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co.ag.2005

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Now that the iPhone 7/Plus have caught up to Samsung in terms of camera, it makes the camera all the more important to nail on the Pixel phones. If the camera can't compete out of the gate with the likes of Samsung and Apple, then this device stands zero chance at "competing."

And one of my biggest gripes with the latest Nexus cameras is the shutter lag. Whether it's a hardware or Google Camera App issue, I hate how long it takes to snap a couple of quick picks on my 6p. Yes, there's burst mode but I don't like using it that much. I just want to snap 2-3 pics back to back of my baby girl who moves very quickly. On my iPhone, it takes the pics fast enough to not get blur with her moving. Otherwise, my 6p takes amazing pics. just not very quickly. And then turn on HDR Auto or HDR+ and watch paint dry as it tries to capture and process...
 
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Samsung has been the iPhone competitor for years. And they are wildly popular, so for Google to start unifying things now is a bit late, frankly. They won't be able to match Samsung's hardware for at least 2-3 years I reckon.

BUT the part about competitors getting annoyed with Google - who cares? You lot have had YEARS to get your houses in order. Yes, hardware wise many have done a great job...

But software? Well, if Google wants to step in now and unify the Android experience on a wider scale, then it's about damn time.
 

epicrayban

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It's not so much that Samsung and Apple offer great camera experiences, it's more if Google want to charge a similar premium for the pleasure of using their pixel devices that they should offer same quality for the pricing value'..

Agree. In order for Google to compete with the Pixel phones at those rumored premium prices, they have to, in my opinion, hit three key areas: camera, design, screen.

Without these three things at least on par with the competition, I won't even consider it. If they can, however, I'll consider whether it's worth trading in my S7E's waterproofing, expandable storage, and wireless charging for an unlocked, cleaner OS, and prompt security/software updates. It might very well be worth it, but they gotta nail those three things first in my book.
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And one of my biggest gripes with the latest Nexus cameras is the shutter lag. Whether it's a hardware or Google Camera App issue, I hate how long it takes to snap a couple of quick picks on my 6p. Yes, there's burst mode but I don't like using it that much. I just want to snap 2-3 pics back to back of my baby girl who moves very quickly. On my iPhone, it takes the pics fast enough to not get blur with her moving. Otherwise, my 6p takes amazing pics. just not very quickly. And then turn on HDR Auto or HDR+ and watch paint dry as it tries to capture and process...


I'll add that the S7 Edge camera experience is the best I've ever used. Notice I said "experience." Because it's not only the camera quality itself, but it's the overall reliability, ease of use, and helpful features. Double tap to launch, for example, is easily the smartest and fastest way to launch a camera on any phone. It's always there, always ready, and when you execute it, it launches within a split second. And then, as you mention, the importance of auto-focus and shutter speed means you simply don't miss any shots. There's more I won't get into, but the S7E camera experience is absolutely top notch.

The Pixel phone must be able to reproduce these same camera experiences we have with our Apple and Samsung devices.
 

co.ag.2005

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Agree. In order for Google to compete with the Pixel phones at those rumored premium prices, they have to, in my opinion, hit three key areas: camera, design, screen.

Without these three things at least on par with the competition, I won't even consider it. If they can, however, I'll consider whether it's worth trading in my S7E's waterproofing, expandable storage, and wireless charging for an unlocked, cleaner OS, and prompt security/software updates. It might very well be worth it, but they gotta nail those three things first in my book.
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I'll add that the S7 Edge camera experience is the best I've ever used. Notice I said "experience." Because it's not only the camera quality itself, but it's the overall reliability, ease of use, and helpful features. Double tap to launch, for example, is easily the smartest and fastest way to launch a camera on any phone. It's always there, always ready, and when you execute it, it launches within a split second. And then, as you mention, the importance of auto-focus and shutter speed means you simply don't miss any shots. There's more I won't get into, but the S7E camera experience is absolutely top notch.

The Pixel phone must be able to reproduce these same camera experiences we have with our Apple and Samsung devices.

Agreed. That's what I experienced with my Galaxy S6. I haven't experienced that to date on any Nexus device (and many other Android OEM devices as well).
 
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LIVEFRMNYC

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^ Apple is the only one that balances those three the best. Not Google and Samsung.

