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jido

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Learn to be a MacOS superuser. It is very rewarding.
The OS shoots for consistency over “logic” (sadly there are places where it fails). Also it encourages exploration.
I think you should have at least one MacOS device, even if it’s a base MBA M1, to play with.
 

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Okay, I think I made my decision. I am going to order a base model 14" M3 Pro in the next few days and sell my very old but still working well desktop PC (I want to sell it before it loses any more value). Let's see how this turns out when I try to completely switch over to macOS. There were things that I really did like about macOS during my brief experience with it (like how my iPhone and Mac worked together) so I am itching to give it another "proper" go. This time I won't be going in blind as I have the basics down already.
 
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MisterSavage

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Okay, I think I made my decision. I am going to order a base model 14" M3 Pro in the next few days and sell my very old but still working well desktop PC (I want to sell it before it loses any more value). Let's see how this turns out when I try to completely switch over to macOS. There were things that I really did like about macOS during my brief experience with it (like how my iPhone and Mac worked together) so I am itching to give it another "proper" go. This time I won't be going in blind as I have the basics down already.
Feel free to post about functionality you don't understand or can't find. Would be happy to try and help.
 
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Based on my use case for the laptop stated earlier in the thread, would 18 GB RAM be enough for the next 5 years of macOS updates?
 

jido

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My use case for a computer (whether is it Windows or macOS) is light daily usage such as Internet browsing, streaming movies/music and watching MKV files, communication apps like WhatsApp and Discord, apps like Zoom and TeamViewer for work, and productivity apps like Microsoft Office.

I could do this on Windows or macOS and the OS I choose is not likely to make a difference for the apps I use. However, it's the OS itself that is different and that is what I am trying to decide between. I am comfortable with Windows but want to try macOS but don't want to regret it. I read all these posts about how macOS is "so much better" than Windows for productivity and other such tasks so I am curious.

Also, I notice how people say macOS "just works" but so does my Windows desktop PC. I haven't had a BSOD or crash in over 10 years (and when I did it was because of faulty RAM). Also, those people who complain about seeing ads in Windows, well I don't see that either. My Windows install is pretty much as "clean" as macOS. But my current desktop PC is about to be 12 years old and it's time for a new computer. Want to try out macOS as long as I won't regret it by missing things that are easy to do or possible in Windows.
You won't need more than 18 GB for that, today or in five years.
If you do want to be able to game maybe go for the next level? But for the usage above I would rather put my money into disk capacity.
 
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You won't need more than 18 GB for that, today or in five years.
If you do want to be able to game maybe go for the next level? But for the usage above I would rather put my money into disk capacity.
Thanks.

Pretty sure I won't need more than the base model M3 Pro's 512 GB SSD. My 256 GB SSD in my PC only has 65 GB used and my 2 TB HDD only has 134 GB used (which actually has 1 game installed that I don't really play much and is 101 GB).
 

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Also, just to confirm, there is no need for me to get the M3 Max over the M3 Pro based on my use case even for the next 5 years, correct?
 

davidlv

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Also, just to confirm, there is no need for me to get the M3 Max over the M3 Pro based on my use case even for the next 5 years, correct?
I think you really need to consider only your possible usage patterns when deciding about RAM. If you are going to do serious video or music production, get as much as you can afford. Otherwise, with your current usage, 18GB will be fine. MacOS is really efficient in regard to RAM usage. I have similar usage to yours, and my MBA with 16gb has never been into the yellow memory pressure range. Storage also depends on how much you hoard stuff. I went with 1TB but that was a mistake. I should have the 512GB SSD, now I have more than 860GB free!
If you can afford it, bump up the RAM to 32GB. If not, use the new M3 for a couple of years and buy a new one!
 

jido

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The M3 Pro has very good oomph and even the base M3 is strong. But the Pro chip has advantages, like a better GPU than M3 and more memory bandwidth.
 

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Can't seem to decide between Space Black and Silver. Based on the comments and videos online, Space Black is more of a very dark gray instead of a true black. Kinda makes the MacBook Pro look a bit generic? With Silver, you get a nice contrast between the keyboard and laptop body. Silver also seems more classy. Any comments/opinions on the color choices? I also like how there is a bit of contrast between the screen bezels and the laptop body on Silver.
 
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drugdoubles

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I was big into Macintosh in the 1990's.
Switched to PC in 2001 for better games and software.
Needed a Laptop during COVID and bought a Macbook Pro just to try Mac again.

Impressions?

I still have my PC setup but have mostly switched to Apple.
iPhone 14 Pro
Macbook Air M1
iMac 27 2020.

MacOS just works and is aesthetically pleasing. It makes using the computer feel like an adventure.
The android phones and their bloatware are garbage after 1-2 years and windows laptops are chincy glitch traps.

