Let's get one thing straight, Apple software quality is no where as good as it used to be!

[bluecoast]

Hey, nothing wrong with having a strong opinion, my friend. Hell, I respect that. Just have evidence to back it up and it’ll be nothing but civil discussion with me.

This is exactly what I’ve been saying. They’re focusing on their flagships rather than catering to the lame horse that’s still being dragged along by its reigns *cough6scough*

Emphasis mine. How many gigs of RAM does the XR have? And how many in the 13 Pro/Max? How about the M1 iPad Pro?

Clearly they’re building an OS for the more powerful devices and I say GOOD.

Well said. You know how many people I’ve talked into at least looking at the new 13 line? How many have proceeded to buy? All because of the praise I’ve been singing. Call me a sheep if you want. This phone is 🔥.

The one time I had with a non-Apple device that I didn’t want to toss into a fire was my original Pixel. If I had been able to use my Apple Watch with it I’d probably be all Pixel. It’s aaaaall about that ecosystem. It’s too late now though. I’d love to try a new Pixel when they drop but that would mean I’d lose all the integration I’ve built into our home. No thanks. Mayyyybe a hobby phone to root and tinker. A guy can dream I guess.

You’re assuming that everyone should update tones hardware easy year and it’s almost their own fault if they upgrade to a major point version on an older device!

I’d say that:

From an environmental POV, it’s not great if too many people buy new devices each year!

And at any rate, people just don’t.

Smart phones are now good enough to last 3-5 years for most people.

Apple has no obligation to support so many devices with the new major point release OS, true. Often I’d wish they didn’t.

My problem is with Apple saying that iOS 15 is ready for devices with the A9-12, when it’s obviously either not optimised for them yet, or that it needs more ram to run properly.

If the latter is the case, I’d rather they were more strict with the supported processors and provided major security updates for a few more years for devices that could run 14.

It’s not cool if people push the upgrade button for the new shiny stuff and find that their perfectly fine phones on 14 are now dog slow - with no way back.

Btw for myself, I have PWM sensitivity. I can’t upgrade to any of the OLED devices - it hurts my eyes too much.

So I have a choice of jumping from the XR to the 11 - not worth it by all accounts, or to the SE2 ie to a form factor from 2017 🤷‍♂️.

 

[bollman]

How about getting rid of animations, fluff, gloss, whatever, just gone. I need to get **** done on my devices, not look at fancy graphical crap.

 

[adrianlondon]

Please try the pixel 5a or the 4a. It provides a clean, no bloat experience.

Android separates its stock apps from the OS and they get updated pretty regularly.

Also the androids OS updates themselves on Pixel phones require no restart.

IMO, android has a come a long way and its a fun experience to try something new.

Maybe for my next phone - who knows.

However, one thing I like about iOS is that the latest iOS 15 beta, and in fact all previous betas, works really well on my backup phone, a 16GB iPhone 6S.

I know this forum is full of people moaning about how their brand new iPhone 13 Pro is melting, stuttering, and the battery only lasts 5 minutes, but my 6S and 11 run well.

 

[mxrider88]

Yes but not since iOS 15, it’s been since 2012 or so.
I want Scott Forstall and Bertrand Serlet back on the Operating systems!! 😭

 

[canpoyrazoglu]

Apple's software QA/QC is getting worse and worse everyday, and it really sucks. BUT, still even with all that, it's better than the competition IMO.

 

[djcerla]

There are some bugs here and there in iOS 15.

But, coming from an era of dual processor Macs and System 9, all seems absolutely rock solid to me nowadays, much, much better than the old days, despite systems complexity orders of magnitude greater.

 

[LFC2020]

one example is the music app on macOS, its utter garbage.

That battery life though 😍 can’t get this on windows, off the charger at 100% Saturday night, started using it again on Sunday, over 6 hours usage with 67% battery life left.

This is the little guy, base model MacBook Pro, wait till the big boy widens the lead next month. 😜👌

 

[matrix07]

Not sure about “it used to be”. I remember iOS 7 was quite buggy, and that’s when iOS was far from as complicated as nowadays.

 

[fisherking]

Does that mean we excuse apples poor quality these days??