Hardware - Samsung
Software - Apple
Services (apps) - Google

Which company has been the most important company throughout Android's history? Google or Samsung?

If you can answer it, then you will know how I feel with a Google-branded phone. No retail store infrastructure. No marketing budget. No third-party accessories. No aftercare services. Nomore MVP. No thanks.

Google's Most Valuable Partner = Samsung

Google is my favorite service company and they have my favorite ecosystem. Good at services and software. Weak at hardware. Needs a partner to help them. Where is the Google retail stores? Xiaomi tried living off online flash sales. Two years ago, they were #1 in China. Now OPPO is #1. You can order Xiaomi products online and nobody wants them if they can't see it and has no marketing. Look at Amazon Fire phone as well. Consumers need to see ads. They need to see the products first. If they have issues, they can go to a store and get it fixed.

If Samsung decides to leave Android, the impact will be similar to LeBron James (Samsung endorser) leaving Cleveland in 2010 and Miami in 2014. Those teams sucked or went to mediocrity once he left. Blame Samsung's own custom software for ruining Android's reputation and being pigeonholed as laggy. But Samsung contributed the most to Android's current 86% marketshare now. Moreso than Motorola, HTC, LG, Sony, Huawei, Xiaomi, OPPO, and Google themselves.

Samsung is the only OEM that can control their fate and make their phones completely in-house. They are the least one-trick pony when it comes to several industries beyond computing. Apple and Google still need their partners and Samsung is usually one of them.

Prediction if Samsung leaves Android -
Android - 50%
Tizen - 30%
iOS - 20%

Especially if Tizen is compatible to Android apps. I don't think Samsung wants Google to live off them anymore and plans to cut ties with Qualcomm soon. A Tizen-based Exynos Samsung could very well happen in a few years.


Well said, totally agree.
 

mi7chy

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Like Microsoft with Windows Phone it's too little too late for Google to do anything drastic when the smartphone market feels like it's hitting full maturity and will soon become second place to wearables like the Gear S3 Frontier that can replace the core functions of a smartphone.
 

epicrayban

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Will the two rumored Google smartwatches be Pixel watches? "Pixel Wear."

Perhaps we'll see...

Pixel
Pixel XL
Pixel Wear
Pixel Wear XL
 
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Lloydbm41

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Hardware
Software
Services

^ Apple is the only one that balances those three the best. Not Google and Samsung.

Hardware - Samsung
Software - Apple
Services (apps) - Google

Which company has been the most important company throughout Android's history? Google or Samsung?

If you can answer it, then you will know how I feel with a Google-branded phone. No retail store infrastructure. No marketing budget. No third-party accessories. No aftercare services. Nomore MVP. No thanks.

Google's Most Valuable Partner = Samsung

Google is my favorite service company and they have my favorite ecosystem. Good at services and software. Weak at hardware. Needs a partner to help them. Where is the Google retail stores? Xiaomi tried living off online flash sales. Two years ago, they were #1 in China. Now OPPO is #1. You can order Xiaomi products online and nobody wants them if they can't see it and has no marketing. Look at Amazon Fire phone as well. Consumers need to see ads. They need to see the products first. If they have issues, they can go to a store and get it fixed.

If Samsung decides to leave Android, the impact will be similar to LeBron James (Samsung endorser) leaving Cleveland in 2010 and Miami in 2014. Those teams sucked or went to mediocrity once he left. Blame Samsung's own custom software for ruining Android's reputation and being pigeonholed as laggy. But Samsung contributed the most to Android's current 86% marketshare now. Moreso than Motorola, HTC, LG, Sony, Huawei, Xiaomi, OPPO, and Google themselves.

Samsung is the only OEM that can control their fate and make their phones completely in-house. They are the least one-trick pony when it comes to several industries beyond computing. Apple and Google still need their partners and Samsung is usually one of them.