If you want gaming, you need the PC, although it's pretty easy to justify having both platforms.

Windows and Linux just work fine too. macOS has default pretty interface and M series has truly outstanding battery life and low heat, but basically hopeless for gamer or AI since no gpu card.
 

iMac27LoverButNowSad

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With macOS you got a much less snappier OS than Windows but without that crazy privacy issues.
Also the "traffic light" buttons for closing the app are as small as it gets and you cant just hit the edge of the display to exit a software, you have to precisely click on the ******* small button to do anything.
 

davidlv

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With macOS you got a much less snappier OS than Windows but without that crazy privacy issues.
Also the "traffic light" buttons for closing the app are as small as it gets and you cant just hit the edge of the display to exit a software, you have to precisely click on the ******* small button to do anything.
ever heard of Command + q?
and it's those crazy privacy issues, and snap snap, who says less snappy?
 
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BinkyTheToaster

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My use case for a computer (whether is it Windows or macOS) is light daily usage such as Internet browsing, streaming movies/music and watching MKV files, communication apps like WhatsApp and Discord, apps like Zoom and TeamViewer for work, and productivity apps like Microsoft Office.

I could do this on Windows or macOS and the OS I choose is not likely to make a difference for the apps I use. However, it's the OS itself that is different and that is what I am trying to decide between. I am comfortable with Windows but want to try macOS but don't want to regret it. I read all these posts about how macOS is "so much better" than Windows for productivity and other such tasks so I am curious.

Also, I notice how people say macOS "just works" but so does my Windows desktop PC. I haven't had a BSOD or crash in over 10 years (and when I did it was because of faulty RAM). Also, those people who complain about seeing ads in Windows, well I don't see that either. My Windows install is pretty much as "clean" as macOS. But my current desktop PC is about to be 12 years old and it's time for a new computer. Want to try out macOS as long as I won't regret it by missing things that are easy to do or possible in Windows.
I'm not suggesting either. There's a level of learning curve that comes with switching platforms, and since you've a significant mental investment in Windows it may be better to stick with that. If you have any of the iDevices like the phone or tablet it may be a good choice. The interplay and interoperability between them is one of the key features I've enjoyed; the headphones particularly will let you listen to the Mac all day and should you receive a call will switch seamlessly to the phone to answer it. It can be a tad annoying, like if an alert (I use the Health app) pops through the 'phones will switch, pausing any media you may have had playing. That said, it's a big plus, at least for me. As for other usability bits, a big part of the Mac is that the UI is actually designed to make significant use of the KB in addition to the mouse. Also, the menu bar up top is meant, as a UI component, to display any and every function you can perform on the content of the active window, including all the KB shortcuts. I've had times where I barely had to use the mouse to accomplish a given task. Sending an email for example doesn't even need one at all, as the KB shortcuts can do literally everything, from the create new function all the way through to sending. I know this is also likely possible with Outlook (and keep in mind that Outlook for Mac is not real Outlook, if MS used the actual OS functionality it would be too much of a better product, and I am not kidding), but to me it just feels more fluid. Multitasking can actually be easier; Mission Control (or Exposé as it was previously called) better displays all open windows and can group by application as a toggle in System Settings. Updates are less likely to eat piles of time as they're on 2-month cycles. The later versions update faster, and seem to run smoother on Apple Silicon Macs, but YMMV.

Given your use case, I'd recommend a Mac, as you can do everything you listed with the built-in tools, and the multimedia apps are superior IMO. The performance for same destroys Windows PC hardware save for a full desktop system, and then only in the highest-performance cases.
 

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So Apple extended the return period to 2 months for the holiday season. Seems like the perfect time to buy.
 
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picpicmac

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Just placed my order for the base model 14" M3 Pro in Space Black.
Should be quite the ride.

I was going to post the YouTube video of Art is Right's recent video, in which he compared the M3 Pro vs. M2 Pro vs. M1 Pro versions of Mac Book Pro laptops. As you've taken the leap that is no longer relevant, though if you are interested in a photographer's take on these machines look him up on YouTube.

Many times I have seen posts and videos about this kind of transition (from Windows to MacOS) and while some people try to be helpful, others just want a flame war. I've used everything from early VMS and TRSDOS through the entire early suite of MS-DOS and Windows, Macs since the beginning, flavors of UNIX, AmigaDOS, and so on. What I use now (and since 2003) is MacOS (aka OSX) and I find it fits my needs well.

Every user brings their own needs and every system brings their own design.

Apple has a YouTube channel for tips, but they don't post often. Mac Most is a channel and website that has many tutorials and you might find something there to be of use to you: https://www.youtube.com/@macmost . There is often more than one way to do anything you want on MacOS and I am constantly discovering something new.
 