Apple was not a trillion dollar company back then and now you see how backwards Apple software has gone in quality these past 15 years.


one example is the music app on macOS, its utter garbage.

here, let me fix that for you:

"Does that mean we excuse what i consider apples poor quality these days??"

"Apple was not a trillion dollar company back then and now I feel that you see how backwards Apple software has gone in quality these past 15 years."

"one example is the music app on macOS, which, for me, its utter garbage."

now those statements have value, as they express what is, after all, just your opinion.

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

A lot of you here weren't around for the System 6/7 days and it shows

Past performance is not indicative of future results.

 

[fisherking]

How about getting rid of animations, fluff, gloss, whatever, just gone. I need to get **** done on my devices, not look at fancy graphical crap.

you can, at least, do this: settings>accessibility>motion>reduce motion. i've had that set that way since forever; helps.

 

[Larsvonhier]

iOS 15 is a very buggy release and animations are choppy on my iPhone 8.

Gone are the days of smooth apple software. I have ordered a samsung phone because I want something new and iOS has gotten boring
for me.

Let's not even talk about macOS, its buggy to point where a chromebook is more stable.

don´t feed the trolls...

 

[Yrmmont]

iOS 15 is a very buggy release and animations are choppy on my iPhone 8.

Gone are the days of smooth apple software. I have ordered a samsung phone because I want something new and iOS has gotten boring
for me.

Let's not even talk about macOS, its buggy to point where a chromebook is more stable.

Well, that’s one person’s opinion🤮

 

[Sammy in SoCal]

Does that mean we excuse apples poor quality these days??

Apple was not a trillion dollar company back then and now you see how backwards Apple software has gone in quality these past 15 years.


one example is the music app on macOS, its utter garbage.

If Apple was poor quality I wouldn’t buy their products. they’ve only enhanced my life and made me money. I dont use android because it seems like there are security Issues all the time and not every device gets quick updates like apple just did a patch with 15.0.2. i have significant sums of cash in my banking and investment apps and I can’t trust androids unstable, prone to security issues, mess.

Give me point by point all their poor quality. And nobody cares about your music app on MacOS. Lol

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

You’re assuming that everyone should update tones hardware easy year and it’s almost their own fault if they upgrade to a major point version on an older device!

I’d say that:

From an environmental POV, it’s not great if too many people buy new devices each year!

And at any rate, people just don’t.

Smart phones are now good enough to last 3-5 years for most people.

Apple has no obligation to support so many devices with the new major point release OS, true. Often I’d wish they didn’t.

My problem is with Apple saying that iOS 15 is ready for devices with the A9-12, when it’s obviously either not optimised for them yet, or that it needs more ram to run properly.

If the latter is the case, I’d rather they were more strict with the supported processors and provided major security updates for a few more years for devices that could run 14.

It’s not cool if people push the upgrade button for the new shiny stuff and find that their perfectly fine phones on 14 are now dog slow - with no way back.

Btw for myself, I have PWM sensitivity. I can’t upgrade to any of the OLED devices - it hurts my eyes too much.

So I have a choice of jumping from the XR to the 11 - not worth it by all accounts, or to the SE2 ie to a form factor from 2017 🤷‍♂️.

Please don't presume to tell me what I assume. At no time have I said I expect everybody to upgrade; your words, not mine.

I completely agree that it's not economical for everyone to upgrade year over year but every two to three seems reasonable to me. The 6S is six generations old. That's legacy hardware for most other electronics.

I dunno, seems to me that having the option to upgrade and get the new features at the cost of performance is a good thing. You don't like how it works on the new software, downgrade. Not sure why you're saying there's no way back; that's just not the case.

In regards to PWM sensitivity, the 13 series with it's higher refresh rate has less PWM flicker as has been shown in several comparison videos so you're discounting new hardware without even doing the proper research.

 

[macfacts]

iOS 15 is way buggier than iPhoneOS 3 for sure. However, iOS 15 does WAY WAY more stuff. There is just more opportunity for bugs. Further, everyone gets access to the iOS update simultaneously. This allows a lot more bugs to be found by the different sets of hardware and use cases.

People who want more stability can stick with the previous OS now while still keeping security patches. Those who want new features will have to endure the occasional bug.

Still, I hold Apple to a higher standard than any other company. They should do better.