Prediction if Samsung leaves Android -
Android - 50%
Tizen - 30%
iOS - 20%

Especially if Tizen is compatible to Android apps. I don't think Samsung wants Google to live off them anymore and plans to cut ties with Qualcomm soon. A Tizen-based Exynos Samsung could very well happen in a few years.
Actually, I see things a bit differently. Google has expressed great interest in moving to Apples open source Swift language for apps. If they can rewrite the Android OS using Swift instead of Java for the Pixel line exclusively, every single iOS app can easily be ported to Pixel phones.This could leave Google in a position to design hardware, software and services into a single platform, without hurting Android OS via AOSP. This would allow all OEM's to use Android as they please, like things are now now but without the huge licencing fees for GAPPS, AND more importantly limit any litigation by Russia or the EU against Google and Android.
With Google creating it's own independent OS, services and phone a la Apple, there would be no need to continue litigating and the Android division would be independent and therefore unbiased in the view of the OEM's they service. Kind of a win/win for everyone.

By the way, Tizen is not a viable option for any other OEM but Samsung. The service apps are horrible. As a developer for the Gear S2, I can tell you with 100% certainty, that their SDK's are some of the worst I have ever seen. And they take forever to update their SDK's to do even the most basic of concepts. They QA rigs to test code is complete garbage. It became so frustrating to use I quit.
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Will the two rumored Google smartwatches be Pixel watches? "Pixel Wear."

Perhaps we'll see...

Pixel
Pixel XL
Pixel Wear
Pixel Wear XL
I think Pixel 8 should be copyrighted right now!!!! In 7 years it could be worth a lot of money. LOL
 

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If Samsung ditches 3.5mm (can hear all the Apple fans screaming copycat), I can see everyone go proprietary...

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...t-be-next-to-ditch-the-headphone-jack-1328484

Samsung goes Tizen and ditches Qualcomm
Huawei creates their own OS
Google shuts off Samsung and Huawei
Google stops making apps for Apple
Google brands their own phones

Let everyone make everything for themselves. Less dependency. The #1 and #2 Android OEM can survive on their own. They make their own components. Apple and Google need partners.

I really don't mind seeing Samsung completely go rogue on Android and breaks any partnership with Apple. As much as I enjoy Android right now, I won't miss it. I'm not really entrenched in the Google "ecosystem." Plenty of them are bloat. You can still use YouTube, Gmail, and Maps on any mobile browser and their apps are still found on iOS.

I can be OS agnostic if I want to be with a drop of a hat. Okay, what about the apps? Look at Windows Phone, right? Many people only need a certain amount of the essentials. Nobody has time scouring over 1M apps. The mobile industry is starting to become like the video game console industry where it becomes closed off. You can't play an Xbox One game on a PS4 and such.

Google is a great service company but I want to see if they can survive on their own without an OEM helping them. Create a retail store infrastructure. Google has depended on OEMs for far too long. Nothing last forever. Samsung goes Tizen and breaks away making Qualcomm chips. Huawei makes their own OS. Every man for themselves!
 

burgman

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And one of my biggest gripes with the latest Nexus cameras is the shutter lag. Whether it's a hardware or Google Camera App issue, I hate how long it takes to snap a couple of quick picks on my 6p. Yes, there's burst mode but I don't like using it that much. I just want to snap 2-3 pics back to back of my baby girl who moves very quickly. On my iPhone, it takes the pics fast enough to not get blur with her moving. Otherwise, my 6p takes amazing pics. just not very quickly. And then turn on HDR Auto or HDR+ and watch paint dry as it tries to capture and process...
That describes the difference between Nexus and Apple/Samsung phones. Google relies on giant cloud servers to process photos in the photo app vs Apple/Samsung have killer hardware that does processing in the phone.
 

mclld

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What??? I find it hard to believe that photo processing on the phone is done via cloud with every pic, sound like bs
 

Oohara

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Agree. In order for Google to compete with the Pixel phones at those rumored premium prices, they have to, in my opinion, hit three key areas: camera, design, screen.

Without these three things at least on par with the competition, I won't even consider it. If they can, however, I'll consider whether it's worth trading in my S7E's waterproofing, expandable storage, and wireless charging for an unlocked, cleaner OS, and prompt security/software updates. It might very well be worth it, but they gotta nail those three things first in my book.
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Yes, the design aspect simply cannot be ignored at the premium price level. If the Pixel phones come out looking anything even remotely like the leaks we've seen so far, the whole rest of the discussion is moot - they will simply faceplant the second they step in the door.
 