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VivienM

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I have not read the full thread yet, so sorry if I repeat some points made by others.

I'm barely older than the OP; my family had a Mac SE until 1995, I was a Very Big Mac Guy at the time. Certainly imagined that the SE would get replaced with an LC 630 or a Power Mac 6100. Then in early 1995, my dad decided to go DOS/Windows, so... that was the end of me and the Mac until, oh, 2015, when I got a refurbished mid-2014 retina MacBook Pro. And my number of Macs has grown since then - I guess I have 2.5 modern Macs, 3ish vintage Macs. But I also have a whole bunch of Windows machines. Oh, and my mom had gone Mac in late 2013 and I convinced my dad to replace a dying Windows laptop with an M1 Mac Mini.

My general view:
1) Me wading back into the Mac pool was driven by TWO unspeakable insults from Microsoft:
a) Windows 8, which attempted to turn my high-end productivity machines into ridiculous tablets with their cynical disastrous UI, and
b) Windows 11, where they had the audacity to tell me that my i7-7700 with 64 gigs of RAM, a big NVMe SSD, etc didn't meet their "performance and reliability expectations" and was therefore unsupported (and liable to break any Patch Tuesday if I force installed it) while some piece of trash one-year newer Jxxxx Celeron with 4 gigs of RAM and 32 gigs of eMMC does.
For decades, there was an unspoken understanding with Microsoft that if you bought expensive good hardware, then when you handed your money for the next version of Windows or two, that next version of Windows would treat you nicely. (The peak of this principle was perhaps Vista - while there's a lot of Vista hate out there, I had good hardware, including a ~2005 laptop where I had wisely picked the optional graphics chip that would turn out to be compatible with Aero Glass whereas the on-chipset graphics offered on that model would not be, and Vista treated me perfectly well) Then they gradually lowered how much money they wanted for the next version of Windows (until reaching a point where they stopped taking your money at all) and came up with this insulting BS.

2) The Mac is much, much more conservative. The "System Preferences" in OS X... I don't think changed from the early 10.x releases until Ventura. In those same 20 years, how many times has Microsoft rejigged the Windows Control Panel/Settings app/etc?
I have machines with Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard, High Sierra, Ventura and Sonoma at the moment. You can tell the family resemblance far, far, far more than between, say, XP and Windows 11.

There's even a family resemblance with the classic OS which is... quite remarkable. I think you could take someone who spent 30 years running System 7 on a IIsi and put them in front of Sonoma and they would be a LOT more comfortable than someone who spent 30 years on DOS/Windows 3.1 and you put them in front of Windows 11.

3) There is a unity of purpose to the Mac OS that no version of Windows past 7 had had. The Mac OS understands that it is a productivity-centric, keyboard/mouse OS. If you want touch, Apple will sell you a different device with a "different" OS. Meanwhile, Microsoft has this vampire squid attitude of trying to turn Windows into an OS for everything.

4) The Mac hardware is generally better. It wasn't true in 2006 when you could get a Dell with basically the same internals as a polycarbonate MacBook, but since then, you have seen innovations like retina displays (no reasonable Windows person would get a high-resolution screen on a Windows machine...), not to mention that Macs consistently don't cheap out on little things like wifi controllers whereas Dell/HP/Lenovo/etc love to sneak in compromised parts on their consumer machines. I would also note that I always hated trackpads (give me a Dell/Lenovo with a pointing stick any day) until I started using Apple's.

5) Mobile. Assuming you use iPhones (don't all reasonable people?), there's nice integration between Macs and iPhones, e.g. the ability to send your iMessages/SMSes from the Mac. I believe Microsoft now has some integration with Android, but I've never used Android and am too old for Android.

6) Apple is responsible for everything with the Mac, so there shouldn't be any driver/compatibility/etc type issues with the built-in parts. That being said... my M1 Max MBP was affected by that audio issue that took 6+ months to fix, so sometimes Apple isn't perfect either.

7) This does not apply much to younger techier users, but I would recommend Macs for, say, seniors, simply because of the Apple stores. You know they can get reasonable service/help/etc from the Apple stores. There's no real equivalent for Windows machines - what is the closest? Geek Squad? Those guys are clueless and greedy and I wouldn't send my worst enemy's grandmother there.