Apple doesn't provide security updates only, they are bundled in one big blob, all OS and apps and security and bugs in one update, you can't pick and choose.

 

[vddobrev]

And nobody cares about your music app on MacOS. Lol

Wait, what? Why you think that? Many people care. Music is one of Apple’s core services. Remember iPod? As it stands now, Music app on macOS is crap, and it has been for the last two years.

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

Apple doesn't provide security updates only, they are bundled in one big blob, all OS and apps and security and bugs in one update, you can't pick and choose.

Yes, they do. As of this year. The 12 series and below have the option to install whatever subsequent iOS 14 releases are pushed without having to dodge the iOS 15 update. Here's my work SE:

 

[fisherking]

iOS 15 is a very buggy release and animations are choppy on my iPhone 8.

Gone are the days of smooth apple software. I have ordered a samsung phone because I want something new and iOS has gotten boring
for me.

Let's not even talk about macOS, its buggy to point where a chromebook is more stable.

shouldn't you be on an android forum somewhere? this is the apple/ios 15 forum. and mac os is doing great here (on both my macs). i agree with you: "Let's not even talk about macOS" 👍

Wait, what? Why you think that? Many people care. Music is one of Apple’s core services. Remember iPod? As it stands now, Music app on macOS is crap, and it has been for the last two years.

not on my macs, where the music app works perfectly well.

 

[-BigMac-]

iOS 15 is a very buggy release and animations are choppy on my iPhone 8.

Gone are the days of smooth apple software. I have ordered a samsung phone because I want something new and iOS has gotten boring
for me.

Let's not even talk about macOS, its buggy to point where a chromebook is more stable.

Let me get this straight..

You are saying. Current software on a 4 year old iPhone is choppy, and because of that.. apple software quality is worse?

So current software on 4 year old hardware.

ok. So Apples for Apples comparison is like..

Running iOS5 on original iPhone. Cos that would be choppy as sh*t..

As would iOS6 on iPhone 3Gs. That wouldnt be SMOOTH by any means.

Grabby thread title tho

 

[ahurst]

How about getting rid of animations, fluff, gloss, whatever, just gone. I need to get **** done on my devices, not look at fancy graphical crap.

On iOS, you can go to Settings > Accessibility > Motion > Reduce Motion to get rid of 90% of it. I do it automatically after every fresh install of iOS!

macOS likely has something similar, but I've never bothered since it's a lot less heavy on full-screen animations.

 

[AnthroMatt]

Devices are also a lot more complicated than they used to be. As someone that has bounced between Android and iOS every few years or so, I have to say that once the honeymoon is over with the new OS, you start to find little things that annoy you everywhere. I still think the iPhone is a more stable device than any Android device I have used. But I've never had such a bad experience with any phone, save the earliest Samsung ("Samsuck") Android devices, that I was driven away because the OS was too buggy for me.

 

[dk001]

Hey, nothing wrong with having a strong opinion, my friend. Hell, I respect that. Just have evidence to back it up and it’ll be nothing but civil discussion with me.

This is exactly what I’ve been saying. They’re focusing on their flagships rather than catering to the lame horse that’s still being dragged along by its reigns *cough6scough*

Emphasis mine. How many gigs of RAM does the XR have? And how many in the 13 Pro/Max? How about the M1 iPad Pro?

Clearly they’re building an OS for the more powerful devices and I say GOOD.

...

For that reason alone Apple should allow older devices to stay on their originating OS model.
But they don't.

 

[Taz Mangus]

Or the poor battery life on my 13 PM.

Not my experience with battery life. I have had stellar battery life with my 13 Pro Max. I have not installed 15.0.2 yet.

 

[dk001]

Biggest reason I changed my main device from iOS to Android was ... bugs. And how Apple handles them - or doesn't.
Don't get me wrong, iOS is a great OS however when there are bugs especially core long term bugs, until recently you couldn't swap core apps and keep going. You can kinda sorta these days.

These days that is still my biggest pet iOS peeve: software bugs. I expect some minor, maybe an occasional major in non-core apps however that hasn't been the case. Even with all the betas and all the bugs we file. I have far less issues with my OnePlus 9 Pro than I do with with my 12 ProMax. For me it is that simple.