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spinedoc77

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Yes, the design aspect simply cannot be ignored at the premium price level. If the Pixel phones come out looking anything even remotely like the leaks we've seen so far, the whole rest of the discussion is moot - they will simply faceplant the second they step in the door.

That's the issue, the Google phones will be no different than the Nexus lines. Phones compromised in order to be cheaper priced. Google needs to just sell incredible hardware at a loss. They can easily recoup that loss with their advertising. Besides it's not like it's a choice, it's a must. We are starting to see a huge influx of "cheap" flagship quality phones and there is no way anyone else (except Apple and mayyybbee Samsung) will survive selling $900 flagships anymore. Apple will because people pay that premium, Samsung might because they will introduce new tech such as foldable screens. Otherwise everyone is completely dead in the water.

IMO Google needs to release a true flagship at $599, a mid tier and a cheapie can also be different models to satisfy everyone. This way they undercut Apple/Samsung significantly, but even losing money they make it up in advertising, unlike Samsung or Apple. To sell the crack you first have to give out free samples.
 
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MRU

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That's the issue, the Google phones will be no different than the Nexus lines. Phones compromised in order to be cheaper priced. Google needs to just sell incredible hardware at a loss. They can easily recoup that loss with their advertising. Besides it's not like it's a choice, it's a must. We are starting to see a huge influx of "cheap" flagship quality phones and there is no way anyone else (except Apple and mayyybbee Samsung) will survive selling $900 flagships anymore. Apple will because people pay that premium, Samsung might because they will introduce new tech such as foldable screens. Otherwise everyone is completely dead in the water.

IMO Google needs to release a true flagship at $599, a mid tier and a cheapie can also be different models to satisfy everyone. This way they undercut Apple/Samsung significantly, but even losing money they make it up in advertising, unlike Samsung or Apple. To sell the crack you first have to give out free samples.

Sadly Google have already reached near the Samsung / Apple pricing structure here. (Ok not apple pricing, that's become an utter joke) ...

The Nexus 5X was €479 for 16gb when it launched here and the 6p €649 for 32gb. ($540 and €750 respectively)

If rumours of price increase in USA are true then they may be even more pricey here €499/549 for the smaller and €699/749 for the bigger. I hope I am wrong - but at those prices and without carrier subsidies or regular availability in stores it will be a major challenge to get regular consumers to jump on board.
 

spinedoc77

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Sadly Google have already reached near the Samsung / Apple pricing structure here. (Ok not apple pricing, that's become an utter joke) ...

The Nexus 5X was €479 for 16gb when it launched here and the 6p €649 for 32gb. ($540 and €750 respectively)

If rumours of price increase in USA are true then they may be even more pricey here €499/549 for the smaller and €699/749 for the bigger. I hope I am wrong - but at those prices and without carrier subsidies or regular availability in stores it will be a major challenge to get regular consumers to jump on board.
It's not unfathomable for Google to become the Apple of Android. But it goes against their business plan of valuing eyeballs more than hardware profits. I would still pay a premium for a true google flagship, but I'm not sure that would be the most lucrative move long term for them. The 6p while a solid, if flawed phone didn't exactly set the world on fire.
 
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Vegastouch

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Wasn't this the same sentiment that the Nexus line was started as?
No, the Nexus line was always a develepers phone and why it didnt have the best specs and was cheaper but now raising their prices, just no way it competes.
In anycase, its dumb to call any new phone an iPhone competitor. The iPhone is what it is...a popular phone and it is gonna sell no matter what they do or not do to it. People just like the Apple name, particularly the younger crowd.

The Galaxy phones will be the closest thing to an iPhone competitor if you want to call them that. Nexus will never come even remotely close. And in the end, who really cares about an iPhone competitor. Apple competes against itself with not giving things to the people but they will still do well.
 

NT1440

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No, the Nexus line was always a develepers phone and why it didnt have the best specs. In anycase, its dumb to call any new phone an iPhone competitor. The iPhone is what it is...a popular phone and it is gonna sell no matter what they do or not do to it. People just like the Apple name, particularly the younger crowd.

