a luddite, I remain happy with my iPhone 7 and it runs fine with iOS 15.

 

[Septembersrain]

That's why I'm still on the iPhone 11 Pro Max on 13.3 and I'm primarily using an Android. My old 12.9 first gen pro Apple tablet is also on an older iOS. When it is time to replace, I'll be likely getting a 2-1 tablet/laptop with Windows. Sure, for many Apple does just fine. Just not really going in the direction I want to go.

 

[panzer06]

That's why I'm still on the iPhone 11 Pro Max on 13.3 and I'm primarily using an Android. My old 12.9 first gen pro Apple tablet is also on an older iOS. When it is time to replace, I'll be likely getting a 2-1 tablet/laptop with Windows. Sure, for many Apple does just fine. Just not really going in the direction I want to go.

I actually understand this. I do use windows for many things and have dedicated systems for just that. The mess they made of Safari is horrible. Completely unusable for many sites now. on my Macs I use Chrome and I really really did not want to.

 

[fisherking]

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[Jayson A]

iOS 14.8 works flawlessly for me and there’s nothing in 15 that I absolutely have to have so I’ll stay on 14.8 for as long as I can.

 

[fisherking]

iOS 14.8 works flawlessly for me and there’s nothing in 15 that I absolutely have to have so I’ll stay on 14.8 for as long as I can.

what about the changes 'under the hood'...? 🤔

 

[iHorseHead]

If I had to use android, it would be a pixel, no bloat and more stable software, recommend waiting for the pixel 6 pro.

Motorola? I use Motorola and it had no bloat on it. They basically have stock Android on their phones.
Why do many people on this forum act as if Samsung and Pixel were your only choices? Android market is full of many choices and therefore you can't really judge Android as easily as you can iOS. Motorola also supports their software longer than for example Sony. I was disappointed with Sony's support for real.