8) Back in 1995 when my dad decided to abandon the Mac, there was a clear and growing software gap between the two platforms. Lots and lots of Windows-only software. But... it's worth noting, most new "software" the past 15 years has been web-based. If Chrome is the new OS, Chrome runs just as well (maybe better) on a Mac than on a Windows machine. And similarly, most new "desktop" software nowadays is Electron. Electron is a dreadful idea that performs just as badly on Windows as it does on Mac, but almost everyone using Electron provides both a Mac and Windows version of the resulting garbage, so you can have a lousy, RAM-guzzling experience on your Apple Silicon Mac or your Intel Windows machine.
And even for non-web-based software, as Mac market share (especially Mac laptops) has grown, a lot of previously Windows-only software has made the move. e.g. my favourite SSH client for Windows for 20 years has been VanDyke's SecureCRT. While they are nowhere near as good at Mac support as the Mac loyalists (BBEdit, GraphicConverter, PCalc, the usual suspects who have adopted every new Apple thing for decades in the first week after launch), they have a feature-complete, Apple Silicon-native version for Mac, and have had it for quite a long time now.

There is still a big huge software gap for games, but not really for anything else.

9) I hate, hate, hate to say this on a Mac forum, but Windows (the NT-based versions, that is, especially 7 and later) is more stable in my experience. On good hardware with good drivers with tons of RAM and automatic updates disabled, you can run Windows for months and months and it will just keep going. I have generally found that OS X occasionally requires reboots... and even occasionally gets into situations where you can't seem to nicely reboot it and have to hit Cmd-Control-Power. There was a bug (now fixed I believe) where it would stop processing touchpad clicks in certain circumstances too, which is... real fun (try nicely rebooting a system with no ability to click the mouse - if you had a terminal window you can Cmd-Tab to and do a shutdown -r now in, you're fine, otherwise... ouch). Maybe third party software (e.g. Sophos) is to blame, but that's just my experience.
 
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Fishrrman

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OP wrote:
"Just placed my order for the base model 14" M3 Pro in Space Black."

Suggestion:
Keep the Windows machine up-and-running for several weeks after you get the Mac.
This way, if you run into problems "on the Mac side", you still have your "old, familiar" way of working to fall back upon.

I understand there's a special version of "Migration Assistant" to help get things "moved over" from the PC, but I have no experience with it. Perhaps others will comment.

If you're going to move things over "manually", I suggest you do so a little at a time.
That is... get documents moved, then work on music, then pics, etc.

Best of luck on the Mac experience!
 

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OP wrote:
"Just placed my order for the base model 14" M3 Pro in Space Black."

Suggestion:
Keep the Windows machine up-and-running for several weeks after you get the Mac.
This way, if you run into problems "on the Mac side", you still have your "old, familiar" way of working to fall back upon.

I understand there's a special version of "Migration Assistant" to help get things "moved over" from the PC, but I have no experience with it. Perhaps others will comment.

If you're going to move things over "manually", I suggest you do so a little at a time.
That is... get documents moved, then work on music, then pics, etc.

Best of luck on the Mac experience!
Thanks. But I stream music on Apple Music and my pics are already on iCloud. I really don't have anything to move over other than documents which are already on an external HDD.
 

Squidy666

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The Magic Mouse is trash. Absolute trash.

In regards to lack of gaming its what I actually love about macOS (well, one of the main things), the fact I can't game easily means I'm getting far more productive stuff done like video editing and audio creation.

It's a bit of a learning curve, but once you get used to it it's hard to go back to Windows. I've got a gaming PC I built 2 years ago and... I have barely touched it.
 
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The Magic Mouse is trash. Absolute trash.

In regards to lack of gaming its what I actually love about macOS (well, one of the main things), the fact I can't game easily means I'm getting far more productive stuff done like video editing and audio creation.

It's a bit of a learning curve, but once you get used to it it's hard to go back to Windows. I've got a gaming PC I built 2 years ago and... I have barely touched it.
What mouse do you recommend for use with macOS?
 

VivienM

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The Magic Mouse is trash. Absolute trash.
I've used the Magic Mouse that came with my iMac - what's so wrong with it? (I actually kinda want a magic touchpad instead, but my entire iMac adventure was done on the cheap and I don't want to spend 2x$170CAD on the keyboard with the numeric pad and the magic touchpad)

Arguably a high end Microsoft (RIP - they discontinued all their peripherals) or Logitech mouse is nicer, sure, but it doesn't have the gesture abilities. But... if you want to compare it with the mouse that Dell or HP throws in with their desktop machines, I'm sure the Magic Mouse is a lot nicer...

(And yes, I know about the charging port design. If you think that makes a peripheral trash, you clearly haven't seen what HP/Dell/Lenovo/etc bundle with their desktop machines...)
 

MisterSavage

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I use the magic mouse every day. The only thing I don't like about it is how you can't use it while you're charging it.
 

iHorseHead

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It’s horrible-mine is in a drawer somewhere never to be used.
Unfortunately I agree with this one. My $10 mouse even feels better and works better than Magic Mouse and is more ergonomic. I regret buying a Magic Mouse and I haven't used it in ages.
 
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