The Galaxy phones will be the closest thing to an iPhone competitor if you want to call them that. Nexus will never come even remotely close. And in the end, who really cares about an iPhone competitor. Apple competes against itself with not giving things to the people but they will still do well.
Ah, I wasn't aware of the developer origins of the Nexus line. Thanks for the info
 

Tig Bitties

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I guess why even try to be something like the iPhone ? IMO the iPhone blows, and I loathe and hate iOS with a passion. I don't understand the iPhone love fest, to me it's just a generic looking phone, with the same lame design year after year, and is outrageously overpriced and way overhyped, and runs a simple near Dumbphone not smartphone OS. I honestly don't get it.

To me stock vanilla Android is where it's at. "It just works"

And Touchwiz, LOL I despise that more than iOS, because I don't see the need for a different UI over stock Android, and all the stupid duplicate apps Samsung makes, when Google already has them.
 

Vegastouch

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I guess why even try to be something like the iPhone ? IMO the iPhone blows, and I loathe and hate iOS with a passion. I don't understand the iPhone love fest, to me it's just a generic looking phone, with the same lame design year after year, and is outrageously overpriced and way overhyped, and runs a simple near Dumbphone not smartphone OS. I honestly don't get it.

To me stock vanilla Android is where it's at. "It just works"

And Touchwiz, LOL I despise that more than iOS, because I don't see the need for a different UI over stock Android, and all the stupid duplicate apps Samsung makes, when Google already has them.
Good for you. Do what you like but it is just your opinion. I dont care for stock Android myself but it is better than iOS.....IMO.
 

tbayrgs

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I guess why even try to be something like the iPhone ? IMO the iPhone blows, and I loathe and hate iOS with a passion. I don't understand the iPhone love fest, to me it's just a generic looking phone, with the same lame design year after year, and is outrageously overpriced and way overhyped, and runs a simple near Dumbphone not smartphone OS. I honestly don't get it.

To me stock vanilla Android is where it's at. "It just works"

And Touchwiz, LOL I despise that more than iOS, because I don't see the need for a different UI over stock Android, and all the stupid duplicate apps Samsung makes, when Google already has them.

To play devil's advocate for just a moment (re: not necessarily my views, just the other side of the coin):

- There is something to be said about utilizing a design for more than 1 year. Is many cases (not literal 'cases' ;)), it means accessories (i.e. docks) work for longer than one year. And considering most people don't upgrade every year, they're only seeing that external design once (well, until maybe this year with the 7 :rolleyes:)

- In much the same vane, many people like consistency. They like knowing that when they get their new phone, it's going to work, with a few exceptions, in pretty much the same way their old one did. Many consumers see their phone simply as a tool they use daily and they don't want much obstacle to using that phone--they want to be able to pick it up and just keep going. For example, someone who has the Note 7 is seeing a fairly different experience than they have on the Note 4, or even the Note 5, a one year old phone. Conversely, someone just switching from an iPhone 5s or 6 will turn their new 7 on to see what they were just using. That's comforting for a great many consumers, like my wife, sister, brother-in-law, or parents. They don't see tech as the hobby most of us here do and that familiarity is very welcome.

- The complexity of functions you find appealing on Android vs. iPhone is lost on many people. They want their phone to be able to make/take calls, message, take some photos to share via social apps, read email, check a website. They don't care about things like picking different default apps, file managers, sharing intents, using a mouse with their phone, etc. The iPhone is more than capable at the overwelming majority of what people use their phones for, even doing some of these exceptionally well.

- The ecosystem surrounding the iPhone is second to none (and I'm not necessarily talking about the Apple ecosystem). No phone has more available or easily accessible accessories, cases, etc. My experience is of course anecdotal but I've found most people that use an iPhone also have many/most of their friends and family also using iPhones. This makes using it far easier. When you're not sure how to do something, your friend or family member can help. It happens to me all the time---just happened last night at my son's basketball practice when another parent saw me using my iPhone and asked me how to do something. There are far more Android phones in the world be there are so many different varieties--there is no more common single phone than the iPhone, at least in the US.

Just a few thoughts, observations. I don't think your preferences are typical of most common smartphone customers and consequently you are clearly not Apple's target customer--thus why you have no attraction to the iPhone.
 

Tig Bitties

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Good for you. Do what you like but it is just your opinion. I dont care for stock Android myself but it is better than iOS.....IMO.

With Android 7.0 Google finally has a lot of features that Touchwiz has had for years. But I never run stock anyways on my Nexus. I only run custom ROM's which have even more additional useful features than stock, and also give me much better battery life, and even smoother faster performance.
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To play devil's advocate for just a moment (re: not necessarily my views, just the other side of the coin):

- There is something to be said about utilizing a design for more than 1 year. Is many cases (not literal 'cases' ;)), it means accessories (i.e. docks) work for longer than one year. And considering most people don't upgrade every year, they're only seeing that external design once (well, until maybe this year with the 7 :rolleyes:)

- In much the same vane, many people like consistency. They like knowing that when they get their new phone, it's going to work, with a few exceptions, in pretty much the same way their old one did. Many consumers see their phone simply as a tool they use daily and they don't want much obstacle to using that phone--they want to be able to pick it up and just keep going. For example, someone who has the Note 7 is seeing a fairly different experience than they have on the Note 4, or even the Note 5, a one year old phone. Conversely, someone just switching from an iPhone 5s or 6 will turn their new 7 on to see what they were just using. That's comforting for a great many consumers, like my wife, sister, brother-in-law, or parents. They don't see tech as the hobby most of us here do and that familiarity is very welcome.

- The complexity of functions you find appealing on Android vs. iPhone is lost on many people. They want their phone to be able to make/take calls, message, take some photos to share via social apps, read email, check a website. They don't care about things like picking different default apps, file managers, sharing intents, using a mouse with their phone, etc. The iPhone is more than capable at the overwelming majority of what people use their phones for, even doing some of these exceptionally well.

- The ecosystem surrounding the iPhone is second to none (and I'm not necessarily talking about the Apple ecosystem). No phone has more available or easily accessible accessories, cases, etc. My experience is of course anecdotal but I've found most people that use an iPhone also have many/most of their friends and family also using iPhones. This makes using it far easier. When you're not sure how to do something, your friend or family member can help. It happens to me all the time---just happened last night at my son's basketball practice when another parent saw me using my iPhone and asked me how to do something. There are far more Android phones in the world be there are so many different varieties--there is no more common single phone than the iPhone, at least in the US.

Just a few thoughts, observations. I don't think your preferences are typical of most common smartphone customers and consequently you are clearly not Apple's target customer--thus why you have no attraction to the iPhone.


Excellent post, and well put. It boils down to "Different strokes, for different folks". I get that the iPhone is designed for the grandparent crowd and young teens, it's a simple phone.

I dislike generic and simple, and boring. And same as before. To me that's a major turnoff. But to the vast majority of smartphone users they need that, and I understand I fall into that 1% of smartphone nerd.

But a lot of what you said works just as well and hassle free on a Android phone. My Wife is so not a tech geek whatsoever, and I get her a new phone ever year, and she adjusts to it pretty quickly without any real issue. She's had Galaxy phones, Nexus phones, HTC phones, etc... She can just pick it up, and make a call easily, or do a video chat easily with Duo, and text and e-mail with ease. Android, "it just works".
 
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With Android 7.0 Google finally has a lot of features that Touchwiz has had for years. But I never run stock anyways on my Nexus. I only run custom ROM's which have even more additional useful features than stock, and also give me much better battery life, and even smoother faster performance.
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Excellent post, and well put. It boils down to "Different strokes, for different folks". I get that the iPhone is designed for the grandparent crowd and young teens, it's a simple phone.

I dislike generic and simple, and boring. And same as before. To me that's a major turnoff. But to the vast majority of smartphone users they need that, and I understand I fall into that 1% of smartphone nerd.

But a lot of what you said works just as well and hassle free on a Android phone. My Wife is so not a tech geek whatsoever, and I get her a new phone ever year, and she adjusts to it pretty quickly without any real issue. She's had Galaxy phones, Nexus phones, HTC phones, etc... She can just pick it up, and make a call easily, or do a video chat easily with Duo, and text and e-mail with ease. Android, "it just works".
Ijused to run custom ROMs. Dont anymore. Donty feel i need to. Still, i fly......Nexus isnt recognised on airlines so i cant use it on a plane. Not sure all of what pure Android has now that TW does for instance, but im not interested in going back to a pure Android device yet. I havent even been following them cause last time they only brought out huge phones that i dont want and the cost went way up like the other phones so why wouldnt i just get a Samsung and its features that i like?
 

tbayrgs

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But a lot of what you said works just as well and hassle free on a Android phone. My Wife is so not a tech geek whatsoever, and I get her a new phone ever year, and she adjusts to it pretty quickly without any real issue. She's had Galaxy phones, Nexus phones, HTC phones, etc... She can just pick it up, and make a call easily, or do a video chat easily with Duo, and text and e-mail with ease. Android, "it just works".

And to be clear, I'm not claiming my previous observations apply to everyone, nor that Android is difficult to use out of the box. I just see a lot of what I previously mentioned in my everyday life (and to clarify, I'm a middle aged guy with younger kids in boring suburbia, interacting regularly with other similar families at my kids school and mostly business people and professionals, so that's obviously skewing my perception). The overwelming majority of phones I see daily in these interactions are iPhones. Most (;)) of these people are intelligent and while I like to see aspects of my life I can improve with my tech, for them, a smartphone is a daily tool that they don't want to get in their way. When they replace their iPhone after 2 or 3 years, they turn it on, restore it and it does exactly what their old one did an hour ago--and that's exactly what they want. That rarely is the case using Android since even the next iteration of a Galaxy phone can look quite different, much less if you came from a Moto, LG, or HTC. Hell, most are amazed when they ask me to email or message something to them, a file or photo, and I show them how it can be done in a few seconds with AirDrop---they didn't even know if was there.

Again, not saying this is representative of everyone but there are an awful lot of people for whom even the iPhone is under utilized, and i wouldn't just classify them as teens and grandparents. :D
 

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And to be clear, I'm not claiming my previous observations apply to everyone, nor that Android is difficult to use out of the box. I just see a lot of what I previously mentioned in my everyday life (and to clarify, I'm a middle aged guy with younger kids in boring suburbia, interacting regularly with other similar families at my kids school and mostly business people and professionals, so that's obviously skewing my perception). The overwelming majority of phones I see daily in these interactions are iPhones. Most (;)) of these people are intelligent and while I like to see aspects of my life I can improve with my tech, for them, a smartphone is a daily tool that they don't want to get in their way. When they replace their iPhone after 2 or 3 years, they turn it on, restore it and it does exactly what their old one did an hour ago--and that's exactly what they want. That rarely is the case using Android since even the next iteration of a Galaxy phone can look quite different, much less if you came from a Moto, LG, or HTC. Hell, most are amazed when they ask me to email or message something to them, a file or photo, and I show them how it can be done in a few seconds with AirDrop---they didn't even know if was there.

Again, not saying this is representative of everyone but there are an awful lot of people for whom even the iPhone is under utilized, and i wouldn't just classify them as teens and grandparents. :D

Good points. My observations are similar;

I'm 43 yrs old, two young grade school age kids in Catholic school, and I am the sales mngr at a high end Millwork + Window shop, dealing with very expensive custom home builders, and dealing with their homeowners. These are people spending $1.5 million on a cheap starter home, and most homes selling in that $3 million range, on a tiny city sized lot. They all drive pretty much the same 3 vehicles; the super high end $150k Range Rover, or the $125k+ Porsche Panorama, or the Tesla.

Anyways with the homeowners I deal with, the ones buying the cheaper $1.5 million homes up to maybe the $2 mil homes all have brand new iPhone's, and they are the typical trophy wife type women, and polo shirt wearing guys. But the guy with the real big bucks, buying the ultra high end $4 million dollar and up homes, with them I see old iPhones, or old Galaxy phones, never a brand new phone. And they don't dress as nice as the ones buying the $1.5 mil dollar home.

Seems like the ones doing the $1.5 to $2 mil dollar homes, are trying to prove they are rich and have money, and show offs, and get all dolled up. Whereas the guys that are truly filthy rich building $5 million dollar homes, they dress differently more low key, not show offs at all, and not prettied up.

At my kids school I would say it's 60/40 iPhone's to Galaxy phones, maybe an LG phone a little bit, and maybe an HTC, but never a Nexus.
 
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